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The Assault Rifle Does it Again[W:265, 507]

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Deuce said:
Sure. But doesn't pretty much anything create a problem for the general public, to some degree? Assault rifles kill fewer people per year than vending machines, best as I can tell. So what's the standard?
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Good question....now will jet give us an answer?
 
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jet57 said:
We're not talking about punishing anybody except innocent people trying to go about their day, but instead getting gunned down by a guy with an AR and over 200 rounds.

That's the topic. Now - what about the topic?
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What good is discussing the topic if you are going to be so blatantly dishonest?
 
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"Spraying bullets"

Oh, Puffington, your subtle attempts to deceive are so cute. One can no more "spray bullets" with an AR-15 than with a pistol.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
I don't see very many articles about AR-15s being used in crime. It's not very reasonable to ban the use of a certain gun just because it COULD be used to commit crimes, when it historically hasn't been used for that purpose.
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Jet wants to ban lots of different types of guns. He doesn't have any rational reason for wanting to do so-rather he said "we should ban semi auto rifles and normal capacity magazines" to see if it does anything. Its not even an assault rifle but then again, honesty is something in short supply in gun banner posts.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Police are allowed to use AR-15's against citizens, why shouldn't citizens be able to defend themselves with a AR-15? I can think of a couple dozen conventional old fashion wood stock hunting rifles that can be converted within a few hours............... and do a hell of a lot more damage than some .223 or 5.56 rounds.
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gun banners don't really know much about guns. They don't understand that a 30-06 deer rifle is far more lethal than the round the .223 or 5.56mm rounds normally shot out of scary looking rifles. Gun banners don't study guns, learn about their uses and then decide that such weapons are not suitable for civilians to own (well civilians who don't work for the government). They start with the premise that serious gun owners aren't left wing voters and the NRA doesn't support left wing politicians. that is what motivates their anti gun hysterics.
 
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Goshin said:
Literally, more murders are committed with bludgeoning weapons or knives than rifles of any kind, including AR's.
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if Jet and other gun banners thought most owners of bludgeons or knives voted GOP and that the club and knife lobbying groups opposed mainly Democrat politicians-they'd be clamoring for bans on impact and edged weapons too
 
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jet57 said:
Denial noted.

None of those people would have been injured if the guy had a billy club.

The man got off 212 rounds. When was the last time 212 bludgeonings took place? 'bout - what, 1413 A.D.? Something like that?

How about an answer to the point rather than a run-around.
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This shows how stupid your argument is. You make a claim that Non one would have been injured if the guy DID NOT have the rifle. all well and good assuming he didn't have say a shotgun or a IED. But nothing you have ever suggested and no law ever passed can guarantee that he wouldn't have a rifle or a handgun or a bomb. All you stupid laws can do is to disarm lots of good people which-based on the posts you have made in the past-is your real goal anyway
 
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MickeyW said:
Don't know but all the more reason for law abiding folks to have their own.....because......................the police CANNOT protect you...they never could. Police protection is an oxymoron.

I count 10 holes.......a guy could do that with many types of guns.

Do you really think making them illegal will get them off the street and prevent gangs from acquiring them? Hilariously asinine! :roll:
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The goal is to disarm honest people. Just read the posts he has made. Its all about disarming people who don't vote the way he wants
 
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jet57 said:
So people with 100s of rounds of ammo and four or five 30 round clips out hunting innocents and killing and maiming them is not a problem.
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the real problem is dishonest gun banners who want to ban millions of rifles because less than one tenth of one percent are ever misused when you gun banners know damn well that the people LEAST likely to be impacted by the ban are the same people least likely to obey laws against say spraying cars with gun fire
 
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jet57 said:
Here, read this AR-15: the gun that keeps being used in mass shootings | Fusion
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the article starts with a lie-written by someone who has absolutely no expertise in the area

sort of like many of your posts Jet


From the article you cite

One of the guns used to kill 14 people in San Bernardino, CA this past week has also been used in mass shooting after mass shooting in recent years.

well it wasn't used in Columbine

wasn't used in VT

wasn't used by the guy who shot Gabby Giffords

wasn't used in the Luby's texas massacre

wasn't used in the Black Church massacre

wasn't used in the fort hood massacre

wasn't used in the Huberty/San Ysidro shooting

nor in the Texas tower shooting almost 50 years ago

wasn't used in the Edmond Oklahoma massacre where 14 were killed when a USPS employee "went postal"

we had Newtown, the Aurora theater shooting and San Bernadino (where the gun was not legal to own in the state) and a few others with AR 15s but most of the mass shootings have involved Handguns including the one where the most people were killed-VT
 
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Deuce said:
Sure. But doesn't pretty much anything create a problem for the general public, to some degree? Assault rifles kill fewer people per year than vending machines, best as I can tell. So what's the standard?
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His standard of course....
 
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jet57 said:
We're not talking about punishing anybody except innocent people trying to go about their day, but instead getting gunned down by a guy with an AR and over 200 rounds.

That's the topic. Now - what about the topic?
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what stupidity-you want to ban millions upon millions of us from being able to keep or own those rifles that cause such incontinence among gun haters-in the specious desire that such actions will stop someone who intends to commit first degree felonies
 
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BretJ said:
His standard of course....
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LOL, his standard is to throw out some nonsense and then hope someone who doesn't understand that topic might demand a politician ban the things, can anyone tell me why someone who would engage in the crime of spraying rifle fire at other individuals in violation of DOZENS of laws is going to obey a gun law?
 
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jet57 said:
So people with 100s of rounds of ammo and four or five 30 round clips out hunting innocents and killing and maiming them is not a problem.
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It is a problem, but since only a few people out of hundreds of millions seem to be doing so, it isn't worth banning one of the most popular rifles in tge country to do absolutely nothing because nutjobs will just find another gun to use. And as its already been explained, there are a lot of guns that are far more dangerous than an AR-15.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
I only saw four incidents in that source. I even checked the source's source, and only found four.
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what do you expect? Bannerrhoid articles lie all the time. The most horrendous active shooting in history was VA tech-perpetrated with mainly 10 round handgun fire. The other real big body counts included Luby's of Texas-handguns.

Here are the top ten

VT-handgun

Sandy Hook-AR 15

Luby's Handgun

HUberty-San Ysidro-used a Uzi carbine, pump shotgun and a handgun

Whitman-Austin Texas Tower-mainly a bolt action rifle

San Bernadino-AR 15 (Illegal to own in California)

Edmond Oklahoma-Postal worker kills 14 (Same as San Bernadino) with handguns

Fort hood-Handguns used in slaying of 13

Binghamton NY 13 killed by Jiverly Wong at an immigrant community center Handgun

Columbine-Handguns=
 
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Fledermaus said:
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd how many hit?
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At least 6. So, a guy with over 200 rounds and seven 30 round clips for his AR, running around the streets shooting at people doesn't bother you.

No problem at all.
 
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TurtleDude said:
The goal is to disarm honest people. Just read the posts he has made. Its all about disarming people who don't vote the way he wants
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Yep.

TurtleDude said:
the real problem is dishonest gun banners who want to ban millions of rifles because less than one tenth of one percent are ever misused when you gun banners know damn well that the people LEAST likely to be impacted by the ban are the same people least likely to obey laws against say spraying cars with gun fire
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Pretty stupid of them isn't it.

TurtleDude said:
what stupidity-you want to ban millions upon millions of us from being able to keep or own those rifles that cause such incontinence among gun haters-in the specious desire that such actions will stop someone who intends to commit first degree felonies
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Exactly.

TurtleDude said:
LOL, his standard is to throw out some nonsense and then hope someone who doesn't understand that topic might demand a politician ban the things, can anyone tell me why someone who would engage in the crime of spraying rifle fire at other individuals in violation of DOZENS of laws is going to obey a gun law?
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Just ridiculous.

Jesse Booth said:
It is a problem, but since only a few people out of hundreds of millions seem to be doing so, it isn't worth banning one of the most popular rifles in tge country to do absolutely nothing because nutjobs will just find another gun to use. And as its already been explained, there are a lot of guns that are far more dangerous than an AR-15.
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Not to mention that people can make them at home cheaper than buying them and have no serial number or background check. ;)

Some folks on here would **** a brick, if they actually knew how many people have large collections of ARs and AKs and tens of thousands of rounds of all kinds of ammo.
I know a guy in Az. who has two walk in closet/safes, packed with more guns and ammo than most guns stores have in inventory.

jet57 said:
At least 6. So, a guy with over 200 rounds and seven 30 round clips for his AR, running around the streets shooting at people doesn't bother you.

No problem at all.
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First of all they aren't called clips. Your nomenclature suffers horribly.

It does bother me that there was no civilian with 300 rounds and ten 30 shot magazines.
It also bothers me that a guy with a large dick can be a pedophile and people who work for the government can cheat me out of my savings.

Doesn't that bother you? Because both of those happen daily in America and you have a childish fixation on so called assault rifles that are also defensive rifles, and their use is less than 1% of incidents.

How utterly silly! :roll:
 
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jet57 said:
So denial is all you have to offer.
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The only denial I see going on here is your own willful ignorance, while at the same time, trying to lecture the rest of us about weapon classifications, and the data involved with their use.
 
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jet57 said:
At least 6. So, a guy with over 200 rounds and seven 30 round clips for his AR, running around the streets shooting at people doesn't bother you.

No problem at all.
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So he had a minimum rate of actually hitting his target of about 2%, (with the AR-15) and not one of his shots actually killed anyone. No, I don't feel particularly bothered by this guy running around.
 
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jet57 said:
So, we've all been reading about this latest Huston shooting shooting, and this is exactly why such weapons should not be in the streets:


Houston Shooter Fired 212 Rounds, Outgunned Police With America's Favorite Rifle



Here's what he was able to do to just a cop winshield:

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How many gangs around the country have these things, or Mac 9s etc?
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I am sure its been explained to you before but a AR-15 is not an assault rifle. An assault rifle is a automatic select fire rifle that fires an intermediate size cartridge. An A-15 is a semi-automatic rifle.Which is no different than any other semi-automatic firearm on the market.Meaning one bullet comes out for every trigger squeeze.It is a semi-automatic weapon just like the pistol he used.
 
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jamesrage said:
I am sure its been explained to you before but a AR-15 is not an assault rifle. An assault rifle is a automatic select fire rifle that fires an intermediate size cartridge. An A-15 is a semi-automatic rifle.Which is no different than any other semi-automatic firearm on the market.Meaning one bullet comes out for every trigger squeeze.It is a semi-automatic weapon just like the pistol he used.
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While true it's hardly a distinction most people would find worthwhile. When people are shouting "assault rifles are killing our children!" responding with "that's a carbine!!" isn't exactly compelling, ya know? (yeah yeah select-fire, but again. not the point)
 
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Deuce said:
While true it's hardly a distinction most people would find worthwhile.
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That distinction is worthwhile. The only reason for calling an AR-15 an assault rifle is either out of ignorance or to falsely give the impression that it is a automatic rifle/machine gun ie the same **** the military uses. An AR-15 is neither. To keep calling it an assault rifle after you been educated about the terms means you do not fall into the category of those calling it an assault rifle out of ignorance. It means you fall into the category of those falsely trying give the impression that it is a automatic rifle/machine gun ie the same **** the military uses.


When people are shouting "assault rifles are killing our children!" responding with "that's a carbine!!" isn't exactly compelling, ya know? (yeah yeah select-fire, but again. not the point)
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I don't thin most people would respond with that's a carbine. A carbine is defined as a long firearm but with a shorter barrel than a rife or musket.Many carbines are just shortened versions of full length rifles and fire the same ammunition while others fire the same ammo as pistols. Carbine is a term that applies to single shot, semi-automatic,automatic,revolvers and other types of long guns that are are shorter than full length rifles and muskets.
 
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jamesrage said:
That distinction is worthwhile. The only reason for calling an AR-15 an assault rifle is either out of ignorance or to falsely give the impression that it is a automatic rifle/machine gun ie the same **** the military uses. An AR-15 is neither. To keep calling it an assault rifle after you been educated about the terms means you do not fall into the category of those calling it an assault rifle out of ignorance. It means you fall into the category of those falsely trying give the impression that it is a automatic rifle/machine gun ie the same **** the military uses.




I don't thin most people would respond with that's a carbine. A carbine is defined as a long firearm but with a shorter barrel than a rife or musket.Many carbines are just shortened versions of full length rifles and fire the same ammunition while others fire the same ammo as pistols. Carbine is a term that applies to single shot, semi-automatic,automatic,revolvers and other types of long guns that are are shorter than full length rifles and muskets.
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Yeah you're still not getting it.

People are saying "BIG SCARY RIFLE KILLING OUR KIDS" and you're explaining barrel lengths. This isn't the route you should be taking. I'm aware that an AR-15 isn't actually an assault rifle. I'm trying to explain to you that arguing over terminology isn't changing anyone's mind.
 
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