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Is Obama pro or anti gun rights?

Is Obama pro or anti gun rights?


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There are more rights in this country under threat than our gun rights. I may, for instance, value my privacy rights and my reproductive rights more than my gun rights, and the people who support "my rights" when it comes to guns are usually the ones leading the charge against my religious rights or my bodily autonomy.

And which is the only right that allows citizens the opportunity of enforcing any of the others? I cannot believe I have to explain this to anybody.

Furthermore, I believe rights are meaningless without the means to exercise them, so I have frequently hold my nose and vote for anti-gun candidates on the basis of their economic policies.

That is simply denial of supremacy of the people. Politics would not be on the wild side and citizens wringing their hands if citizens took their duty seriously and that is to reign in politicians and keep them under control. Lets be honest citizens get the government they deserve and beg for by inaction and acceptance. Many are holding their hands out demanding largess instead of a better run country.

None of this is due to a "lack of leadership" or some kind of disdain for my own rights. I hate our political system for this, but sometimes we are forced to choose between candidates who oppose liberty in different ways.

Name one single politician that will give away 1000 votes. If leadership of thousands cannot do that they are abdicating their duty to ensure the continuation of the organisation by ensuring members are aware their rights are important and possibly the most valuable thing they will ever own.

So I ask again what is more important than your rights? The self same rights our forefathers spilt blood to get for us.
 
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true-but what is a gut buster are Hillary or Obama supporters who -rather than say that Gun rights take a back seat in their rankings of important issues behind say abortion, gay marriage, union issues or welfare-socialism-try to pretend that Obama or Hildabeast are not anti gun or are as pro gun as say the GOP alternatives.

I support abortion rights and gay marriage. I readily admit that many candidates I have voted for in the past are neither pro choice nor hospitable to gay rights. Why? because tax and gun rights issues, supreme court nominations and economic freedom are MORE important to me than abortion or gays marrying. I am not going to pretend that say Steve Chabot (my congressman who I strongly support) is pro choice.

Its a common misconception to pretend that there is nothing one can do. That is a function of leadership and one only has to look at the example of gun control, prohibition of alcohol, Hitlers rise to power, Stalin's rise to power, the wholesale slaughter of heretics, witches, Tutsi, Arminians .... how many more must I produce? The fact is this is leaderships job. How long would a labour movement last with the kind of leadership firearm owners have? More than 10 seconds?

When bad laws are discussed it is citizens task to say no and to show they mean it if needed. You don't beg or pay a politician to do what you must do.
 
Name one single politician that will give away 1000 votes. If leadership of thousands cannot do that they are abdicating their duty to ensure the continuation of the organisation by ensuring members are aware their rights are important and possibly the most valuable thing they will ever own.

Idiotic platitudes aside, the simple fact is that neither of the major political parties in this country support our Constitutional rights 100%. That means that when we vote, we have to choose which rights we're going to support and which rights we, unfortunately, cannot support. Gun rights may be my top political issue, but when stacked against all of the other rights that Republicans don't support, that means sometimes gun rights lose. It is neither stupid nor unreasonable to stand for other rights before gun rights, any more than it is to support gun rights at the expense of other rights.

There is no moral superiority in being a one-issue voter. Stop trying to lecture people who do not share your priorities.
 
Its a common misconception to pretend that there is nothing one can do. That is a function of leadership and one only has to look at the example of gun control, prohibition of alcohol, Hitlers rise to power, Stalin's rise to power, the wholesale slaughter of heretics, witches, Tutsi, Arminians .... how many more must I produce? The fact is this is leaderships job. How long would a labour movement last with the kind of leadership firearm owners have? More than 10 seconds?

So what are you going to do now that both major candidates are anti-gun? Where's your "leadership" now?
 
Idiotic platitudes aside, the simple fact is that neither of the major political parties in this country support our Constitutional rights 100%. That means that when we vote, we have to choose which rights we're going to support and which rights we, unfortunately, cannot support. Gun rights may be my top political issue, but when stacked against all of the other rights that Republicans don't support, that means sometimes gun rights lose. It is neither stupid nor unreasonable to stand for other rights before gun rights, any more than it is to support gun rights at the expense of other rights.

There is no moral superiority in being a one-issue voter. Stop trying to lecture people who do not share your priorities.

Good grief if you cannot refute something just say so and I accept you do not have a clue. So go right ahead and prove your idiotic claims. Let us see how well you do at that.

If you don't have anything intelligent to contribute it probably is best not to exbibit abject ignorance, I'll address any claim you can prove.
 
So what are you going to do now that both major candidates are anti-gun? Where's your "leadership" now?

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Is it you contention that an organisation with 100,000 members cannot change or influence political outcomes? That would be patently false. The fact it does not is a problem of LEADERSHIP when the survival of members rights is in the balance.
 
Its both hilarious and a sad testament to the state of education in the USA that 6 posters claim Obama is pro gun rights
 
Its both hilarious and a sad testament to the state of education in the USA that 6 posters claim Obama is pro gun rights

Most of them are dishonest Obama supporting libs. Because using their logic any politician who wants to ban all religions except for one is pro-freedom of religion, anyone who wants to ban all abortion except to save the life to the mother is pro-choice, and anyone who wants to ban all media outlets except for fox news or MSNBC is pro-freedom of the press.
 
Because using their logic any politician who wants to ban all religions except for one is pro-freedom of religion, anyone who wants to ban all abortion except to save the life to the mother is pro-choice...

You're using those as examples of liberal logic, really?
 
You're using those as examples of liberal logic, really?


I am just taking their logic and applying to other issues that you and I know they would be saying the opposite if someone did the same exact thing regarding other issues. For example if a president tried to ban elective abortion while keeping abortion to save the mother's life,tried to pass laws that made elective abortion harder, praised countries where elective abortion is illegal, issued anti-elective abortion executive orders and appointed people who had the same views on abortion to the supreme court and various other position in government. Would any of libs who claim Obama supports gun rights be claiming that pro-life president is really pro-choice? No one in their right mind would say that person is pro-choice. But yet in their mind Obama is still pro-gun despite doing those above things in regard to guns.
 
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Obama is an America hating gun banning swine.
 
Some have claimed that because President Obama has not signed any LEGISLATION restricting gun owners' rights, he is not "anti gun". Others have correctly noted that Mr. Obama was never given a CHANCE to sign such laws but his other actions suggest he is militantly opposed to the rights of gun owners

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Thank God for the GOP !!!

(never thought I would ever hear myself saying that ever !!!)
 
Maybe they have been living under a rock for the past 7 years though ?!

there are two things. There are those who feel a need to support Obama (gays, socialists, union types, libertines who hate the religious right, envious of the rich etc) and want to pretend that their support of that gun banner is not anti gun. its a tough balancing act that some feel a need to do as opposed to many who will admit Obama is a gun banner but support him because they, themselves are anti gun or they don't care about the rights of gun owners or find those rights less important than say abortion, gay marriage, or soak the rich envy based class warfare
 
there are two things. There are those who feel a need to support Obama (gays, socialists, union types, libertines who hate the religious right, envious of the rich etc) and want to pretend that their support of that gun banner is not anti gun. its a tough balancing act that some feel a need to do as opposed to many who will admit Obama is a gun banner but support him because they, themselves are anti gun or they don't care about the rights of gun owners or find those rights less important than say abortion, gay marriage, or soak the rich envy based class warfare

There are lots of different people in the Nation and as many different reasons for supporting BHO versus say Robber Baron Romney or McHale.

I love my guns.

I knew BHO was anti gun.

I also knew he could not do too much to hurt the Constitution or the SCOTUS.

Now things have changed.

Hillary is in a commanding position to kill the SCOTUS with all activist justice nominations. And if the DEMs also win back the Senate she can install them unless Cruz or Rand Paul filibusts for the next 4 years.

Even though Trump is a complete political and diplomatic dumbazz we now must circle the wagons and hold our noses and kiss his ugly azz and vote for him and hope and pray that he can carry enough swing states to win.
 
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There are lots of different people in the Nation and as many different reasons for supporting BHO versus say Robber Baron Romney or McHale.

I love my guns.

I knew BHO was anti gun.

I also knew he could not do too much to hurt the Constitution or the SCOTUS.

Now things have changed.

Hillary is in a commanding position to kill the SCOTUS with all activist justice nominations. And if the DEMs also win back the Senate she can install them unless Cruz or Rand Paul filibusts for the next 4 years.

Even though Trump is a complete political and diplomatic dumbazz we now must circle the wagons and hold our noses and kiss his ugly azz and vote for him and hope and pray that he can carry enough swing states to win.

How was Romney a "robber baron" and who is McHale. It seems as if you voted for Boho. The only McHale I know of is this lady and she's no robber baron though she is fairly well off and will probably marry a really rich guy when she retires from the tour


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How was Romney a "robber baron" and who is McHale. It seems as if you voted for Boho. The only McHale I know of is this lady and she's no robber baron though she is fairly well off and will probably marry a really rich guy when she retires from the tour


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McHale's Navy -- play on words for McCain.
 
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