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Folding Gun Looks Like Cell Phone

bungleodeon said:
Strawman? I was hoping for you to clarify your opinion. You did that. No attack from me, nor did I ever even mention my opinion on the topic at hand. I read your post, wanted to ask you a question, you clarified, let's move on?
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do you support banning that gimmicky gun?
 
Casper said:
Correct, they will do the same they always do, break the law. Glad to see you get that reality, I was not sure on that. Now back to whether it should or not be legal, it is a two shot handgun, basically a derringer of sorts, few people actually carry them even though many buy them and the reason is they tend to be too limited in a defensive situation. The argument that people might get shot if someone thinks their phone is a gun is already a reality, especially in a low light situation, and people that point anything at a LEO is asking to get shot, so that danger already exists and why people should simply obey the officer when they give orders and if you want to make a complaint later that is your right, at least you would be here to do so.
I think the gun is "gimmicky" and the likelihood is they will not sell all that many since most people that do carry prefer something better suited for defensive needs. Will I buy one, nope, far too many better choices, even in derringers type weapons if that is what someone is seeking.
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The point I made, that you don't seem to get, is that criminals couldn't obtain this weapon if it never went into circulation.

TurtleDude said:
there are lots of things this government does that needs to be reformed
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And there are lots of things they do that are completely right. Again, this is a non-argument.
 
Paleocon said:
The point I made, that you don't seem to get, is that criminals couldn't obtain this weapon if it never went into circulation.



And there are lots of things they do that are completely right. Again, this is a non-argument.
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if this cell phone gun was something criminals thought would be useful for their "profession" are you saying a ban would stop it from being created?
 
TurtleDude said:
do you support banning that gimmicky gun?
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No. There are far more dangerous and simple to use options if a person wanted to conceal a weapon and use it in a criminal way.

(I carry a concealed pistol, legally, quite often)
 
Paleocon said:
The point I made, that you don't seem to get, is that criminals couldn't obtain this weapon if it never went into circulation.



And there are lots of things they do that are completely right. Again, this is a non-argument.
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That could be said of all guns but it would take a Million years before they were all out of circulation. Why worry about some small two shot handgun when the criminal has a Glock 17 or CZ 75, sorry but there is no legal grounds to ban the manufacture of the gun and it probably is not Constitutional to even try.
 
bungleodeon said:
No. There are far more dangerous and simple to use options if a person wanted to conceal a weapon and use it in a criminal way.

(I carry a concealed pistol, legally, quite often)
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agreed

its sort of like the silly laws against "Switchblade knives". most people can open a spyderco folder faster than an automatic folder or a balisong (another knife that movies have depicted as some sort of super evil kung fu killer weapon). and none of them are as fast as a sheath knife or as strong.

much ado about nothing. BTW I have lots of guns. all kinds of guns. and no I have no interest or desire to buy a cell phone gun I got that out of my system as a kid when I had some Toy spy gun that looked like an instamatic camera and when you hit a button a barrel popped out of it and with a grip.
 
Casper said:
That could be said of all guns but it would take a Million years before they were all out of circulation. Why worry about some small two shot handgun when the criminal has a Glock 17 or CZ 75, sorry but there is no legal grounds to ban the manufacture of the gun and it probably is not Constitutional to even try.
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CZ75s are almost never seen in criminal hands. The plastic guns are far more popular. Why? weight. most mopes don't carry firearms in holsters. Why? because if you have to ditch a gun, its a given you just had one if the cops pat you down and find a holster. So must mopes either carry small pocket pistols (mainly for intimidating victims to comply with robberies or holdups) or stuff like Glocks when they are ganged in gang turf wars which they stuff in their belts (smart ones use a shoe string that is easy to ditch during a chase)

CZ75s are among the heaviest standard size 9mms (which is why so many of us speed shooters use them in stock events-they are easier to control during multi target engagements than the much lighter Glocks and MPs and XDs)
 
TurtleDude said:
I can see someone causing problems with it but that alone is not sufficient to Ban it.

might give a mugging victim a chance to get the drop on a mope
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It won't be banned. We already have hundreds of cellphones that are actually stun guns.


I may be wrong but I would assume the precision of this cellphone gun would equal that of the old Saturday Night Special. As for the notion of a self-defense, I would much rather pull out a ready to fire derringer from my body.

A big factor in this not being my choice for a self defense weapon is reliability. I look at it and then look at some of the well made derringers and I want something that in the heat of the moment is not going to fail me. In a confrontation you want something that you can put a steel lock grip on it, this cellphone gun reminds me a rubber band gun.

The only people I see getting excited about this is the thug on the street.
 
Crosscheck said:
It won't be banned. We already have hundreds of cellphones that are actually stun guns.


I may be wrong but I would assume the precision of this cellphone gun would equal that of the old Saturday Night Special. As for the notion of a self-defense, I would much rather pull out a ready to fire derringer from my body.

A big factor in this not being my choice for a self defense weapon is reliability. I look at it and then look at some of the well made derringers and I want something that in the heat of the moment is not going to fail me. In a confrontation you want something that you can put a steel lock grip on it, this cellphone gun reminds me a rubber band gun.

The only people I see getting excited about this is the thug on the street.
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Well it depends on the intent of the thug

most thugs carry firearms to

1) force compliance ("give me your wallet or I will shoot you" or submit to a rape or you will be shot)

2) offensive or defensive use against rival gangbangers


I don't see this weapon being a good choice for either

in the first case a criminal will decide when to hold up or rob or rape a victim. The gun will not be produced until the criminal has chosen the time and place

in the second case, for offensive reasons, the gun will be hidden until the criminal attacks

in the case of defense-its harder to deploy
 
TurtleDude said:
if this cell phone gun was something criminals thought would be useful for their "profession" are you saying a ban would stop it from being created?
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It would certainly keep its production limited. The thing is, criminals aren't a giant collective based on mutual cooperation. It's not as if criminals (in general) have an organized leadership making decisions about what's best for them.

Casper said:
That could be said of all guns but it would take a Million years before they were all out of circulation. Why worry about some small two shot handgun when the criminal has a Glock 17 or CZ 75, sorry but there is no legal grounds to ban the manufacture of the gun and it probably is not Constitutional to even try.
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Taking ale thing out of circulation is not the same as stopping it from going into circulation in the first place.
 
Paleocon said:
It would certainly keep its production limited. The thing is, criminals aren't a giant collective based on mutual cooperation. It's not as if criminals (in general) have an organized leadership making decisions about what's best for them.



Taking ale thing out of circulation is not the same as stopping it from going into circulation in the first place.
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so are you in favor of banning any additional firearms sales?
 
Paleocon said:
You didn't answer the question.



Exactly. This doesn't serve any purpose that other weapons wouldn't, but it does create its own unique problems.



Criminals don't obey laws. So if this goes into circulation, they'll obtain it.



This weapon will be easier to conceal, and it will make things very uneasy for police at scenes where they're being videod.
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I answered the question in the first post, and the next one.
 
TurtleDude said:
CZ75s are almost never seen in criminal hands. The plastic guns are far more popular. Why? weight. most mopes don't carry firearms in holsters. Why? because if you have to ditch a gun, its a given you just had one if the cops pat you down and find a holster. So must mopes either carry small pocket pistols (mainly for intimidating victims to comply with robberies or holdups) or stuff like Glocks when they are ganged in gang turf wars which they stuff in their belts (smart ones use a shoe string that is easy to ditch during a chase)

CZ75s are among the heaviest standard size 9mms (which is why so many of us speed shooters use them in stock events-they are easier to control during multi target engagements than the much lighter Glocks and MPs and XDs)
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I will attest to the sturdiness of the CZ platform. They are heavy and horrible conceal handguns but from a tactical standpoint exceptional. Any mugger with a ditch gun better pack a lunch against a person who can use their tactical firearm.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I will attest to the sturdiness of the CZ platform. They are heavy and horrible conceal handguns but from a tactical standpoint exceptional. Any mugger with a ditch gun better pack a lunch against a person who can use their tactical firearm.
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back when the Iron Curtain came down, CZs (which had been hard to get) became easy to obtain and a great buy for the money. Only the STAR 30 was probably a better buy. But with so many gun purchases being motivated by CCW licenses becoming much more available, the CZ never took off because as you noted-its more of an open carry holster gun for a police officer, a military man or an armed guard rather than something you stash in an IWB holster.

where the CZ is king is in stuff like our local steel events. The top four steel shooters in SW Ohio all shoot some version of this gun. Out of the box the SP-01 or the older 75 are hard to beat and the custom shop versions are one of the few platforms that compare favorably with the very expensive STI modular framed "high capacity" 1911 platforms
 
TurtleDude said:
back when the Iron Curtain came down, CZs (which had been hard to get) became easy to obtain and a great buy for the money. Only the STAR 30 was probably a better buy. But with so many gun purchases being motivated by CCW licenses becoming much more available, the CZ never took off because as you noted-its more of an open carry holster gun for a police officer, a military man or an armed guard rather than something you stash in an IWB holster.

where the CZ is king is in stuff like our local steel events. The top four steel shooters in SW Ohio all shoot some version of this gun. Out of the box the SP-01 or the older 75 are hard to beat and the custom shop versions are one of the few platforms that compare favorably with the very expensive STI modular framed "high capacity" 1911 platforms
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Yep, that is the only other high caliber I am interested in. I am a huge CZ/IWI fan but the 1911 is king, it's basically untouched in over 100 years of design and still one of the best pistol platforms invented.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The ATF shouldn't even exist. And frankly, it's a gun, people need to get over themselves. It is a small caliber two shooter, it's a modern Derringer, nothing to see here.
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So if one of the bullets hit you it would be no big deal?
 
LaMidRighter said:
Yep, that is the only other high caliber I am interested in. I am a huge CZ/IWI fan but the 1911 is king, it's basically untouched in over 100 years of design and still one of the best pistol platforms invented.
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the main advantage a 1911 has is the sliding trigger mechanism over a pivoting one which allows a SAFE but very light trigger that few of the pivoting triggers can match. Now the SA only jobs the CZ Custom shop puts on their competition guns is as good. I have a Wilson Combat top of the line comp gun and a pair of Les Baers and two of the ultra high quality original Rock River arms standard match (USPSA single stack primo rigs) and the triggers are out of this world. But then again so is the CTS CZ I have -it breaks at around 1.6 or so pounds. but that is a 2400 dollar job rig and out of the box 1911's from say SA (Trophy Match-half the cost) are as good.

that is the main advantage of the 1911 over most pistols. BTW I have a Novak built BHP and it has the pivoting trigger-its not nearly as good as a 1911 even though it has by far the best trigger of any BHP I have shot (which is north of 40 versions)
 
EnigmaO01 said:
or ceramic ammunition.
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years ago there were shotgun shells called ACTV or ACTIV. no brass or steel in the hull

at one point in my life I was a pretty good shotgun shooter and the local place that sold them gave me a case to try. it worked ok but IIRC reloading them was a bit of a hassle and no one was giving me sufficient shells in sponsorship to handle all my training needs. But still the shot was lead and would show up on a metal detector or Xray. Now I suppose you can make a plastic pistol cartridge case with some sort of a heavy plastic bullet that would be lethal at very close ranges (there are some riot control projectiles that can kill at very close range)

and that might be easier to get through a MD and you could make a pistol that could last a few rounds that would be all plastic or similar materials
 
TurtleDude said:
you mean if someone pulls it out and points it at a cop?
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Possible
or if someone pulls his cell phone out and points it at a cop after a cop says FREEZE?
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Toy guns, taken as a lethal threat- they look real - to cell phones all taken now with this gadget as a lethal threat.

or after a cop shoots someone wrongfully and finds one of these devices in the slain person's pocket and uses it as a justification for shooting someone improperly?
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Never stated, not implied that.
 
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Should be great amounts of fun for school administrators and teachers too.

What percentage of kids in public school from grades 6-12 have smart phones now?

What's the first thing most smart phone owners do when situations get sketchy? Start to video the events unfolding?

Teacher and student(s) start to argue and things start looking like it might get physical....how many cell phones get whipped out and the record buttons get pushed?

School yard fight? Cell phone video - or cell-phone gun?
 
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

:rolleyes:
 
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