Allow the CDC to Study Gun Violence[W:101]

MrT said:

Of course you don't care. Why should you care about questioning your own biases.

Biases like the subtle shift that just occurred in your post from talking about white owners to being synonymous with the "honest" citizens.

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jamesrage said:

The only reason anti-2nd amendment trash are pushing for this study is because they think the results can be used to help push their anti-2nd amendment message.

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TurtleDude said:

its funny watching you whine about Bias (when nothing I said is anything other than FACTUAL) when you ooze hatred of gun owners and gun ownership and call OTHERS biased?

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MrT said:

First off, you are talking about the original creator of the amendment that prevents the CDC from studying gun violence. A man that is also an NRA spokesperson. "Anti-2nd amendment" does not apply to Mr. Dickey.

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And no, I don't want a study that helps to push an anti-2nd amendment agenda/message. I want a study that provides realistic and effective methods of reducing gun violence.

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MrT said:

You just said that you don't care about the source or validity of your "facts." So yea, you have said things that are other than Factual. Please - feel free to prove your arguments.

And here's the difference, I readily admit that I am biased on this issue. You espouse all sorts of biased statements and then scoff at the notion that you're biased.

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jamesrage said:

People change.The NRA once supported some of the anti-2nd amendment nonsense.



Sure and I am the worlds richest man.

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TurtleDude said:

what have I said that is biased?

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MrT said:

Please review Posts number 31, 32, 34, 37, 43, 47 and 48.

While you review those posts, please try to view the comments from the lens of a Black American. Would that person view your comments as being biased?

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MrT said:

So I watched the Daily Show last night where they covered the interesting topic of allowing the CDC to study gun violence.

[video]http://www.cc.com/video-clips/nc8xh2/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-a-new-approach-to-gun-violence-prevention[/video]

Now, the interesting thing to me is not that they covered this topic. It is an important topic and it would make sense for the Daily Show to cover it in the wake of multiple mass shootings that have taken place this year. No, what is interesting is the fact that the former director of the CDC, Mark Rosenberg, and Jay Dickey, the original author of the Dickey Amendment - the amendment which originally and continually prevents the CDC from studying gun violence - joined together in order to promote this cause. Here is a link to the article that they authored together.

The article is titled, "How to Protect Gun Rights While Reducing the Toll of Gun Violence." And that is a cause that I believe we can all support.

And to quote the Daily Show correspondent, during an interview with Jazz Shaw of Hot Air (who wrote an article on why he did the show here), when you are wondering how we could possibly make guns safer, the response...

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TurtleDude said:

I am merely telling the truth. why should someone call that biased unless your goal is to try to substitute inferences of racism for a logical argument?

you admit you want to harass lawful gun ownership and owners. Find where i have stated I am biased against blacks. I am merely noting a fact that any cop, judge, prosecutor or criminal defense attorney will confirm.

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ObamacareFail said:

It is patently stupid for the Center for Disease Control to branch into anything having to do with firearms.

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MrT said:

Well damned! Where can I find that patent!?

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ReverendHellh0und said:

the idea of the CDC studying gun violence is nothing more than an attempt by the hoplophobic left to do an end run around the constitution.

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WCH said:

And to further expand the influence of government.

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TurtleDude said:

Mr T wants to ban handguns. MR T wants the CDC to study gun violence. Does that cause a reasonable person to believe that Mr. T thinks that the CDC is biased against legal gun ownership

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MrT said:

I never said that I want to harass lawful gun owners and I do not need to find a quote from you where you said you are biased against blacks.

You are explicitly illustrating your bias against blacks when you chose to bring up, on your own, the notion of black violence in a discussion where the racial demographic of the gun violence was neither the focus nor was it discussed in the slightest before your comment.

And that is a logic driven example for why I am calling you a racist. Hiding behind a guise and a label of "facts" as you deem it (without citation) does not change or alter my opinion.

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MrT said:

Setting aside the fact that Mr. Carroll is correct (a meta study showing that gun ownership doubles the risk of homicide and triples the risk of suicide), you are relying on comments that are more than 20-25 years old to represent the current version of the CDC.

And even if that were still true, it is not a good justification to prevent them completely from engaging in the research. At best, you might have an argument for why the research is biased and should be viewed skeptically.

But then, any research on gun violence is "biased" (facts do tend to create that effect) and is viewed skeptically by your side.

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NonoBadDog said:

I don't think the CDC should studying gun violence. It isn't their place and they have demonstrated that their study would probably be tainted or even intentionally slanted. There is more than enough evidence that one should be skeptical more than not. If it isn't going to be a true study then why fund it?

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TurtleDude said:

well we know that white rates of gun violence are no higher than among whites who live in nations with draconian gun control. so it would be a waste of time to study white gun violence wouldn't it?

why not study the subset of the population that causes an inordinate amount of the gun violence? but such a study would focus on issues the CDC really isn't expert in, such as social pathologies including the "don't snitch" mentality, high rates of single parent homes, and lots of teenage "baby mommas" who have multiple children with multiple "Baby daddies"

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MrT said:

Alright, you've said this fact enough times - it is time to back it up. Please provide me some evidence as to why I should accept that rates of white gun violence is no higher than in countries where guns are not allowed or at least severely restricted.

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MrT said:

Alright, you've said this fact enough times - it is time to back it up. Please provide me some evidence as to why I should accept that rates of white gun violence is no higher than in countries where guns are not allowed or at least severely restricted.

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Hawkeye10 said:

First off we need to define terms....does "gun violence" include suicide?

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TurtleDude said:

you have been on this board long enough to have seen those posts. IN fact I believe you were present on several of the threads.

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MrT said:

Just humor me and pretend that I wasn't. I simply don't recall reviewing your source.

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