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I think I'll just post some interesting data and graphs on firearms in the US and see where the discussion leads.

America is a Violent Country

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Sure looks like lots of assaults in the US lead to death, huh? Wonder why Americans are so effective at killing?

If you seperate out the data in terms of nations, you get this:

http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/assault-deaths-oecd-ts-facet.png

And if you're wondering why Mexico isnt in there, its because no one actually considers it a developed nation like the US, except for certain dishonest types who pretend it is for the purposes of guns.
 
Where are India, China, Russia, Brazil, Any Latin or South American countries, etc?

Oh that's right, that didn't fit the meme.
 
Threegoofs said:
I think I'll just post some interesting data and graphs on firearms in the US and see where the discussion leads.

America is a Violent Country

assault-deaths-oecd-ts-all-new.png


Sure looks like lots of assaults in the US lead to death, huh? Wonder why Americans are so effective at killing?

If you seperate out the data in terms of nations, you get this:

http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/assault-deaths-oecd-ts-facet.png

And if you're wondering why Mexico isnt in there, its because no one actually considers it a developed nation like the US, except for certain dishonest types who pretend it is for the purposes of guns.
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How many other countries have at least 10 million illegal aliens from Mexico within their borders? You cannot honestly exclude Mexico and yet include 10 million of its people in US statistics.
 
Hmm... The number of guns in the US is increasng yet the US homicide rate is decreasing. How can that be explained?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... The number of guns in the US is increasng yet the US homicide rate is decreasing. How can that be explained?
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The number of gun owners are not increasing significantly - just the number of guns owned by certain gun owners. If those gun owners have not committed previously committed any crimes, then additional guns are unlikely to lead to a significant increase in gun crimes.

The drop in the US homicide rate should be placed most significantly at the feet of Roe v. Wade.
 
Threegoofs said:
I think I'll just post some interesting data and graphs on firearms in the US and see where the discussion leads.

America is a Violent Country

assault-deaths-oecd-ts-all-new.png


Sure looks like lots of assaults in the US lead to death, huh? Wonder why Americans are so effective at killing?

If you seperate out the data in terms of nations, you get this:

http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/assault-deaths-oecd-ts-facet.png

And if you're wondering why Mexico isnt in there, its because no one actually considers it a developed nation like the US, except for certain dishonest types who pretend it is for the purposes of guns.
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I think you need to separate out America's black inner cities.

If you did I believe you'd find that the rate of across the majority of America is either similar to or below that of the rest of the developed world.
 
soot said:
I think you need to separate out America's black inner cities.

If you did I believe you'd find that the rate of across the majority of America is either similar to or below that of the rest of the developed world.
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And I bet you don't believe that you're a racist
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How many other countries have at least 10 million illegal aliens from Mexico within their borders? You cannot honestly exclude Mexico and yet include 10 million of its people in US statistics.
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First off, the total illegal immigration estimate is around 11 million - you seriously believe that 10 million come from Mexico alone?

Second, you believe that the ten million mexican immigrants can explain the difference illustrated by the chart above, despite the fact that ten million would only be about 3% of the total US population?

And finally, did you ever consider that the reason there are so many Mexican immigrants is because they are trying to escape the murder rates found in the undeveloped, "developed" nation that is Mexico?
 
Americans love violence, I hope we wake the hell up soon...
 
MrT said:
And I bet you don't believe that you're a racist
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There's nothing racist about stating simple facts.

The Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 report released by Barack Obama's Bureau of Justice Statistics clearly, CLEARLY, demonstrates that African Americans are more violent overall than white Americans and that inner city African Americans are more violent still.

Per the report:

Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). Th e offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).
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Here's the chart:

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African Americans are just 12% of the population but they commit 52% of homicides.

Again, simple facts.

Nothing "racist" about my pointing it out.

It's just like saying the sky is blue or that water is wet.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... The number of guns in the US is increasng yet the US homicide rate is decreasing. How can that be explained?
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well sociology is a vague understanding of the obvious so the Professor ignored the obvious

Legal gun owners aren't the problem

illegal gun owners have already violated laws against owning guns (or using them to shoot or rob people). so the "solutions" gun banners come up with-laws that harass or limit what honest people can do, is worthless for dealing with the vast majority of those who cause problems with guns
 
Threegoofs said:
I guess the concept of Western, developed nations is foreign to you.
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what appears foreign to you is the following

1) people who have violated numerous laws with guns including committing robbery or murder are almost guaranteed to ignore laws about owning or possessing guns

2) people who have owned guns legally and not violated the current laws do not need additional laws directed at them to keep them from hurting others

3) people most likely to follow gun laws are the ones least likely to use guns feloniously

4) those who don't care about laws in general are not going to be impeded by additional gun laws and additional threats of punishment
 
soot said:
I think you need to separate out America's black inner cities.

If you did I believe you'd find that the rate of across the majority of America is either similar to or below that of the rest of the developed world.
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Do we get to separate out inner cities in the rest of the countries, too?

Dead people are no less dead downtown than in the suburbs.
 
MrT said:
The number of gun owners are not increasing significantly - just the number of guns owned by certain gun owners. If those gun owners have not committed previously committed any crimes, then additional guns are unlikely to lead to a significant increase in gun crimes.

The drop in the US homicide rate should be placed most significantly at the feet of Roe v. Wade.
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but your desire to ban handguns will only impact those who have not committed gun crimes
 
soot said:
There's nothing racist about stating simple facts.

The Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 report released by Barack Obama's Bureau of Justice Statistics clearly, CLEARLY, demonstrates that African Americans are more violent overall than white Americans and that inner city African Americans are more violent still.

Per the report:



Here's the chart:

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African Americans are just 12% of the population but they commit 52% of homicides.

Again, simple facts.

Nothing "racist" about my pointing it out.

It's just like saying the sky is blue or that water is wet.
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We know that drug use amongst white and blacks are similar. We also know that drug conviction rates of whites are significantly lower than blacks.

There is little reason to believe that homicide and assaults are significantly different from that trend. Your chart does nothing to disprove that theory.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How many other countries have at least 10 million illegal aliens from Mexico within their borders? You cannot honestly exclude Mexico and yet include 10 million of its people in US statistics.
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Ten would be low-balling. Let's say 30 million from Mexico plus how ever many from other countries.
 
Threegoofs said:
Do we get to separate out inner cities in the rest of the countries, too?

Dead people are no less dead downtown than in the suburbs.
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Sure, I have no problem with that.

I'm pretty sure we'll find that inner city African Americans are more violent by far than any regional demographic group anywhere in the developed world.

I think you'd have to start comparing them to ISIS or South American drug cartels before you find any comparable group of people anywhere in the world.
 
Threegoofs said:
I think I'll just post some interesting data and graphs on firearms in the US and see where the discussion leads.

America is a Violent Country

assault-deaths-oecd-ts-all-new.png


Sure looks like lots of assaults in the US lead to death, huh? Wonder why Americans are so effective at killing?

If you seperate out the data in terms of nations, you get this:

http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/assault-deaths-oecd-ts-facet.png

And if you're wondering why Mexico isnt in there, its because no one actually considers it a developed nation like the US, except for certain dishonest types who pretend it is for the purposes of guns.
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Study: Gun homicides, violence down sharply in past 20 years - CNN.com
 
WCH said:
That's not being racist. You're being ridiculous.
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The dude, in the very next post after yours, claimed you need to compare African Americans from the inner city to "ISIS or South American drug cartels before you find any comparable group of people anywhere in the world."

Yea...totally not being racist.
 
WCH said:
What's Japan...far west?
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While I understand its hard to get the concept of a developed nation when you never actually have left your home state, I'll let you know Japan is considered a Western developed nation in most aspects, as is Australia, which is also not in the Western Hemisphere.
 
MrT said:
Your chart does nothing to disprove that theory.
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It isn't my chart.

And yes, it does disprove your theory.

You don't have to believe the facts, but your intransigence doesn't change them.
 
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