guess what-the commerce clause was not intended to be a way for congress to avoid the 10th amendment either. do you honestly claim the founders intended the CC to allow federal gun control?
No evidence has been presented by you to support such a claim of fact. And each and every time you come right back to the pretended ace up your sleeve - your claim that the Founders INTENT was not to do what they clearly did do.
You keep asking for Constitutional language which shows the federal government can regulate firearms and I have repeatedly given it to you.
Then your reply is that the Constitutional language was not intended to do that since you do not believe in such things.
This puts you in the position similar to a dog chasing its tail going round and round but actually going nowhere.
No matter what I present in language from the Constitution, the reply will be the same. That is NOT an intellectual argument. It is an all purpose defense mechanism employed to deny constitutional and historical reality.
So once these defense mechanisms and tactics are exposed for what they are, lets look at what we have remaining:
1- the Second Amendment is tied directly to the militia and militia service and the over 200 year old decision in which Chief Justice John Jay ascribes importance to the first half of the amendment cannot be ignored nor can it be minimized nor can it be dismissed.
2- I have provided a scholarly article detailing in quite voluminous fashion the gun regulations in the states and colonies - many of which were the product of some of the very Founders that you claim would never have done so - this clearly shows that your view of the right and the Founders view of the right are not the same. You can keep claiming that these men would not have done this because they believed otherwise, but the fact is that they did enact such legislation that is there just the same. Thus, you claim that they would not do this falls and has no validity.
3- I further researched the idea of natural rights and still cannot find one person in the entire history of the world who can prove that they are anything but a figment of some persons imagination - as you yourself admitted to on several occasions. The Second Amendment itself bestows the right - not some imaginary beliefs regardless if they helped motivate people to write the amendment which bestowed the right.
4- Further, I can find no evidence that the Founders who wrote the Constitution wanted anything of a complete hands off position as you maintain since the Amendment deals with militia service and they provided two clauses in Article I, Section 8 to empower Congress to deal with the very people they were singling out for protection to keep and bear arms. And you have supplied no such evidence. In addition they provided broad powers for the Congress to deal with weapons as objects under other areas of the Article. And you have supplied no such evidence other than your claimed ability to know what the Founders "believed" and then to pretend to speak for people dead for two centuries now.
5- In conclusion, when you take all this together, there is no support at all for you view and tons of support for mine that the Founders did indeed intend the federal government to regulate the Second Amendment rights.
