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No. The bikers said "we were just trying to get him to slow down and not drive close to us." - 1 biker charged, another critical in NYC Range Rover chase - U.S. News

So they did it on purpose. I used to ride and I would not try and force a car to slow down or anything else. It was reckless and stupid. It puts them at fault.

Not to mention the guy had his family in the car. I assume he was scared ****less. He obviously had reason to fear for his safety.

So more to my point then. They weren't trying to kidnap or whatever the SUV. There were a large number of bikes, the SUV was driving to fast and too close, so they tried to slow them down to make some room when the dude in the SUV runs him over and then runs over several more people to escape.
 
The guy who was paralyzed was trying to aid the first fallen motorcyclist when he was run over by the SUV, not attempting to block the SUV in.

was that in the video?
 
Damn straight.

Want to ride on and live? Don't make me think you're a threat to my family. Real simple.

Don't run over a group of people and it won't be an issue.
 
who's claims, the other people on bikes?

People on the scene. You aren't doubting that the man in the car was panicking, do you? He's the one that made that claim. We can see in the video that several people jump off their bikes so we know not everyone was trying to prevent the driver from fleeing the scene.
 
1.)People on the scene.
2.) You aren't doubting that the man in the car was panicking, do you?
3.) He's the one that made that claim.
4.) We can see in the video that several people jump off their bikes so we know not everyone was trying to prevent the driver from fleeing the scene.

1.) that doesnt answer the question?
2.) its very possible, logical and conceivable that he panicked and feared for his safety but i cant say its fact
3.) this is what im asking, so the SUV driver said the guy he ran over was just helping?
4.) jumping off bikes doesnt make mean that at all. It very well COULD but it could doesnt mean that at all.
 
1.) that doesnt answer the question?
2.) its very possible, logical and conceivable that he panicked and feared for his safety but i cant say its fact
3.) this is what im asking, so the SUV driver said the guy he ran over was just helping?
4.) jumping off bikes doesnt make mean that at all. It very well COULD but it could doesnt mean that at all.

No, the SUV driver pounded the gas, I doubt that he saw who he hit. Eye witnesses claimed the dude severely injured by a man using a car as a weapon was helping the injured biker. Which is also a reasonable, logical, possible, and conceivable act.
 
The guy who was paralyzed was trying to aid the first fallen motorcyclist when he was run over by the SUV, not attempting to block the SUV in.

It seems to be unintentional and that counts for everything. Should the guy have just taken his beating or was making a run for it the logical thing to do? How calm should you be expected to remain when 30 motorcycles are chasing you and your little kid is at risk?
 
It seems to be unintentional and that counts for everything. Should the guy have just taken his beating or was making a run for it the logical thing to do? How calm should you be expected to remain when 30 motorcycles are chasing you and your little kid is at risk?

30 motorcyclists were not chasing him until he ran over several of them.
 
1.)No, the SUV driver pounded the gas, I doubt that he saw who he hit.
2.) Eye witnesses claimed the dude severely injured by a man using a car as a weapon was helping the injured biker.
3.) Which is also a reasonable, logical, possible, and conceivable act.

1.) yes he sure did, per the video and the accounts of the video i cant say i would not have done the same with my wife and child in the car.
2.) lol thats preety language but it that was his solely intent, we wouldnt be talking about one injured guy. ALso the only eye witness i read about in all 8 articles i read is the guy, the guys girlfriend and word of mouth.
3.) i dont think its logical at all. Possible and conceivable, yes. Logical no. in that situation i most certainly dont get in front of that SUV until i know its safe too.

curious IF the story is true, what was the SUV drivers options? what would you have done if you suv was being attacked and beat on and you have your wife and kid in the car?

i can honestly say IF it was true and i was driver more would be at least injured, IF it was true.
 
30 motorcyclists were not chasing him until he ran over several of them.

I don't know if we watched 2 completely different videos or not. Tell you what, we'll let the police and courts figure this out.
The driver--identified as an Asian male in his thirties who was driving his wife and his young child--hit a motorcyclist's back wheel after being cut off on the West Side Highway in Upper Manhattan. The New York Daily News reports that no one was injured in the collision, and the driver initially stopped.

However, when the crowd of motorcyclists swarmed the Range Rover, attempting to damage the car, the driver sped ahead, running over several bikes in the process.
 
It seems to be unintentional and that counts for everything. Should the guy have just taken his beating or was making a run for it the logical thing to do? How calm should you be expected to remain when 30 motorcycles are chasing you and your little kid is at risk?

exactly, if the stories are true i HOPE that i could be as restraint as this guy up until the end.

When the end happens if i dont have a gun lots of people probably die after he hits my window once with a helmet. I do a doughnut to get out of there.
 
1.) yes he sure did, per the video and the accounts of the video i cant say i would not have done the same with my wife and child in the car.
2.) lol thats preety language but it that was his solely intent, we wouldnt be talking about one injured guy. ALso the only eye witness i read about in all 8 articles i read is the guy, the guys girlfriend and word of mouth.
3.) i dont think its logical at all. Possible and conceivable, yes. Logical no. in that situation i most certainly dont get in front of that SUV until i know its safe too.

curious IF the story is true, what was the SUV drivers options? what would you have done if you suv was being attacked and beat on and you have your wife and kid in the car?

i can honestly say IF it was true and i was driver more would be at least injured, IF it was true.

What accounts say he saw exactly who he ran over when he fled the scene of an accident?

It is completely logical to check on the status of an injured individual. If you buddy gets in a wreck and is lying in a heap on the ground, you're not going to stand on the side and be like "Oh man, that sucks, better wait though cause something else may happen". Plowing through a group of people, on the other hand, is NOT rational in the least. Leaving the scene of an accident is not reasonable. When there's an injury, you're not going to stand by, you're going to try to check on your friend and try to get help. Instead he was run over.

What would I have done? I'm not a blood thirsty psycho, so my aim ain't to hurt. In fact, I probably would have not driven aggressively and too close to a huge group of motorcyclists in the first place and avoided the entire situation. I would have backed off, given the motorcyclists plenty of room, and bitched to myself about inconsiderate jerks. But that's just me, I like to avoid accidents and crippling people.
 
I don't know if we watched 2 completely different videos or not. Tell you what, we'll let the police and courts figure this out.

The video shows no evidence of the spiking, the car did not drive on for 6 minutes on what appears to be a flat at high speeds. The thing that got the car to pull over was traffic, and THAT'S when damage occurred.

Running over people is not sane nor reasonable. Fleeing a scene is not OK. Driving aggressively against motorcycles is not a good choice to make.
 
1.)What accounts say he saw exactly who he ran over when he fled the scene of an accident?

2.)It is completely logical to check on the status of an injured individual.
3.) If you buddy gets in a wreck and is lying in a heap on the ground, you're not going to stand on the side and be like "Oh man, that sucks, better wait though cause something else may happen".
4.) Plowing through a group of people, on the other hand, is NOT rational in the least.
5.) Leaving the scene of an accident is not reasonable.
6.) When there's an injury, you're not going to stand by, you're going to try to check on your friend and try to get help.
7.) Instead he was run over.

8.)What would I have done? I'm not a blood thirsty psycho, so my aim ain't to hurt. In fact, I probably would have not driven aggressively and too close to a huge group of motorcyclists in the first place and avoided the entire situation. I would have backed off, given the motorcyclists plenty of room, and bitched to myself about inconsiderate jerks. But that's just me, I like to avoid accidents and crippling people.

1.) weird i didnt say that at all, never even suggested the video accounts he knew who he ran over please stay on point.
also he can legal flee anything he wants to IF his story was true. People are doing something to his SUV dont know what though. If they were beating it he can leave what ever he wants

2.) i say its completely stupid until i know BOTH of us arent going to end up hurt dead. Now i dont know who that guy was but common sense just tells you that
3.) of course i am because im smart. i most definitely am going to wait till its safe. This logical MIGHT get a little cloudier if its my wife or kid hurt but i cant help them if i get hurt or killed myself.
4.) if the story is true it most certainly is
5.) see #4 not only is it rational its totally legal
6.) false see #2 and #3
7.) that a shame he should of used his head better
8.) translation you choose to make up your own story and not answer the question as asked. got it.

now if you could be honest for a second and actually answer the question.
If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do. Maybe you will answer this time.
 
1.) weird i didnt say that at all, never even suggested the video accounts he knew who he ran over please stay on point.
also he can legal flee anything he wants to IF his story was true. People are doing something to his SUV dont know what though. If they were beating it he can leave what ever he wants

2.) i say its completely stupid until i know BOTH of us arent going to end up hurt dead. Now i dont know who that guy was but common sense just tells you that
3.) of course i am because im smart. i most definitely am going to wait till its safe. This logical MIGHT get a little cloudier if its my wife or kid hurt but i cant help them if i get hurt or killed myself.
4.) if the story is true it most certainly is
5.) see #4 not only is it rational its totally legal
6.) false see #2 and #3
7.) that a shame he should of used his head better
8.) translation you choose to make up your own story and not answer the question as asked. got it.

now if you could be honest for a second and actually answer the question.
If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do. Maybe you will answer this time.

I did honestly answer your question. I'm not a blood thirsty psycho seeking to cause incident and injury on the road. I would have given the motorcyclists the room, avoided any wreck, and just bitched about how they were inconsiderate punks driving like they owned the road. Sorry you don't like the answer, doesn't seem to satisfy your bloodlust, but it's exactly as I would have done.

Now you want to claim it's not reasonable to check on an injured friend because you want to keep up this pretext that the scum of the earth motorcyclists were completely at fault and the hero dad was a brave soul who dared take on a group of bikers. But it's just bias. It's not based on fact, it's just based on what you would like the situation to be because as you've stated had situations been changed, you would have left more carnage. So this is to support what you want and the outcome you want to happen; you won't even entertain the notion that it could have been the driver's initial fault for running people over, that the group stopped because a group would stop when one of their riders gets injured, and that they were threatening this man before they actually threatened him.
 
1.)I did honestly answer your question. I'm not a blood thirsty psycho seeking to cause incident and injury on the road. I would have given the motorcyclists the room, avoided any wreck, and just bitched about how they were inconsiderate punks driving like they owned the road. Sorry you don't like the answer, doesn't seem to satisfy your bloodlust, but it's exactly as I would have done.

2.)Now you want to claim it's not reasonable to check on an injured friend because you want to keep up this pretext that the scum of the earth motorcyclists were completely at fault and the hero dad was a brave soul who dared take on a group of bikers. But it's just bias. It's not based on fact, it's just based on what you would like the situation to be because as you've stated had situations been changed, you would have left more carnage. So this is to support what you want and the outcome you want to happen; you won't even entertain the notion that it could have been the driver's initial fault for running people over, that the group stopped because a group would stop when one of their riders gets injured, and that they were threatening this man before they actually threatened him.

1.) wow, are you going to just lie and think nobody noticed. You made up your own question and scenario but thanks for proving the fact you arent going to be honest.
no where in your answer does it say what you would have done if people were attacking you SUV, why blatantly post lies? do you think it fools anybody?

2.) now this is funny, now that you are angry from being exposed already you are going to post more lies. Awesome, this is hilarious. You have NOTHING to base youe lies on about me but please continue so i can laugh at your exposure. Never said any of that at all. thanks for playing you lose and facts defeat you.

when you are ready to post honestly answer the question

"If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do?"
 
1.) wow, are you going to just lie and think nobody noticed. You made up your own question and scenario but thanks for proving the fact you arent going to be honest.
no where in your answer does it say what you would have done if people were attacking you SUV, why blatantly post lies? do you think it fools anybody?

2.) now this is funny, now that you are angry from being exposed already you are going to post more lies. Awesome, this is hilarious. You have NOTHING to base youe lies on about me but please continue so i can laugh at your exposure. Never said any of that at all. thanks for playing you lose and facts defeat you.

when you are ready to post honestly answer the question

"If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do?"

If the story is true, then the SUV was driving aggressively at the motorcyclists to start and prompted them to try to slow the car down so they could get around, at which point the dude ran over the first motorcylist. As I said, I'm not a blood thirsty psycho talking about leaving bodies in the road. I would have not gotten into the situation by not driving aggressively at a large group of bikers.

So what lies, show them. Everything is written down, so you'll have no problem.
 
Tell you what, we'll let the police and courts figure this out.

It's what I've said from the get go. It needs to be investigated. But a lot of folk here are playing judge, jury, and executioner.
 
1.)If the story is true, then the SUV was driving aggressively at the motorcyclists to start and prompted them to try to slow the car down so they could get around, at which point the dude ran over the first motorcylist. As I said, I'm not a blood thirsty psycho talking about leaving bodies in the road. I would have not gotten into the situation by not driving aggressively at a large group of bikers.

2.)So what lies, show them. Everything is written down, so you'll have no problem.

1.) thank you for continuing to be dishonest and making up your own question. you are exposed

ill ask you again, maybe youe be honest and answer THIS time but my guess is you will dodge it again.

when you are ready to post honestly answer the question

"If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do?"

2.) sure no problem, its a fact you still have not answer my question and made up your own question then lied about it. its a fact you lied when you said that i said "Now you want to claim it's not reasonable to check on an injured friend" NEVER said that at all i said its unreasonable to check on a friend before know its safe. This is also a lie " you won't even entertain the notion that it could have been the driver's initial fault for running people over" weird since i have said this in booth the threads and i keep saying "IF" true. wonder what im entertaining when i say if

3 lies, that was no problem, thanks for playing you lose to facts again, anythign else you want to go over? I like when you post melt downs like this.

Dont for get my question
If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do?"
 
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1.) thank you for continuing to be dishonest and making up your own question. you are exposed

ill ask you again, maybe youe be honest and answer THIS time but my guess is you will dodge it again.

when you are ready to post honestly answer the question

"If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do?"

2.) sure no problem, its a fact you still have not answer my question and made up your own question then lied about it. its a fact you lied when you said that i said "Now you want to claim it's not reasonable to check on an injured friend" NEVER said that at all i said its unreasonable to check on a friend before know its safe. This is also a lie " you won't even entertain the notion that it could have been the driver's initial fault for running people over" weird since i have said this in booth the threads and i keep saying "IF" true. wonder what im entertaining when i say if

3 lies, that was no problem, thanks for playing you lose to facts again, anythign else you want to go over? I like when you post melt downs like this.

Dont for get my question
If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do?"

Quote my lies.

I told you my answer, you don't like it. In the video when the biker gets close to the SUV and gets in front, that is the absolute latest point that I would be on my brakes. That biker gets in front of me, I'm opening up following distance, hell probably doing it when I see he's trying to merge into my lane. Probably done slowed down and got out of the way far before that. My answer to your question is that through responsible and proactive driving, I would have avoided the situation.

Now quote my lies.
 
Motorcyclist didn't slam on his brakes, if you watch the video you'll see his break lights don't come on.
~25 seconds into the video his brake light clearly lights up and the bike suddenly slows down. So yes, he did hit the brakes.



The SUV driver cannot stop in time and he can't swerve out of the way because he is boxed in by motorcycles on both sides. It's an insurance scam that has been around for decades.
 
1.)Quote my lies.

2.)I told you my answer, you don't like it. In the video when the biker gets close to the SUV and gets in front, that is the absolute latest point that I would be on my brakes. That biker gets in front of me, I'm opening up following distance, hell probably doing it when I see he's trying to merge into my lane. Probably done slowed down and got out of the way far before that. My answer to your question is that through responsible and proactive driving, I would have avoided the situation.

Now quote my lies.

1.) i did stop trying to deflect its not working nobody reading buys it, nobody. you posted a melt down and just started making stuff up when your position got thin. pretty simple.
2.) nope oyu made up your own question.

ill ask again since oyu keep dodging, nobody asked you how to avoid it i asked you "If the story is true and the people started attacking your SUV with your wife and kid in the care what do you do?"

3.) already did in my previous post and it refers to your post 68. please dont try another lie it will fail also. they are even bolded. Man this is halarious.

im betting next post you dodge the question again.
 
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