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Bush, Obama, and Trump were/are poor spenders...

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eman926

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All three of these guys have brought the national debt to drastic highs. We really need to make some cuts and reduce and hopefully (obviously a very long time from now) pay back the national debt. But realistically, that will never happen. I did like during the first few months of the Trump presidency that he reduced the debt, but that has since passed.
 
eman926 said:
I did like during the first few months of the Trump presidency that he reduced the debt
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Really? You think HE did it? How exactly did he do it?

You do realize most policies take 18 months before their effects are measurable...?

eman926 said:
All three of these guys have brought the national debt to drastic highs.
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Small difference on how they spent all that money that we don't have:

Bush - wars and a tax cut

Obama - getting us out of Great Recession + continuation of Bush wars + healthcare (less than most people believe)

Trump - major tax cuts for 0.1% who work in real estate + tax cuts to corporations
 
eman926 said:
All three of these guys have brought the national debt to drastic highs. We really need to make some cuts and reduce and hopefully (obviously a very long time from now) pay back the national debt. But realistically, that will never happen. I did like during the first few months of the Trump presidency that he reduced the debt, but that has since passed.
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Lol, first few months? As in before he did anything?
 
What bull ****. Bush and trump were big time spenders. Only obama and clinton lowered spending.
 
99percenter said:
What bull ****. Bush and trump were big time spenders. Only obama and clinton lowered spending.
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Oh man, I hope that was satire. If it was, well done, got me to do a double take and read it again =)
 
eman926 said:
All three of these guys have brought the national debt to drastic highs. We really need to make some cuts and reduce and hopefully (obviously a very long time from now) pay back the national debt. But realistically, that will never happen. I did like during the first few months of the Trump presidency that he reduced the debt, but that has since passed.
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Exactly what should have each President done in relation to conditions at the time? (Yes, that is a question that is risky for you to try to answer.)
 
eman926 said:
All three of these guys have brought the national debt to drastic highs. We really need to make some cuts and reduce and hopefully (obviously a very long time from now) pay back the national debt. But realistically, that will never happen. I did like during the first few months of the Trump presidency that he reduced the debt, but that has since passed.
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You're just trying to compare the Democrats with the Republicans and put them all in the same guilty bin.

Both Bush and Trump cut taxes putting a strain on the lending pool to create a lending bubble.

This was on top of a Clinton boom and surplus and Trump had Obama's strong economy, who reduced his deficit.

If Clinton had grown the Obama boom, we would be well off and not have to slap down ten Trillion dollars to try to keep this pig running, a more modest stimulus would be sufficient.
 
eman926 said:
All three of these guys have brought the national debt to drastic highs. We really need to make some cuts and reduce and hopefully (obviously a very long time from now) pay back the national debt. But realistically, that will never happen. I did like during the first few months of the Trump presidency that he reduced the debt, but that has since passed.
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News Flash, Congress....and more specifically the House....sets the table on spending.

And we have not had a "normal" budget process since 2010. We have relied on continuing resolutions and omnibus bills.
 
eman926 said:
All three of these guys have brought the national debt to drastic highs. We really need to make some cuts and reduce and hopefully (obviously a very long time from now) pay back the national debt. But realistically, that will never happen. I did like during the first few months of the Trump presidency that he reduced the debt, but that has since passed.
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A classic example of someone who has no clue about how their own government functions. A true civic illiterate.

Basic Civics 101 = "The President proposes, Congress disposes."

Presidents don't have the authority to appropriate funds. All they can do is make recommendations. Not a single proposed budget by any President since they began in 1919 has ever been approved by Congress. Congress is responsible for all spending and therefore entirely responsible for the National Debt. Presidents, at best, can veto a budget passed by Congress if it has not passed by a two-thirds majority.

All of the budgets passed by Congress while Trump has been President has been with a veto-proof majority. Six of the eight years Obama was President Congress passed budgets with a veto-proof majority, and five of the eight years Bush43 was President Congress passed budgets with a veto-proof majority. So in the last twenty years there have been a grand total of five times a President could have vetoed a budget and didn't.
 
Exquisitor said:
You're just trying to compare the Democrats with the Republicans and put them all in the same guilty bin.

Both Bush and Trump cut taxes putting a strain on the lending pool to create a lending bubble.

This was on top of a Clinton boom and surplus and Trump had Obama's strong economy, who reduced his deficit.

If Clinton had grown the Obama boom, we would be well off and not have to slap down ten Trillion dollars to try to keep this pig running, a more modest stimulus would be sufficient.
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Presidents don't cut taxes, Congress does. Congress is also 100% responsible for the National Debt. You are in serious need of an education in basic civics.
 
Glitch said:
Presidents don't cut taxes, Congress does. Congress is also 100% responsible for the National Debt. You are in serious need of an education in basic civics.
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Trump signed it.

Clinton vetoed his own Parties budget.
 
Glitch said:
Presidents don't cut taxes, Congress does. Congress is also 100% responsible for the National Debt. You are in serious need of an education in basic civics.
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I'm all for a Democratic House and Senate.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
News Flash, Congress....and more specifically the House....sets the table on spending.

And we have not had a "normal" budget process since 2010. We have relied on continuing resolutions and omnibus bills.
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Since 1999 actually. The last time Congress passed all twelve (13 if you count DC) appropriation bills was in 1998 when Newt Gingrich was still Speaker of the House. Since then Congress has, as you said, used Continuing Resolutions, Omnibus, and Supplemental Spending bills to fund the federal government.

I'm just pleased to have finally found someone who actually has an education in basic civics. :cool:
 
Glitch said:
Then you are for a massive increase in the National Debt and oppressive taxation.
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Heagnh?

Democrats have the proven track record of reducing deficits and handing over growing economies.
 
my suggestion is to cut the tax cuts for the rich, corporate subsidies, and wars. if a war becomes necessary, we can increase taxes horrifyingly for all brackets. that war will most likely end the next day due to popular demand.
 
Exquisitor said:
Trump signed it.

Clinton vetoed his own Parties budget.
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It would not have made any difference whether Trump signed a veto-proof bill or not. All bills passed by Congress become law automatically after 10 calendar days (excluding Sundays) while Congress is in session. Regardless whether the President signs the bill or not.

Clinton also did not veto any budget passed by Democrats. Democrats only held the House (where all appropriations originate) in 1993 and 1994. Republicans took control of the House in 1995. Clinton vetoed the Republican budget in 1995 three times, before the Republican-controlled Congress overrode his third veto.
 
Exquisitor said:
Heagnh?

Democrats have the proven track record of reducing deficits and handing over growing economies.
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Never in the entire 192 history of the Democratic Party have they ever reduced a single deficit or presided over a growing economy. Just the opposite actually.
 
Helix said:
my suggestion is to cut the tax cuts for the rich, corporate subsidies, and wars. if a war becomes necessary, we can increase taxes horrifyingly for all brackets. that war will most likely end the next day due to popular demand.
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It is far too late for anything like that. When our interest payments on the National Debt exceed our defense spending you know there is no going back. The US is on a financial downward spiral from which there is no return. We just increased the National Debt by 20% this year alone, and it is barely half over.

It isn't a question of "if" the US will go broke, default on our interest payments, and completely destroy the value of the dollar, it is only a question of "when."
 
Glitch said:
It would not have made any difference whether Trump signed a veto-proof bill or not. All bills passed by Congress become law automatically after 10 calendar days (excluding Sundays) while Congress is in session. Regardless whether the President signs the bill or not.

Clinton also did not veto any budget passed by Democrats. Democrats only held the House (where all appropriations originate) in 1993 and 1994. Republicans took control of the House in 1995. Clinton vetoed the Republican budget in 1995 three times, before the Republican-controlled Congress overrode his third veto.
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I don't know where you're getting your facts, must be the Bible.

It was 1993 he shut down Government.

By the end of his term he has a boom and surplus and that was quickly squandered away by the Bush tax cuts.

Now that Clinton went and shut down Government the Republicans have to do it again and again.

If the President signs the bill with the veto pen the bill dies.
 
Glitch said:
It is far too late for anything like that. When our interest payments on the National Debt exceed our defense spending you know there is no going back. The US is on a financial downward spiral from which there is no return. We just increased the National Debt by 20% this year alone, and it is barely half over.

It isn't a question of "if" the US will go broke, default on our interest payments, and completely destroy the value of the dollar, it is only a question of "when."
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it isn't too late. we just have to vote out Republicans and ignore election interference professionals. this will require more intelligent, educated people.
 
Exquisitor said:
I don't know where you're getting your facts, must be the Bible.

It was 1993 he shut down Government.
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Wrong. It was in 1995, after the GOP took back the House and Senate in 1994. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Exquisitor said:
By the end of his term he has a boom and surplus and that was quickly squandered away by the Bush tax cuts.

Now that Clinton went and shut down Government the Republicans have to do it again and again.

If the President signs the bill with the veto pen the bill dies.
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By the end of Clinton's second term the Republican-controlled Congress had a surplus of $124 billion. The prior year, 1999, was the first time the Republican-controlled Congress passed a balanced budget in 30 years. Furthermore, it is Congress that enacts tax cuts and tax increases, not Presidents. You really do need to get an education in basic civics because you are obviously clueless.
 
Helix said:
it isn't too late. we just have to vote out Republicans and ignore election interference professionals. this will require more intelligent, educated people.
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You are aware that it has only been Republicans that balanced the budget in the last 50 years, right?

Democrats only increase taxes and the National Debt, and always have. At no time has the Democratic Party, during their entire 192 year history, ever reduced taxes or balanced a budget.
 
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