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Conservative · Jul 15, 2020

rahl said:
except you are fully aware I showed you the cause of the deficits.

Sorry but I don't recall seeing that, what post? I can give you the cause of the deficits quite well, borrowing from SS and Medicare and 7 interest rate hikes. Trump has increased the Obama budget by 100 billion dollars and that doesn't create trillion dollar deficits, SS and Medicare and debt service funding does

Conservative · Jul 15, 2020

rahl said:
again, you not knowing how UE is calculated is your problem. Obama did not create millions of part time jobs. He created millions of full time jobs.

Not my problem at all, the way it is calculated isn't the issue, context however is. So Obama economy didn't create part time jobs?? Tell that to BLS

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2008 to 2019
`
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 4846 4902 4904 5220 5286 5540 5930 5851 6148 6690 7311 8029
2009 8046 8796 9145 8908 9113 9024 8891 9029 8847 8979 9114 9098
2010 8530 8936 9233 9178 8845 8577 8500 8800 9246 8837 8873 8935
2011 8470 8464 8645 8652 8576 8427 8281 8788 9166 8657 8447 8171
2012 8305 8238 7775 7913 8101 8072 8082 7974 8671 8203 8166 7943
2013 8151 8178 7722 7964 7937 8103 8099 7816 7764 7936 7718 7827
2014 7296 7299 7435 7509 7254 7422 7402 7177 7020 7025 6898 6856
2015 6808 6671 6629 6608 6628 6383 6249 6423 6043 5811 6174 6084
2016 5941 5978 6066 6006 6467 5748 5926 5995 5918 5971 5738 5621
2017 5753 5603 5455 5279 5234 5266 5281 5237 5179 4912 4866 4986
2018 4982 5115 4969 4952 4920 4736 4588 4368 4656 4630 4781 4657
2019 5147 4310 4499 4654 4355 4347 3984 4381 4350 4438 4322 4148
2020 4182 4318 5765

rahl · Jul 15, 2020

Conservative said:
Sorry but I don't recall seeing that, what post? I can give you the cause of the deficits quite well, borrowing from SS and Medicare and 7 interest rate hikes. Trump has increased the Obama budget by 100 billion dollars and that doesn't create trillion dollar deficits, SS and Medicare and debt service funding does

I just don't understand why you intentionally detach yourself from reality.............

United States Government Spending | 1950-2020 Data | 2021-2022 Forecast | Historical

rahl · Jul 15, 2020

Conservative said:
Not my problem at all, the way it is calculated isn't the issue, context however is. So Obama economy didn't create part time jobs?? Tell that to BLS

why do you think making **** up is a valid argument? I never said Obama didn't create ANY part time jobs. I pointed out that he created millions of full time jobs, compared to only a small fraction of part time jobs.

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

Moot said:
Read the link.

I asked you

Quaint saying about the doings of the Executive branch but not factual when it comes to the budget. Try again why do you think budgets are solely due to whomever is President?

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

99percenter said:
That was not the 2009 budget. Are you repeating the same lie as the conman?

Yes it is the budget, there is one every year unless they fail to do their jobs and pass a continuing resolution. 2009 was a Democrat budget signed into law by President Obama after they held it up until he won the election and was able to add in his additional spending request.

99percenter · Jul 15, 2020

Stinger said:
Yes it is the budget, there is one every year unless they fail to do their jobs and pass a continuing resolution. 2009 was a Democrat budget signed into law by President Obama after they held it up until he won the election and was able to add in his additional spending request.

BS. Bush signed the 09 budget. Only $150 billion of the stimulus was spent in 09.

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

calamity said:
Na, the worst recovery was Reagan's. He ushered in the highest percentage of debt and had a GPA that didn't even beat Carter's

It's actually worse than Carter, in fact, if when we remove federal spending and factor in only private sector growth. But, I do not expect a person who actually believes Trump is doing a good job to accept any hard facts about God Ronnie.

BTW, you can erase that 2.9 for Trump. Those numbers were from before he blew it on COVID.

Reagan and the FED also had to fight 22% inflation and 14% interest rates. And again why do think Presidents solely control spending and are solely responsible for resulting deficits or surpluses?

Comparing the Reagan budget requests with the amount of spending Congress actually approved, we conclude:
•Tax cuts had little to do with the explosion of the deficit.The deficits of the 1980s are often blamed on the Reagan tax cuts of 1981. But the problem was not government income. Government receipts had almost doubled, rising from $517 billion in 1980 to $1.031 trillion in 1990.
•Congress outspent Reagan in every year.Congress typically savaged Reagan’s spending requests as draconian and heartless. Then, the appropriators rewrote the budget for their priorities and spent a cumulative$209 billion above Reagan’s requests from 1982-1989.
•Congress spent substantially more on entitlements than Reagan requested.Reagan routinely asked for money-saving entitlement reforms. Congress ignored the reforms and increased benefits and eligibility for entitlements.
•Reagan’s budget requests for the military were consistently higher than the levels Congress appropriated.Congress spent about $80 billion less than Reagan requested on the military, but still spent around $390 billion more on domestic programs.
•Reagan recission requests were ignored.Reagan asked that $43.4 billion of appropriated funds not be spent. Congress approved only $16.5 billion,leaving $26.8 billion spent.
https://www.ipi.org/docLib/reagandf.pdf-OpenElement.pdf

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

99percenter said:
BS. Bush signed the 09 budget. Only $150 billion of the stimulus was spent in 09.

Nope, signed by President Obama in March of 2009.

The Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009 (H.R. 1105, Pub.L. 111–8) is an Act for the United States government that combines bills funding the operations of each of the Cabinet departments, except Defense, Homeland Security, and Veteran Affairs into a single appropriation bill. It was signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 11, 2009.[1]
Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009 - Wikipedia.

99percenter · Jul 15, 2020

Stinger said:
Nope, signed by President Obama in March of 2009.

The Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009 (H.R. 1105, Pub.L. 111–8) is an Act for the United States government that combines bills funding the operations of each of the Cabinet departments, except Defense, Homeland Security, and Veteran Affairs into a single appropriation bill. It was signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 11, 2009.[1]
Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009 - Wikipedia.

Not the budget. Bush signed that in 08. Money can't be spent rectoractively. FY 09 includes oct,nov dec, jan, feb.

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

99percenter said:
You would have an argument but that same republican congress was not able to keep that surplus when a republican president took over. So it was clinton that kept the gop congress in check. Once he was gone they spent through the roof for 6 years and that led to the great bush recession.

There was a recession in 2001 which started mere weeks after Bush took office. The worst deficit was $400B which rapidly fell after Congress accelerated the tax rate cuts and produced a record increase in tax revenues and a falling deficit to just $161B in 2007. The Democrats BEST deficit didn't even come close to the Republicans worst.

But if you are saying spending leads to recessions then surely you do not support the Democrats do you?

99percenter · Jul 15, 2020

Stinger said:
There was a recession in 2001 which started mere weeks after Bush took office. The worst deficit was $400B which rapidly fell after Congress accelerated the tax rate cuts and produced a record increase in tax revenues and a falling deficit to just $161B in 2007. The Democrats BEST deficit didn't even come close to the Republicans worst.

But if you are saying spending leads to recessions then surely you do not support the Democrats do you?

Democrats spend less than republicans.

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

rahl said:
which can't become law until the president signs. He has total authority over it, unless a veto proof majority exists.

What happened in 2008 that required additional spending, and tanked revenues?

I asked you first

What was the FY2007 deficit that was handed over by the Republicans to the Democrats in January of that year? Where was it two years later? Where did it stay for the next three years?

Presidents can only sign budgets sent to them by Congress and when one party controls the Congress and the other the Presidency they are negotiated budgets as was 2008. 2009 was all Democrat signed by President Obama.

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

Conservative said:
No, you showed us your ignorance regarding the budget and Presidential spending. why are you so loyal to the Democratic Party?

Some people seem to believe ex-presidents can still veto budgets.

Conservative · Jul 15, 2020

rahl said:
I just don't understand why you intentionally detach yourself from reality.............

United States Government Spending | 1950-2020 Data | 2021-2022 Forecast | Historical

Reality? The line items in the budget are reality, discretionary spending, mandatory spending, and debt service are reality. The President is responsible for the discretionary spending, Congress entitlement spending and debt service. You post debt without context, blame Trump while ignoring that revenue growth from discretionary tax revenue, the mandatory entitlement cost of living adjustments by Congress and the accumulated debt causing the debt service to become the fourth largest budget item. 7 interest rate hikes since Trump took office, mandatory entitlement cost of living is what boosted the pre pandemic deficits. Now you want to blame Trump for the pandemic stimulus spending that was bipartisan and actually less than the Democrats wanted. Care to explain your position on the pandemic deficits as well as the pre pandemic results?

Conservative · Jul 15, 2020

rahl said:
why do you think making **** up is a valid argument? I never said Obama didn't create ANY part time jobs. I pointed out that he created millions of full time jobs, compared to only a small fraction of part time jobs.

Then post where his economy created millions of full time jobs? I gave you the link, gave you the spreadsheet from BLS, you ignored both sticking to your talking points.

Small fraction of part time jobs? There is a loyalty to Obama that I don't understand. explain that loyalty and tell us why part time jobs never got back to pre recession levels during the entire term of Obama and Trump's numbers blew them away. It isn't a sign of weakness to ask for help understanding the data, it is a sign of maturity. What part of the record numbers of part time jobs created don't you understand? 7-8 million isn't a small number 4300 is

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2008 to 2019
`
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 4846 4902 4904 5220 5286 5540 5930 5851 6148 6690 7311 8029
2009 8046 8796 9145 8908 9113 9024 8891 9029 8847 8979 9114 9098
2010 8530 8936 9233 9178 8845 8577 8500 8800 9246 8837 8873 8935
2011 8470 8464 8645 8652 8576 8427 8281 8788 9166 8657 8447 8171
2012 8305 8238 7775 7913 8101 8072 8082 7974 8671 8203 8166 7943
2013 8151 8178 7722 7964 7937 8103 8099 7816 7764 7936 7718 7827
2014 7296 7299 7435 7509 7254 7422 7402 7177 7020 7025 6898 6856
2015 6808 6671 6629 6608 6628 6383 6249 6423 6043 5811 6174 6084
2016 5941 5978 6066 6006 6467 5748 5926 5995 5918 5971 5738 5621
2017 5753 5603 5455 5279 5234 5266 5281 5237 5179 4912 4866 4986
2018 4982 5115 4969 4952 4920 4736 4588 4368 4656 4630 4781 4657
2019 5147 4310 4499 4654 4355 4347 3984 4381 4350 4438 4322 4148
2020 4182 4318 5765

rahl · Jul 15, 2020

Stinger said:
I asked you first

and I answered.

What was the FY2007 deficit that was handed over by the Republicans to the Democrats in January of that year? Where was it two years later? Where did it stay for the next three years?

What happened in 2008 that required additional spending, and tanked revenues?

Presidents can only sign budgets sent to them by Congress and when one party controls the Congress and the other the Presidency they are negotiated budgets as was 2008. 2009 was all Democrat signed by President Obama.

nope

rahl · Jul 15, 2020

Conservative said:
Reality? The line items in the budget are reality, discretionary spending, mandatory spending, and debt service are reality. The President is responsible for the discretionary spending, Congress entitlement spending and debt service. You post debt without context, blame Trump while ignoring that revenue growth from discretionary tax revenue, the mandatory entitlement cost of living adjustments by Congress and the accumulated debt causing the debt service to become the fourth largest budget item. 7 interest rate hikes since Trump took office, mandatory entitlement cost of living is what boosted the pre pandemic deficits. Now you want to blame Trump for the pandemic stimulus spending that was bipartisan and actually less than the Democrats wanted. Care to explain your position on the pandemic deficits as well as the pre pandemic results?

I literally just proved all of this wrong. As I said, you are intentionally detaching yourself from reality.

rahl · Jul 15, 2020

Conservative said:
Then post where his economy created millions of full time jobs? I gave you the link, gave you the spreadsheet from BLS, you ignored both sticking to your talking points.

The Job Market Under President Obama, In 8 Charts : NPR

Small fraction of part time jobs? There is a loyalty to Obama that I don't understand. explain that loyalty and tell us why part time jobs never got back to pre recession levels during the entire term of Obama and Trump's numbers blew them away. It isn't a sign of weakness to ask for help understanding the data, it is a sign of maturity. What part of the record numbers of part time jobs created don't you understand? 7-8 million isn't a small number 4300 is

This has been refuted.

Conservative · Jul 15, 2020

rahl said:
I literally just proved all of this wrong. As I said, you are intentionally detaching yourself from reality.

You must be posting in some other forum because you have done no such thing

Conservative · Jul 15, 2020

rahl said:
The Job Market Under President Obama, In 8 Charts : NPR

This has been refuted.

There you go again, ask your teach to explain context to you. the U-3 includes anyone employed including the under employed, do you really think people working part time jobs for economic reasons, unable to find a full time job, give a damn about the U-3? Do you even know the difference? Those charts are nothing but left wing propaganda to appeal to those liberal minions who are easily manipulated

Let me break it down for you, when the recession started there were 146 million people employed and 4.8 million part time jobs for economic reasons, when Obama left office there were 152 million employed and 5.7 million part time jobs for economic reasons. So during the Obama term and the last year of Bush 6 million jobs were created and of the 152 million Trump inherited there were 5.7 million part time jobs for economic reasons. In three years that number was 4.3 million and 158 million employed. Who do you think those newly created full time employees are going to vote for?

Why do you buy charts and ignore context?

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

rahl said:
and I answered.

No you didn't

What was the FY2007 deficit that was handed over by the Republicans to the Democrats in January of that year? Where was it two years later? Where did it stay for the next three years?

nope

Yep

"Presidents can only sign budgets sent to them by Congress and when one party controls the Congress and the other the Presidency they are negotiated budgets as was 2008. 2009 was all Democrat signed by President Obama."

Explain how a President can sign a budget unless Congress sends it to him.
Explain how President Bush could have signed the 2009 Democrat budget.

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

99percenter said:
Democrats spend less than republicans.

Prove it then, show the rates of spending increase under Democrat Congresses and Republican Congresses.

Stinger · Jul 15, 2020

99percenter said:
Not the budget. Bush signed that in 08. Money can't be spent rectoractively. FY 09 includes oct,nov dec, jan, feb.

No that IS the budget. Bush signed a continuing resolution to keep the government from shutting down while the Democrats waiting for a President Obama to take office THEN they passed the Omnibus Spending bill and sent it to him including his additional spending request.

99percenter · Jul 15, 2020

Stinger said:
Prove it then, show the rates of spending increase under Democrat Congresses and Republican Congresses.

Moving the goalposts. I was talking about presidents.