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Waiting for you to post the link on how much Trump increased spending in 2018-2020 pre pandemic? Then waiting for you to explain your solution to the economic shutdown as it obviously must be very special that you have no problem blaming a Republican and never blaming any Democrat. What a wonderful liberal utopia you must live in!

Seems to me that 2020 pandemic stimulus was bipartisan yet Trump gets the blame. You seem to have a problem understanding return on investment for the debt generated, without the stimulus how many people would be unemployed? Isn't that a return on investment?

Do you honestly believe people getting to keep more of what they earn from tax cuts has them concerned about the U.S. debt?? How about collecting something from the 45% of income earners not paying any FIT?
 
Conservative said:
Then post the data supporting your claims? Amazing how you look at results and not policies that generated those results. Obama promoted the public sector and lost the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Senate in 14-16. Democrats lost the WH in 16 and Senate in 18. Doesn't bode well for liberal economic policies

Sustained growth to you means what, a simple dollar improvement over last year? Can you explain why Obama's GDP growth was 530 billion a year and Trumps over 900 billion a year? How about the components of GDP, Trump's consumer spending growth of 600 billion per year vs. Obama's 300 billion per year? Seems that you buy rhetoric but never verify it
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So you don't understand what a trend line is lol. Every economic metric has been on the same unchanging trend line since 2010. The policies the democrats and Obama implemented led to that. All republicans have done since, is EXPLODE the deficit and debt again, and it hasn't changed any of the economic trends.
 
99percenter said:
Is that a joke question? Tons of money was spent.
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Yes, tons of money spent every year still no answer to the question as to where the link is for the 20 million jobs you claim obama created?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, tons of money spent every year still no answer to the question as to where the link is for the 20 million jobs you claim obama created?
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Barack Obama (2009-2017)



President Barack Obama


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President Obama created 8.9 million jobs by the end of December 2016, a 6.2% increase. There were 152.3 million people employed at the end of his term. That's compared to the 143.4 million people who were working at the end of the Bush administration.

But that doesn't give the total picture. The economy lost 8.5 million jobs as a result of the 2008 financial crisis. It kept shedding them until December 2009. Since that low point, Obama created 16 million jobs, an 11.6% increase. If measured that way, Obama created the third-highest total number of jobs.

Obama attacked the Great Recession with the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. It created jobs through public works. Many of those jobs were in construction. That successfully reduced the unemployment rate. But that meant Obama increased the debt by $8.6 trillion, a 74% increase. That drove the debt-to-gross domestic product ratio to 104%.

It didn't stimulate demand as much as creating the same number of better paying high-tech jobs. In fact, after the last few recessions, jobs created have led to greater income inequality, as rehired workers became willing to take jobs that paid less. The high level of long-term unemployed and underemployed meant that trend only continued.

Job creation would have been stronger during Obama's term if Congress hadn't passed sequestration. In his last FOMC meeting, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke noted that these austerity measures forced the government to shed 600,000 jobs in four years. In the prior recovery, the economy added 400,000 jobs during the same period.​
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Job Creation by President: Number and Percent
 
rahl said:
So you don't understand what a trend line is lol. Every economic metric has been on the same unchanging trend line since 2010. The policies the democrats and Obama implemented led to that. All republicans have done since, is EXPLODE the deficit and debt again, and it hasn't changed any of the economic trends.
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I gave you the actual link which obviously you ignored or failed to understand, trends don't matter, dollar growth does. you can increase growth $1 per year for ever and have sustained growth. the link I gave you showed Obama averaged 530 billion per year in GDP growth during his administration, Trump 900 billion per year growth and the breakdown is stark. Obama's growth was due mostly to gov't spending, Trump's consumer spending. now you tell me which component indicates economic success?

I am waiting for you to post the data showing the line items that exploded the debt as you claim, you make wild claims showing partisanship and no understanding of the budget. The left loves having people like you promoting the false liberal narrative.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, tons of money spent every year still no answer to the question as to where the link is for the 20 million jobs you claim obama created?
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Don't change the subject. How was money spent in fy 2009 for oct, nov, dec, jan, feb if the budget was signed in march 2009? News flash it wasn't. Bush proposed the budget in Feb 2008 and it was approved by the house in June 5, 2008.

2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The United States federal budget for fiscal year 2009 began as a spending request submitted by President George W. Bush to the 110th Congress. The final resolution written and submitted by the 110th Congress to be forwarded to the President was approved by the House on June 5, 2008.[5]
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rahl said:
Job Creation by President: Number and Percent
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Awesome, BLS data shows the official numbers which of course you ignored. do you know what the U-6 unemployment rate is and what a part time job for economic reason is? Context matters except to you who wants to promote the bottom line GDP number not context and the employment numbers again without context. You really are loyal to the liberal ideology.

You think people respond to percentage change? How about full time vs. part time jobs? does this resonate with you?

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million February 2020 so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!!

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics


U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed


Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office


African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?
 
Conservative said:
Awesome, BLS data shows the official numbers which of course you ignored. do you know what the U-6 unemployment rate is and what a part time job for economic reason is? Context matters except to you who wants to promote the bottom line GDP number not context and the employment numbers again without context. You really are loyal to the liberal ideology.

You think people respond to percentage change? How about full time vs. part time jobs? does this resonate with you?

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million February 2020 so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!!

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics


U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed


Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office


African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?
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Not sure why you keep lying. Obama wasn't president in 2008. Obama created 20 million jobs while trump lost 30 million. Those are the results you continue to ignore.
 
99percenter said:
Don't change the subject. How was money spent in fy 2009 for oct, nov, dec, jan, feb if the budget was signed in march 2009? News flash it wasn't. Bush proposed the budget in Feb 2008 and it was approved by the house in June 5, 2008.

2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia
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Do you know what a continuing resolution is? There is certainly a loyalty to liberalism by a typical Chicago political hack incapable of understanding data
 
99percenter said:
Not sure why you keep lying. Obama wasn't president in 2008. Obama created 20 million jobs while trump lost 30 million. Those are the results you continue to ignore.
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No he wasn't he was part of the Congress controlled by the Democrats and regardless of who was in office 146 million people were employed, 152 million when he left office where were the shovel ready jobs and massive job creation promised by the stimulus? Where is the link to 20 million jobs created by Obama?
 
Conservative said:
Do you know what a continuing resolution is? There is certainly a loyalty to liberalism by a typical Chicago political hack incapable of understanding data
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CRs are budget. If you dont count them then you can only attribute 1 trillion in debt to obama because obama had a republican house for 6 years and they refused to pass a budget.
 
Conservative said:
No he wasn't he was part of the Congress controlled by the Democrats and regardless of who was in office 146 million people were employed, 152 million when he left office where were the shovel ready jobs and massive job creation promised by the stimulus? Where is the link to 20 million jobs created by Obama?
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Until you accept that you are lying about Obama creating 6 million jobs I cannot help you. Do that first and then I will show you.
 
99percenter said:
CRs are budget. If you dont count them then you can only attribute 1 trillion in debt to obama because obama had a republican house for 6 years and they refused to pass a budget.
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They AREN'T, they are spending authorizations. I am waiting for you to explain how much of a spending increase Trump has generated here is help

U.S. Federal Budget Breakdown
 
99percenter said:
Until you accept that you are lying about Obama creating 6 million jobs I cannot help you. Do that first and then I will show you.
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you need to help yourself no verifiable link shows 20 million Obama created jobs, just a typical Chicago lie
 
Conservative said:
you need to help yourself no verifiable link shows 20 million Obama created jobs, just a typical Chicago lie
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Can you prove obama created 6 millions jobs? You can't. So you continue to just dodge.
 
99percenter said:
Can you prove obama created 6 millions jobs? You can't. So you continue to just dodge.
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I can prove that 6 million jobs were created from April 2008 to January 2017 not 20 as you claim. It is quite amazing how great the Obama economic policies were that only 152 million people were employed when he left office and 158.6 million three years later under Trump generating over 2 trillion in Federal tax revenue to fund 1.48 trillion discretionary spending
 
Conservative said:
I can prove that 6 million jobs were created from April 2008 to January 2017 not 20 as you claim. It is quite amazing how great the Obama economic policies were that only 152 million people were employed when he left office and 158.6 million three years later under Trump generating over 2 trillion in Federal tax revenue to fund 1.48 trillion discretionary spending
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Obama wasn't president in 2008. Until you accept you are lying about 6 million jobs I will not be able to educate you on the 20 million jobs created by obama.
 
Conservative said:
I gave you the actual link which obviously you ignored or failed to understand, trends don't matter, dollar growth does.
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lol, economic trend lines don't matter?

you can increase growth $1 per year for ever and have sustained growth. the link I gave you showed Obama averaged 530 billion per year in GDP growth during his administration, Trump 900 billion per year growth and the breakdown is stark. Obama's growth was due mostly to gov't spending, Trump's consumer spending. now you tell me which component indicates economic success?
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and I refuted this.
I am waiting for you to post the data showing the line items that exploded the debt as you claim, you make wild claims showing partisanship and no understanding of the budget. The left loves having people like you promoting the false liberal narrative.
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you've been given the budgets for 2008-2020 showing the deficit and debt explosion.
 
Conservative said:
Awesome, BLS data shows the official numbers which of course you ignored. do you know what the U-6 unemployment rate is and what a part time job for economic reason is? Context matters except to you who wants to promote the bottom line GDP number not context and the employment numbers again without context. You really are loyal to the liberal ideology.

You think people respond to percentage change? How about full time vs. part time jobs? does this resonate with you?

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million February 2020 so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!!

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics


U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed


Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office


African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?
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So you can't comprehend what you actually read. I just showed you the jobs Obama created, totaling 16 million. UE is not measured by U6, and never has been, so it's irrelevant to anything being discussed. The facts remain, as evidenced by all available economic data, trump has not performed as well as Obama on any economic front.
 
99percenter said:
Obama wasn't president in 2008. Until you accept you are lying about 6 million jobs I will not be able to educate you on the 20 million jobs created by obama.
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Thank you Obama for giving us Trump!
 
rahl said:
lol, economic trend lines don't matter?


and I refuted this.

you've been given the budgets for 2008-2020 showing the deficit and debt explosion.
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You have no idea what you are talking about and what caused the deficits
 
rahl said:
So you can't comprehend what you actually read. I just showed you the jobs Obama created, totaling 16 million. UE is not measured by U6, and never has been, so it's irrelevant to anything being discussed. The facts remain, as evidenced by all available economic data, trump has not performed as well as Obama on any economic front.
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Where did you get your education? U6 measures economic success, U3 the under employed are counted as employed. Your ignorance of this data is staggering
 
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