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Vern said:
sorry MR, you thought republicans were going to cut the deficit if not balance the budget. Oh how you and yours cheered their flaming hypocrite lies about deficits. You believed everything they said no matter how many times they proved they were flaming lying hypocrites concerning deficits.



In addition to proving republicans were flaming lying hypocrites concerning deficits, you were told they would balloon the deficit first chance they got. And they did exactly that. so instead of admitting they played you for fools we get the "democrats would be worse".
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You're so preprogrammed you can't see the forest through the trees. I never once said that Republicans didn't suck at the debt and the deficit. I merely said that Democrats would explode the debt more than the Republicans. Both parties suck at it.
 
marke said:
Of course both democrats and republicans show little evidence of concern about the increasing dangerous debt, but the democrats tend to criticize republicans for balking at expansive new spending programs while claiming the US is not in debt danger and does not have to pay back its debt.

We don't need a democrat president controlling the nomination of federal judges because democrats tend to favor judges who will fight to convert the US into a godless amoral Marxist subservient nation among all ungodly nations of the ungodly world. We don't need any more judges willing to force America to turn over vast sums of wealth to poor nations to fight global warming, hunger, poverty, Christianity and so forth, and we don't need judges telling Christians they cannot exercise their religious views in public in America. We don't need judges willing to break laws to persecute a sitting president and jail his associates on trumped-up false charges. We don't need any more judges calling evil good and good evil, turning democrat crooks free and jailing republicans on rumors and false charges.

We don't need any more judges refusing to obey the law and drop cases against innocent American heroes found wrongly persecuted by demonic democrat forces. And so forth.
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We were talking about the debt and then you went off on a tangent talking about judges.
 
Moderate Right said:
You're so preprogrammed you can't see the forest through the trees. I never once said that Republicans didn't suck at the debt and the deficit. I merely said that Democrats would explode the debt more than the Republicans. Both parties suck at it.
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You can post a conservatives own words but you cant make him read. anyhoo MR, you absolutely did say "republicans dont suck concerning deficits". Let me post it again. Try to read it this time

Moderate Right said:
Republicans are against adding to the already too high deficit. Republicans are against even more stimulus than we already had. .
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And let me type this slowly for you so you dont get confused. They are only against adding to the deficit if a democrat is president. You even thought they were against more stimulus. Their current actions only prove they're against more stimulus when a democrat is president. Their only complaint with the current stimulus being 2-3 times President Obama's stimulus was mean ole dems made them wait 3 days. And democrats are absolutely better than republicans when it comes to deficits. Reagan tripled the debt. Bush doubled the debt. Clinton left a surplus and President Obama cut the trillion dollar Bush Deficits in half. You have to ignore the facts to cling to a delusional narrative.

Democrats are perfectly reasonable when it comes to deficits. Republicans are simply liars. But oddly even though you now know republicans lied to you non-stop about deficits you still think they're better.
 
Vern said:
You can post a conservatives own words but you cant make him read. anyhoo MR, you absolutely did say "republicans dont suck concerning deficits". Let me post it again. Try to read it this time



And let me type this slowly for you so you dont get confused. They are only against adding to the deficit if a democrat is president. You even thought they were against more stimulus. Their current actions only prove they're against more stimulus when a democrat is president. Their only complaint with the current stimulus being 2-3 times President Obama's stimulus was mean ole dems made them wait 3 days. And democrats are absolutely better than republicans when it comes to deficits. Reagan tripled the debt. Bush doubled the debt. Clinton left a surplus and President Obama cut the trillion dollar Bush Deficits in half. You have to ignore the facts to cling to a delusional narrative.

Democrats are perfectly reasonable when it comes to deficits. Republicans are simply liars. But oddly even though you now know republicans lied to you non-stop about deficits you still think they're better.
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You pulled something up from years ago and passed it off as recent. Par for the course for you.
 
gdgyva said:
this isnt a D or and R issue.....this is an American issue....and has been for many many years now....and our congress just keeps sweeping it under the rug hoping no one will notice the problem
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sorry gd, it is an D and R issue. And its quite possibly a mental health issue. You probably think the deficit needs to be zero. And the deficit should be reduced exactly the Clinton did it (which is exactly what President Obama tried to do) by limiting spending and raising taxes on those who can afford it. And he left a surplus. what happened to that again? the same thing that happened to the low deficit President Obama left. Have you noticed a pattern yet? probably not. Anyhoo, reducing the deficit just to reduce the deficit is simply not good economic or political policy. So not only are Democrats better at deficits than republicans, the republicans made fools out of ever conservative concerning deficits....again
 
Vern said:
sorry gd, it is an D and R issue. And its quite possibly a mental health issue. You probably think the deficit needs to be zero. And the deficit should be reduced exactly the Clinton did it (which is exactly what President Obama tried to do) by limiting spending and raising taxes on those who can afford it. And he left a surplus. what happened to that again? the same thing that happened to the low deficit President Obama left. Have you noticed a pattern yet? probably not. Anyhoo, reducing the deficit just to reduce the deficit is simply not good economic or political policy. So not only are Democrats better at deficits than republicans, the republicans made fools out of ever conservative concerning deficits....again
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yes Vern...D's good...R's bad....we know what you think

goodbye Vern....like talking to a brick wall
 
gdgyva said:
yes Vern...D's good...R's bad....we know what you think

goodbye Vern....like talking to a brick wall
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Gd, here’s a crazy idea. instead of whining about me, respond to my post. At a debate forum!?!? That is crazy.
 
code1211 said:
Don't you just hate it when a poster edits your words
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I have done nothing of the sort! Your argument has been refuted and you chose to repost your concession speech. Thanks... i guess
 
Moderate Right said:
You pulled something up from years ago and passed it off as recent. Par for the course for you.
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MR, you're simply looking for an excuse to not discuss the facts I've posted. Since I didnt give you a reason you had to make one up. I brought up that old quote to prove my point that you thought republicans wanted to lower the deficit if not balance the budget. Now that you find out they've played you and every conservative for fools we get the "both sides" crap. And in spite of the documented facts, you still think republicans are better.

And MR, what makes your post extra dishonest or delusional is that you said

Moderate Right said:
. I never once said that Republicans didn't suck at the debt and the deficit.
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You got the word "never" in there. so not only did I not in any way imply your post was recent, I get to go back to the dawn of time to see if you said it. and fyi, I promised to remind you of exactly what you said

Vern said:
and just so you know, I'll going to be reminding you of this hilarious delusion "Republicans are against adding to the already too high deficit".
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So enough with your dishonest deflections, please address my post. thanks in advance.
 
Vern said:
MR, you're simply looking for an excuse to not discuss the facts I've posted. Since I didnt give you a reason you had to make one up. I brought up that old quote to prove my point that you thought republicans wanted to lower the deficit if not balance the budget. Now that you find out they've played you and every conservative for fools we get the "both sides" crap. And in spite of the documented facts, you still think republicans are better.

And MR, what makes your post extra dishonest or delusional is that you said



You got the word "never" in there. so not only did I not in any way imply your post was recent, I get to go back to the dawn of time to see if you said it. and fyi, I promised to remind you of exactly what you said



So enough with your dishonest deflections, please address my post. thanks in advance.
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Oh Vernie, you simply don't want to discuss the fact that neither party cares a damn about the debt and you certainly don't yourself. I'll give you the opportunity right now to declare that the national debt is important to you and that you want it decreased. While at it you can also state that you don't want Medicare For All, infrastructure, the increase of programs for the poor, more Covid stimulous, and spending billions or trillions of dollars fighting a losing battle against mother nature. Now's the time for you to either put up or shut up. I doubt you can do either.
 
Moderate Right said:
Oh Vernie, you simply don't want to discuss the fact that neither party cares a damn about the debt and you certainly don't yourself. I'll give you the opportunity right now to declare that the national debt is important to you and that you want it decreased. While at it you can also state that you don't want Medicare For All, infrastructure, the increase of programs for the poor, more Covid stimulous, and spending billions or trillions of dollars fighting a losing battle against mother nature. Now's the time for you to either put up or shut up. I doubt you can do either.
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I'm beginning to think that english is your second language. I suspected as much when you couldn't even read your own posts. Anyhoo, it is simply not a "fact" that neither party cares a damn about the debt. that is just your deluded opinion. And I'm happy to discuss it. And the first part of the discussion involves your original obedient opinion (OOO for short) that republicans really really really wanted to lower the deficit if not balance the budget. Now that the widdle conservative found out he was "wied" to about his OOO, we get "wah wah nobody cares" post.

I'm guessing in your native language "caring" equates to "it has to be zero". Thats not the case in the english language. Democrats care about the deficit but they dont obsess about it, pander to an ignorant base and get them worked up just to balloon it the first chance they get. If Democrats didnt care, Clinton and President Obama wouldnt have reduced the deficits they inherited. If republicans were better at, Reagan wouldnt have tripled the national debt and Bush wouldnt have doubled it. those are facts. Lets discuss them.
 
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Vern said:
I'm beginning to think that english is your second language. I suspected as much when you couldn't even read your own posts. Anyhoo, it is simply not a "fact" that neither party cares a damn about the debt. that is just your deluded opinion. And I'm happy to discuss it. And the first part of the discussion involves your original obedient opinion (OOO for short) that republicans really really really wanted to lower the deficit if not balance the budget. Now that the widdle conservative found out he was "wied" to about his OOO, we get "wah wah nobody cares" post.

I'm guessing in your native language "caring" equates to "it has to be zero". Thats not the case in the english language. Democrats care about the deficit but they dont obsess about it, pander to an ignorant base and get them worked up just to balloon it the first chance they get. If Democrats didnt care, Clinton and President Obama wouldnt have reduced the deficits they inherited. If republicans were better at, Reagan wouldnt have tripled the national debt and Bush wouldnt have doubled it. those are facts. Lets discuss them.
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I'll give you the opportunity right now to declare that the national debt is important to you and that you want it decreased. While at it you can also state that you don't want Medicare For All, infrastructure, the increase of programs for the poor, more Covid stimulous, and spending billions or trillions of dollars fighting a losing battle against mother nature. Now's the time for you to either put up or shut up. I doubt you can do either.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'll give you the opportunity right now to declare that the national debt is important to you and that you want it decreased. While at it you can also state that you don't want Medicare For All, infrastructure, the increase of programs for the poor, more Covid stimulous, and spending billions or trillions of dollars fighting a losing battle against mother nature. Now's the time for you to either put up or shut up. I doubt you can do either.
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MR, I care. I dont obsess. You obsessed about it and your conservative masters played you and every conservative for fools and used it for their political gain. Now you're butt hurt and whine like a child "wah wah nobody cares". You need to get over your butt hurt and hold republican accountable and give democrats credit for being better at debt than republican. . Again, lets discuss the facts, not your deluded butt hurt opinion that it has to be reduced or that "caring" about it means I'm against spending any money.
 
Vern said:
MR, I care. I dont obsess. You obsessed about it and your conservative masters played you and every conservative for fools and used it for their political gain. Now you're butt hurt and whine like a child "wah wah nobody cares". You need to get over your butt hurt and hold republican accountable and give democrats credit for being better at debt than republican. . Again, lets discuss the facts, not your deluded butt hurt opinion that it has to be reduced or that "caring" about it means I'm against spending any money.
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I'll give you the opportunity right now to declare that the national debt is important to you and that you want it decreased. While at it you can also state that you don't want Medicare For All, infrastructure, the increase of programs for the poor, more Covid stimulous, and spending billions or trillions of dollars fighting a losing battle against mother nature. Now's the time for you to either put up or shut up. I doubt you can do either.
 
OrphanSlug said:
If you really read my post for a moment you would realize that I am talking about reason for debt, so define for us the "unsustainable" part.
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US Fed: National Debt Growth 'Is Not Sustainable' - USdayNEWS

Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell has admitted current economic policy and National Debt Growth is “not sustainable”, but that it is not its job to fix it.


What does that mean, "not sustainable?" That is like whispering to a large crowd without wanting to alarm them that our economy is in

Big Trouble!
 
marke said:
US Fed: National Debt Growth 'Is Not Sustainable' - USdayNEWS

Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell has admitted current economic policy and National Debt Growth is “not sustainable”, but that it is not its job to fix it.


What does that mean, "not sustainable?" That is like whispering to a large crowd without wanting to alarm them that our economy is in

Big Trouble!
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8 month old article.

Predictably, you did not read all of that article or simply did not understand.

Chairman Jerome Powell warned lawmakers Wednesday that the National Debt Growth could hamper Congress’ ability to support the economy in a downturn, urging them to put the budget “on a sustainable path.”

“Ultimately in the long run that’s not a sustainable place to be,” he said. Powell continued: “How to fix that — it’s easy to say that — how do you do that and when do you do that is an issue that is up to you and not to us.”
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What that means is the economy was moving along but our budget path and debt additions did not match economic need, during good times there was no reason for Trump to hand out tax breaks and inflate the deficit. We should have been narrowing the deficit but that was not good enough for Trump.

It puts us in a bad position to add debt quickly when there is economic downturn.

Like now... with coronavirus economic fallout.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'll give you the opportunity right now to declare that the national debt is important to you and that you want it decreased. While at it you can also state that you don't want Medicare For All, infrastructure, the increase of programs for the poor, more Covid stimulous, and spending billions or trillions of dollars fighting a losing battle against mother nature. Now's the time for you to either put up or shut up. I doubt you can do either.
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MR, thank you for another opportunity to agree with your butt hurt opinion of debt. Sadly I have to refuse yet again. I would rather discuss the facts. Facts like this: You obsessed about debt and your conservative masters played you and every conservative for fools and used it for their political gain. Democrats are better with debt that republicans.

You need to get over your butt hurt and hold republican accountable and give democrats credit for being better at debt than republican. Again, lets discuss the facts, not your deluded butt hurt opinion that it has to be reduced or that "caring" about it means I'm against spending any money.
 
I will make a prediction. The day after Biden is sworn in, the Tea Party people will be screaming about the deficit again.
 
Vern said:
MR, thank you for another opportunity to agree with your butt hurt opinion of debt. Sadly I have to refuse yet again. I would rather discuss the facts. Facts like this: You obsessed about debt and your conservative masters played you and every conservative for fools and used it for their political gain. Democrats are better with debt that republicans.

You need to get over your butt hurt and hold republican accountable and give democrats credit for being better at debt than republican. Again, lets discuss the facts, not your deluded butt hurt opinion that it has to be reduced or that "caring" about it means I'm against spending any money.
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The fact is, you want to add to the debt and add substantially to the debt. That's the fact.
 
Moderate Right said:
The fact is, you want to add to the debt and add substantially to the debt. That's the fact.
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Do you fully grasp that the government has the power to pay off the debt anytime they like? Its not a house budget. When you have the power to create money, you can pay off any debt with money you have the power to issue. Sooner or later this essential concept will replace gold era ideas about the money supply.
 
Vadinho said:
I will make a prediction. The day after Biden is sworn in, the Tea Party people will be screaming about the deficit again.
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Why do democrats not want to address the unsustainable debt crisis? Are they fiscally ignorant? Are they deceived? Do they think bills just magically pay themselves and we can spend as much as we like for as long as we like with no negative consequences whatsoever?

Vote republican in 2020. Help keep some sensible people in office who understand the debt must be paid to avoid bankruptcy.
 
Vadinho said:
Do you fully grasp that the government has the power to pay off the debt anytime they like? Its not a house budget. When you have the power to create money, you can pay off any debt with money you have the power to issue. Sooner or later this essential concept will replace gold era ideas about the money supply.
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That sort of national counterfeiting has never worked in other nations in history. The only reason America is getting away with it now is because the US dollar is the world currency, but that will change if something is not done to stop the counterfeiting. Other world nations are already discussing going off the dollar standard. If that happens the American dummies will discover they have been wrong the whole time in their stupid assumptions that the US can never go bankrupt or will never have to pay its debts like every other nation in the world.

Help protect what little sanity we still have in American fiscal policy. Vote republican in 2020.
 
Kushinator said:
I have done nothing of the sort! Your argument has been refuted and you chose to repost your concession speech. Thanks... i guess
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You seem to unaware of your actions.

You may need to check that out.
 
Vadinho said:
Do you fully grasp that the government has the power to pay off the debt anytime they like? Its not a house budget. When you have the power to create money, you can pay off any debt with money you have the power to issue. Sooner or later this essential concept will replace gold era ideas about the money supply.
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First, you butted into a conversation where Vernie was refusing to admit that he wants to add to the debt while complaining that Republicans are bad for the debt. That's called hypocrisy. Second, if you actually read my posts to Marke you would see that I do understand how the national debt and fiat currencies work. Third, while technically correct that we could "pay off" the debt anytime we wanted to, you somehow fail to mention that by doing that the value of the dollar would plummet and we would have hyperinflation and economic devastation, which is why we don't actually do that.
 
code1211 said:
You seem to unaware of your actions.
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I didn't edit anything that you've posted, to do so would be against the rules. That you've chosen to whine about me as opposed to responding to what i've written... typical behavior for you when challenged.
 
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