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FY2019 Budget Infographics.

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The deficits came down, not because legislation was PASSED, but because it WASN'T; the Dem house exercised a little adult supervision on Obama's drive to tax and spend us to economic nirvana. But you are correct that the economy bounced back - because investors, business people, lenders, consumers and entrepreneurs saw that Obama's "you didn't build that" mentality was being curtailed by Dems. Which is way in subsequent elections Dems lost more and more seats.

Actually, PAYGO rules were passed in 2010, and sequestration was passed in 2014. That was the primary cause of reducing the increase in spending, which allowed the tax base to catch up.
 
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Post 174 isn't on Netflix or any other fiction channel you watch. Explain how a 1.47 trillion dollar discretionary budget funded by over 2 trillion in taxes causes Trillion dollar deficits

U.S. Federal Budget Breakdown

Interest on the U.S. debt is forecast to be $479 billion. Interest on the approximate $23 trillion debt is the fastest-growing federal expense, expected to double by 2028.

The government expects to spend $4.746 trillion in 2020. Almost 60% of that pays for mandated benefits such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid—the mandatory spending category.

The remaining $1.4 trillion pays for everything else. This is called discretionary spending. The U.S. Congress changes this amount each year, using the president's budget as a starting point.


The budget estimated that mandatory spending would be $2.841 trillion in FY 2020. This category includes entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, unemployment compensation, and others.

Social Security was expected to be the biggest expense at $1.102 trillion, followed by Medicare at $679 billion, then Medicaid at $418 billion.

Social Security costs are currently 100% covered by payroll taxes and interest on investments.
The discretionary budget for 2020 is $1.426 trillion. More than half goes toward military spending, including the Department of Veterans Affairs and other defense-related departments. The rest must pay for all other domestic programs. The largest of these programs are Health and Human Services, Education, and Housing and Urban Development.
Income taxes contribute $1.824 trillion or 50% of total receipts

Social Security, Medicare, and other payroll taxes add $1.295 trillion or 36%

Corporate taxes supply $255 billion or 7%

Excise taxes and tariffs contribute $157 billion or 4%

Earnings from the Federal Reserve's holdings add $49 billion or 2%. Those are interest payments on the U.S. Treasury debt the Fed acquired through quantitative easing.

Estate taxes and other miscellaneous revenue supply the remaining 2%
POINT PROVEN!!!

Discretionary spending 1.426

Discretionary Revenue from taxes that pay for discretionary spending

FIT 1.825 trillion
CIT .255 billion
Excise and TARIFFS 157 billion

Let's see you do the math do all those add up to more than the discretionary budget PLUS interest expense?

• Defense: $633 billion
• Health and Human Services: $106 billion
• Veterans Affairs: $93 billion
• Education: $72 billion
• Housing and Urban Development: $57 billion
• Homeland Security: $48 billion
• State: $48 billion
• Energy: $39 billion
• Justice: $32 billion
• NASA: $23 billion
 
uh, that chart is from the bureau of labor statistics. It shows the trend began in 2010, and did not change at all under trump.
look closer - it goes almost flat in 2016; less tha .2% change across the year; contrasted by .6% in 2017 under trump.
 
look closer - it goes almost flat in 2016; less tha .2% change across the year; contrasted by .6% in 2017 under trump.
the trend did not change, as I showed you. Sorry.
 
the trend did not change, as I showed you. Sorry.
Yeah it did - here’s the details:
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Notice 2016 starts at 4.9% and ends with 4.7% Trump starts with 4.7% and ends at 4.1%.
 
Yeah it did - here’s the details:
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Notice 2016 starts at 4.9% and ends with 4.7% Trump starts with 4.7% and ends at 4.1%.

This statement carries no value. The unemployment rate had been trending down well before Trump even hinted at running in 2016.
 
The economy was slowing when Trump came to office. It was not horrible bit not great. Trump has been very Keynesian in stimulating the economy with deficit spending
That's just wrong. The growth rate of the economy was slowing after the longest period of continuous growth in the countries modern history. djt's tax cuts to stimulate growth in a growing economy is stunningly backwards (and not Keynesian).
 
The economy was slowing when Trump came to office. It was not horrible bit not great. Trump has been very Keynesian in stimulating the economy with deficit spending

What is the logic behind growing deficits when unemployment was trending below 5%? It's not Keynesian, and more neo-mercantilist if anything.
 
This statement carries no value. The unemployment rate had been trending down well before Trump even hinted at running in 2016.
LOL, and the economy was treending up until it fell into recession - trends are ephimeral at best. Trump didn’t inherit the “trend” driven by a bounce-back from the recession, he inherited the economy in the state it was in on January 20 2017. AS I showed unemployment had leveled out and GDP for 2016 was a dismal 1.6%, even lower than Obama’s lifetime 2.3%.
 
LOL, and the economy was treending up until it fell into recession

But it didn't go into recession during the Obama administration.

Trump didn’t inherit the “trend” driven by a bounce-back from the recession, he inherited the economy in the state it was in on January 20 2017.

Trump inherited 4.7% unemployment and a fiscal budget deficit of $660 billion. Deficit growth continued to boost aggregate demand as referenced by the continued downward trend in the unemployment rate.

AS I showed unemployment had leveled out and GDP for 2016 was a dismal 1.6%, even lower than Obama’s lifetime 2.3%.

The U.S. oil market collapsed in the beginning of 2016 and the Fed began raising interest rates. You're simply employing a cheap Texas sharpshooter fallacy and are not even aware.
 
What is the logic behind growing deficits when unemployment was trending below 5%? It's not Keynesian, and more neo-mercantilist if anything.

Very poor logic, the deficit should have been shrinking from 2017 to 2019. A deficit in 2020 that was growing was logical
 
Yeah it did - here’s the details:
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Notice 2016 starts at 4.9% and ends with 4.7% Trump starts with 4.7% and ends at 4.1%.
thank you for proving my point. Nothing changed under trump. The trend continued on the same pace, until the pandemic hit.
 
thank you for proving my point. Nothing changed under trump. The trend continued on the same pace, until the pandemic hit.
Seriously? Numbers are not your strong suit, are they?
 
Great, then you are aware that nothing changed under trump. Every economic metric remained on the same unchanging trend line from 2010-pandemic.
 
Great, then you are aware that nothing changed under trump. Every economic metric remained on the same unchanging trend line from 2010-pandemic.
Sure, nothing but lower tax rates, fewer regulations, emphasis on producing our own energy. More jobs for POC, more job openings than candidates to fill them. Consumer and business optimism through the roof. Unemployment, which had been virtual flat through 2016 dropped 25% in Trump first three years, including record lows for women and POC.
 
Sure, nothing but lower tax rates, fewer regulations, emphasis on producing our own energy. More jobs for POC, more job openings than candidates to fill them. Consumer and business optimism through the roof. Unemployment, which had been virtual flat through 2016 dropped 25% in Trump first three years, including record lows for women and POC.
Nope. All of the above were on the same trend line. Tax cuts for corporations and the richest 1% had no positive effect on the economy other than a single quarter mild sugar high. Then the deficit exploded, like it always does when republicans are in power.
 
Unemployment, which had been virtual flat through 2016 dropped 25%

Your logical fallacy is: Texas Sharpshooter

This comment purposefully ignores economic conditions of 2016, along with deficit reduction / end of QE.

in Trump first three years, including record lows for women and POC.

All we need to do is look at the raw employment numbers and see how they grew:

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We don't see a surge in employment growth... instead it's a continuation of a trend established long ago. Have you ever analyzed the history of employment growth leading up to a downturn? Of course not! It wouldn't even occur to someone of your knowledge base.

Fact: for every business cycle, employment grows at least in trend until recession. It doesn't matter if it's 2008, 2001, 1981, or 1948.
 
Your logical fallacy is: Texas Sharpshooter

This comment purposefully ignores economic conditions of 2016, along with deficit reduction / end of QE.



All we need to do is look at the raw employment numbers and see how they grew:

fredgraph.png


We don't see a surge in employment growth... instead it's a continuation of a trend established long ago. Have you ever analyzed the history of employment growth leading up to a downturn? Of course not! It wouldn't even occur to someone of your knowledge base.

Fact: for every business cycle, employment grows at least in trend until recession. It doesn't matter if it's 2008, 2001, 1981, or 1948.
You guys never get tired of posting meaningless charts, do you? I’ve already posted a chart focusing on the last YEAR of Obama’s term - the economic state Trump actually inherited. This chart does has one redeeming value however; Notice the peak value in 2020 - now draw a horizonal line back to intersect Obama’s “trend” - just eyeballing it looks like it took Obama well into 2015 - the next to last year of Obama’s term to match the employment Trump managed to attain WHILE FIGHTING A PANDEMIC. A similar chart of unemployment would show similar result: Trump’s echo took a gut punch and sprung back to lower UE to levels Obama took almost five years to attain. Considering Obama had no economic drag like stay at home orders or closing wide swaths of businesses and he had the natural rebound following the great depression I’d say Trump’s economics ran circles around Obama performance. Interesting Trump’s economy never had a job loss month until Biden won the election - I wonder why.
 
Nope. All of the above were on the same trend line. Tax cuts for corporations and the richest 1% had no positive effect on the economy other than a single quarter mild sugar high. Then the deficit exploded, like it always does when republicans are in power.
The performance of th economy shows that to be totally untrue. You’re just spew the ridiculous lies your cult leaders taught you.
 
Sure, nothing but lower tax rates, fewer regulations, emphasis on producing our own energy. More jobs for POC, more job openings than candidates to fill them. Consumer and business optimism through the roof. Unemployment, which had been virtual flat through 2016 dropped 25% in Trump first three years, including record lows for women and POC.

Lowest unemployment in fifty years prior to the covid pandemic, and the unemployment level for Blacks and Hispanics set a new record low.
 
You guys never get tired of posting meaningless charts, do you?

You mean i have a propensity to back up my statements with fact? I understand it's a real inconvenience for your partisan narrative, but that's your fault.

I’ve already posted a chart focusing on the last YEAR of Obama’s term - the economic state Trump actually inherited.

The Texas sharpshooter fallacy.

just eyeballing it looks like it took Obama well into 2015 - the next to last year of Obama’s term to match the employment Trump managed to attain WHILE FIGHTING A PANDEMIC.

A meaningless comment. For January 2009, employment fell by 784k as employment continued to decline well into 2010 (months after the recession was over). From February 2010 to December 2016, employment roles grew by more than 15 million at an average monthly rate of 224k.

Trump’s echo took a gut punch and sprung back to lower UE to levels Obama took almost five years to attain.

You're comparing an economic downturn caused by market failure with one that stemmed from a failure to contain a virus. An honest and knowledgeable person would understand this fact and refrain from making such a ridiculous comparison. Trump's economy didn't deliver on anything he promised other than the wealthiest people paying less taxes. Real economic growth never went past 3%, which was the mantra of right-wing economic naysayers during the Obama administration. When the tax cuts failed to materialize the economic growth promised... this narrative was quietly abandoned to focus on stock market performance and the unemployment rate (which was deemed as fake by the GOP). Furthermore, deficits continued to balloon even during all this amazing economic growth.

Considering Obama had no economic drag

This is a lie. Obama had the greatest instance of economic drag since 1929.

like stay at home orders or closing wide swaths of businesses

The economy isn't sick... it's the people. In 2009, it was the economy that had become ill.

I’d say Trump’s economics ran circles around Obama performance.

That's a delusion. You're so desperate to give Trump some kind of win you'll grasp at anything, in this case comparing market failure with government failure and employing another Texas sharpshooter fallacy.

Interesting Trump’s economy never had a job loss month until Biden won the election - I wonder why.

Here is a glaring example of someone who doesn't study the data, but has the audacity to make a matter-of-fact statement pertaining to this data.

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A person who makes such a statement has earned ridicule.
 
You mean i have a propensity to back up my statements with fact? I understand it's a real inconvenience for your partisan narrative, but that's your fault.



The Texas sharpshooter fallacy.



A meaningless comment. For January 2009, employment fell by 784k as employment continued to decline well into 2010 (months after the recession was over). From February 2010 to December 2016, employment roles grew by more than 15 million at an average monthly rate of 224k.



You're comparing an economic downturn caused by market failure with one that stemmed from a failure to contain a virus. An honest and knowledgeable person would understand this fact and refrain from making such a ridiculous comparison. Trump's economy didn't deliver on anything he promised other than the wealthiest people paying less taxes. Real economic growth never went past 3%, which was the mantra of right-wing economic naysayers during the Obama administration. When the tax cuts failed to materialize the economic growth promised... this narrative was quietly abandoned to focus on stock market performance and the unemployment rate (which was deemed as fake by the GOP).



This is a lie. Obama had the greatest instance of economic drag since 1929.



The economy isn't sick... it's the people. In 2009, it was the economy that had become ill. Not mention non sequiturs, vapid excuses and silly slogans.



That's a delusion. You're so desperate to give Trump some kind of win you'll grasp at anything, in this case comparing market failure with government failure.



Here is a glaring example of someone who doesn't study the data, but has the audacity to make a matter-of-fact statement pertaining to this data.

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A person who makes such a statement has earned ridicule.
A Wall of fragmented ridiculousness, mumbo-jumbo and LW mantras.
 
A Wall of fragmented ridiculousness, mumbo-jumbo and LW mantras.

You've lost this argument before it even began. I reject your surrender as you're not even making coherent statements. As stated... you've earned ridicule.
 
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