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How big will this year's deficit be?

false dichotomy, and strawman

Straw man? I wasn't stating anything. I was asking you a question: Does the whole nation vote for my senator or only the people of my state?
 
Straw man? I wasn't stating anything. I was asking you a question: Does the whole nation vote for my senator or only the people of my state?

strawman. I never said or implied any such thing.
 
strawman. I never said or implied any such thing.

The elections for senators, house reps, and presidential electors are strictly a state-wide vote.
 
it's a state election. only the people in that state participate.

it's a national election, as US reps and senators serve on a national level, not a state
 
it's a national election, as US reps and senators serve on a national level, not a state

the nation does not elect Pennsylvania's house members, senators, or presidential electors. Only Pennsylvanians vote for them. It is a state election.
 
the nation does not elect Pennsylvania's house members, senators, or presidential electors. Only Pennsylvanians vote for them. It is a state election.

strawman. But it's a national election, as they are not state senators but US senators.
 
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Hm, I'm not sure you're using that term correctly. I stated a simple fact. Only Pennsylvanians vote for their house members, Senators, or electors. It is a state election.
 
Hm, I'm not sure you're using that term correctly. I stated a simple fact. Only Pennsylvanians vote for their house members, Senators, or electors. It is a state election.

I'm using it perfectly. You keep making up an argument and attributing it to me, then arguing against it. that's literally the definition of a strawman. I've not made any statement or argument in any way related to what you keep posting. I simply pointed out that US reps and senators are national elections. State senators and reps are state elections.
 
I'm using it perfectly. You keep making up an argument and attributing it to me, then arguing against it. that's literally the definition of a strawman. I've not made any statement or argument in any way related to what you keep posting. I simply pointed out that US reps and senators are national elections. State senators and reps are state elections.

I'm not attributing anything to you.

Only Pensylvanians vote for their senators. It's a state election.
 
I'm not attributing anything to you.

Only Pensylvanians vote for their senators. It's a state election.
US reps and senators are national elections
 
US reps and senators are national elections

If you want to call a vote that take place entirely in a single state "national", then have at you.
 
If you want to call a vote that take place entirely in a single state "national", then have at you.

I'm calling electing someone to a national (federal) office, a national election, as that is what the correct term is.
 
I'm calling electing someone to a national (federal) office, a national election, as that is what the correct term is.

Okay, call it national, even though only Pennsylvanians vote. At least now I understand what you're talking about.
 
I don't want to even think about and nothing will be done about it either, because politicians don't want to cut spending!!

because politicians don't want to cut spending!!

Name some of these politicians?
 
It started out as an estimate of one trillion. Add to that the 2.2 trillion bailout just passed, and you have 3.2 trillion. Add to that the decrease in revenue due to the lockdown, and we have maybe another trillion or so.


I'm estimating 4 trillion, or more than the federal government normally takes in in taxes in a year.


Anyone else find these figures disconcerting? How long can that sort of deficit spending be sustained before the dollar collapses?


oh, and a trillion is such a large number most of us can't imagine it. Divide that trillion by 200 million, roughly the adult population of the USA, and four trillion is about $20,000 for every adult in America.


If my MasterCard had that much on it, and I didn't have that amount ready to pay it off, I'd be worried. Wouldn't you?

Massive, and the debt will come due soon. If democrats get the White House expect a huge tax hike on the wealthy, (use your own definition of what wealthy is, the democrats will not tell you theirs), and on the upper 50% of taxpayers for sure. I suspect it will eventually go lower down to the the upper 60-65% of wage earners. Democrats want a country where they control the money in nation and that includes what you make. Somebody has to pay for it. They like to point out the Nordic countries and those folks have massive taxes taken from their income, 60% in some cases in countries that only have 5-10 million people living there. Examine Socialism, since we are headed that way, then take a look at communist goals for America from 1963 and see if we are not being led down that path.
The 45 Communist Goals (1963) - edberry.com
 
“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: Its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.” – Joseph Stalin
1963 COMMUNIST GOALS

U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation
Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind.
Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
Do away with all loyalty oaths.

Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
Gain control of all student newspapers.
Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression.

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.”
Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use “united force” to solve economic, political or social problems.

Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
 
Massive, and the debt will come due soon. If democrats get the White House expect a huge tax hike on the wealthy, (use your own definition of what wealthy is, the democrats will not tell you theirs), and on the upper 50% of taxpayers for sure. I suspect it will eventually go lower down to the the upper 60-65% of wage earners. Democrats want a country where they control the money in nation and that includes what you make. Somebody has to pay for it. They like to point out the Nordic countries and those folks have massive taxes taken from their income, 60% in some cases in countries that only have 5-10 million people living there. Examine Socialism, since we are headed that way, then take a look at communist goals for America from 1963 and see if we are not being led down that path.
The 45 Communist Goals (1963) - edberry.com

If Democrats get into office, then they will attempt to solve the problem by increasing taxes on the wealthy. That is a pretty good bet. Whether they will succeed or not is anyone's guess.

What, if anything, will the Republicans try to do about the massive deficit do you suppose?
 
“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: Its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.” – Joseph Stalin
1963 COMMUNIST GOALS

U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation
Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind.
Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
Do away with all loyalty oaths.

Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
Gain control of all student newspapers.
Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression.

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.”
Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use “united force” to solve economic, political or social problems.

Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.


The Soviet Union is gone, and Communism is limited to a few small nations, like Cuba and North Korea. It's just about gone now.
 
If Democrats get into office, then they will attempt to solve the problem by increasing taxes on the wealthy. That is a pretty good bet. Whether they will succeed or not is anyone's guess.

What, if anything, will the Republicans try to do about the massive deficit do you suppose?

The typical leftwing action believing that the rich have enough money to fund their spending appetite. You cannot take it all away and solve social problems as that takes behavioral change not more spending that destroys incentive. People are fleeing high taxed states and raising Federal taxes to fund state and local issues is what the left wants and why this election is so important. There is no justification for raising federal taxes to fund state programs!
 
The typical leftwing action believing that the rich have enough money to fund their spending appetite. You cannot take it all away and solve social problems as that takes behavioral change not more spending that destroys incentive. People are fleeing high taxed states and raising Federal taxes to fund state and local issues is what the left wants and why this election is so important. There is no justification for raising federal taxes to fund state programs!

So, what do you think the Republicans will try to do to mitigate the deficit?
 
So, what do you think the Republicans will try to do to mitigate the deficit?

Grow us out of it but career politicians don't like that idea as they will still spend money. In the meantime the American people keeping more of what they earn will see that as a pretty good return on investment from the debt
 
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