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Trump Broke His Promise to Fix the Debt, He will

He said it, did he do it? I can point out specific words of his saying he would fix the debt..and pointed at Obama..

Reagan increased our debt by 186%. He added 1.86 trillion
George Bush added 5.8 trillion and that was with the war on terror raging.
Clinton 1.3 trillion in all of 8 years.

So you tell me why he has added in 3 years 8.3 trillion dollars? Obama added around that in all 8 years with his last year being the least and well under a trillion.

So Trump has added 3.77 trillion to our debt every year of his presidency. If he were to win again and his off the rails spending habits that would be 30 trillion dollars added to the debt.

Can you point out another president in history that added 3.77 trillion per year?

So...no honesty. I'm not surprised.

You DO know that Congress plays an integral part in any government spending, right?


Oh hell...why am I even talking to you? You have a one-track, blame-Trump mind.
 
So...no honesty. I'm not surprised.

You DO know that Congress plays an integral part in any government spending, right?


Oh hell...why am I even talking to you? You have a one-track, blame-Trump mind.

can you point out any other president that has added 3.77 trillion a year? The only dishonest person here is YOU.
 
he promised to fix it, he broke the promise. Ethical people don't make promises they cannot keep.

Well actually he hasn't broken anything at this point. He is a little over 3/4's into his first term. He said fix it in 8 years, so he has a while to go. So why don't you just calm down and stop claiming something that has not run its full course. Fake news, see how easy it gets spread?
 
wrong. When he took the White house in 2016 BOTH the House and Senate were Republican controlled. It wasn't until January 2019 that Democrats controlled the House. From Jan 2017 to Jan 2019 they controlled the House by a pretty fair margin. 241-194

Well, THAT'S a shame, and it's been downhill ever since your side took over.
 
can you point out any other president that has added 3.77 trillion a year? The only dishonest person here is YOU.

yawn...

Like I said...one-track.
 
please name me ONE presidential politician since 1875 that kept all of their political promises

just one

that gives you 150 years or so of presidents to choose from....

ought to be one, right?

But what is curious is why there was so much outrage from conservatives with Obama's deficit-spending in the 2009 crisis, but the same folks are now so fiercely defending Trump's deficit spending in this particular crisis? It's not just a tribal, purely partisan thing, is it?
 
Really?

Then where oh where is that balanced budget Amendment we hear so little about over the passing years? Seldom get's much play, if any, anymore.
I don't know. I'm not in favor of the balanced budget amendment so I don't know why you'd ask me. And that amendment doesn't necessarily respond to my points. I'm not saying that all national deficits are the end of the world. Every dollar that the government spends has to be looked at in terms of what we get in return. If we spend a million dollars that goes towards the deficit to build a park and a few amenities in a high crime, poverty stricken area and that helps bring in a little more private investment and a better life for the citizens, which maybe means a lower crime rate, higher college attendance for people coming from that area etc, then the money was worth it. Now, I understand completely that this is a dumbed down and simplified example and that in reality we are dealing with much higher dollar amounts and the pros and cons often times can't be agreed upon, but regardless that's how each dollar, or each dollar amount should be judged. In those terms we should look at what we spent VS what we were promised. Perfect example are the last set of tax breaks. We were sold that if we passed those tax breaks we'd be seeing 4%+ GDP growth. We haven't. The tax cuts very likely were just a terrible idea.

As long as Congress has no obligation to balance the budget, we are going to get more and more tax and spend regardless of the Party in power.
We aren't getting tax and spend. We are getting tax cuts and spending. The democrat position is that we should provide certain standards of living to citizens regarding education and health care and we have to pay the taxes in order to pay for those standards. The republican position is that we aren't going to cut any of those standards, but we are going to slash taxes anyways because why not. One of these is financially prudent, one is irresponsible. Period.

Trump want's to cut taxes. I want Federal taxes reduced too. Yet everyone seems to want Uncle Sam to "help out" regardless of costs. Usually those that don't have money demand that those who have "too much" give up more...and more...and more.
Fine. You can support cutting taxes, and he can support it too. But when you cut taxes without cutting spending, you have to expect to be called out for exploding the deficit. Period. That's just math. And I know the follow up response will be "but I do support cutting spending", and that's great, but just saying you support something doesn't mean a hill of beans. Not so much in terms of you and I as the average citizen, but in terms of an actual politician. If the politician doesn't have the guts to come out and say that we need to cut medicaid by 100B then he shouldn't have the guts to come out and say that we should cut taxes by 100B. To say that you support cutting taxes and you support reducing spending, yet you only pass bills that reduce taxes then in reality you are just paying lip service to one and are contributing to the deficit problem, whether you agree with it or not.

IMO Congress, as the body directly elected and so directly responsible to it's local constituency, should be dealing with their actual JOB...tax and spend. Cut the pork, and focus on the national interest.
That's their job, and the president can veto as he sees fit. On top of that, as I mentioned earlier, he can weld a lot of power in terms of influence. The only reason to ignore this is a transparent attempt to shield a president from blame. No conservative/trump supporter would are say that ObamaCare has nothing to do with Obama because he's not in congress and congress passes legislation, but at the exact same time they will talk out of the other side of their mouth and pretend that this president has nothing to do with what congress passes. It could be described as huxterish behavior to constantly shift these blames and responsibilities based on what's politically convenient.

The President can only spend what he is given, regardless of how "creatively" one tries to do so.
Again, pretending that the president has absolutely nothing to do with spending or taxes what so ever.

Is it your position that Trump gets absolutely no credit for the tax cuts that were passed because that's congress' job? Should he get absolutely no credit for the stimulus bill that just passed since that was done by congress? If you think that he gets no credit at all, then you continue pretending that he also gets no blame for anything. But as soon as you want anyone to give him credit for anything to do with anything that went through congress, you are being hypocritical. So choose wisely.
 
Trump broke his promise to fix the debt. He'''ll blame Congress in 2020.

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's budget is the confession of a broken promise.

As a candidate, Trump famously vowed to eliminate the national debt in eight years.

But under the spending blueprint he released Monday — which has "promises kept" in its title — the federal government wouldn't start paying down debt for 15 years. Until then, even under the rosy projections of Trump's budget-writers, Washington would run annual deficits adding to a red-ink total that already stands at more than $22 trillion.


We are now 8.3 trillion in debt and Trump has done zero to go the opposite direction...oh, he cut taxes for the top 1% that made it worse.

You are just going to have to wait for the end of 8 years, it only closing in on 4.
 
he promised to fix it, he broke the promise. Ethical people don't make promises they cannot keep.

LOL Are you saying Trump is not an ethical person? You are a master of understatement.
 
But what is curious is why there was so much outrage from conservatives with Obama's deficit-spending in the 2009 crisis, but the same folks are now so fiercely defending Trump's deficit spending in this particular crisis? It's not just a tribal, purely partisan thing, is it?

part of it partisan....

part of it is HOW the money is being spent

have you really looked at how the money was spent in 08?

the shovel ready jobs that werent?

now....both bailouts WERE needed....the execution was piss poor on Obama's....

this one could be as bad or worse based on size, and number of programs

or it could be the shot in the arm the little guys need to actually stay afloat....

to give you an idea....here is ONE of the programs

SMALL BUSINESS PAYCHECK PROTECTION PROGRAM
The Paycheck Protection Program provides small businesses with funds to pay up to 8 weeks of
payroll costs including benefits. Funds can also be used to pay interest on mortgages, rent, and
utilities.

Funds are provided in the form of loans that will be fully forgiven when used for payroll costs,
interest on mortgages, rent, and utilities (due to likely high subscription, at least 75% of the
forgiven amount must have been used for payroll). Loan payments will also be deferred for six
months. No collateral or personal guarantees are required. Neither the government nor lenders
will charge small businesses any fees.

Must Keep Employees on the Payroll—or Rehire Quickly

Forgiveness is based on the employer maintaining or quickly rehiring employees and
maintaining salary levels. Forgiveness will be reduced if full-time headcount declines, or if
salaries and wages decrease.

All Small Businesses Eligible
Small businesses with 500 or fewer employees—including nonprofits, veterans organizations,
tribal concerns, self-employed individuals, sole proprietorship, and independent contractors—
are eligible. Businesses with more than 500 employees are eligible in certain industries.

When to Apply
Starting April 3, 2020, small businesses and sole proprietorships can apply. Starting April 10,
2020, independent contractors and self-employed individuals can apply. We encourage you to
apply as quickly as you can because there is a funding cap.

How to Apply
You can apply through any existing SBA 7(a) lender or through any federally insured depository
institution, federally insured credit union, and Farm Credit System institution that is
participating. Other regulated lenders will be available to make these loans once they are
approved and enrolled in the program. You should consult with your local lender as to whether
it is participating. All loans will have the same terms regardless of lender or borrower. A list of
participating lenders as well as additional information and full terms can be found at
Small Business Administration.

The Paycheck Protection Program is implemented by the Small Business
Administration with support from the Department of the Treasury. Lenders
should also visit Small Business Administration or Access Denied for more information.

Now my banker has already contacted me about this....and will be contacting me later this week to complete my application. i already have two other applications already pending in the SBA for other programs. This is the ONLY way my doors stay open based on revenues for the last 45 days, if this lasts another 45-60 days.

And i can keep my employees here, and PAID.
 
The Trump mistake is ending in November. You are in denial.

Nope, never been to Egypt. But, time will tell, don't worry Libs are working on another impeachment based on Covid-19. Which if they really try that again it will be their own end for another 4, maybe even more.
 
LOL!!

How disingenuous can you get, ClaraD?

Yes...he said he could fix the budget...but no, he didn't and there's a very good reason for it: Congress.

Now you, ClaraD, you ignore Congress and their opposition and carp about..."TRUMP BROKE HIS PROMISE!!!".

I suggest you display a little more honesty in the future.

Moving on...


This is patently false.

Trump never intended to reduce debt at all. Indeed, his first budget proposals were floods of borrowed money.

Trump’s tax bill was 100% financed with borrowed money.
 
we need to turn our attention to Trump voters. they are who is killing this country. he didn't elect himself.



and they have no shame so they won't be embarrassed. they don't care if they lied or are fake Christians. they don't care about the debt or healthcare. i'm pretty sure the only lower group (in my lifetime) were those Southerners who wanted to keep racial laws (hurting blacks) in place. ironically, i think it's the same group (same mindset).
 
Not since he's been President, and then the out party always does better, kind of a self correcting system. The Dims had him tied up in a 3+ years bogus impeachment exercise you will remember.
Trump has been President since 2017 and the complete congress was in the control of the Republicans for his first 2 Years the Dems. didn't take the house back till 2019
so your statement that the " Dims" had him tied up in a 3+ year bogus impeachment exercise is false
Just wanted you to know
Have a nice day
 
Trump has been President since 2017 and the complete congress was in the control of the Republicans for his first 2 Years the Dems. didn't take the house back till 2019
so your statement that the " Dims" had him tied up in a 3+ year bogus impeachment exercise is false
Just wanted you to know
Have a nice day

there is no honesty with those people. that whole generation of Trump supporters are a lost cause.

let's better educate their kids and grand kids.
 
he promised to fix it, he broke the promise. Ethical people don't make promises they cannot keep.

You are talking about an elected official. How many elected officials keep all of their campaign promises?

You do realize Congress has a greater say on spending than the President.
 
how is it in poor taste...he said he would fix it in his first term...has he done that? I could forgive the 2 trillion that just happened...there is good reason for it, but it is 8.3 trillion he has added. So he had added 6.1 trillion without the crisis we have on hand.
May I ask how have you people come up with 8 Trillion for Trump in just over 3 years?
I am not a Trump supporter and I do not like him or what he has done
But when he took office the debt was 19,947 Trillion and as of Yesterday it was 23,686 Trillion
I know the Bill they just passed will add over 2 T to the debt but up until now the debt has gone up just under 4 Trillion not 8 Trillion
you can find out the debt to the penny on most days going back before the 1940's at
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
it is the US Treasury web site
again I do not like Trump but when there is false info going out about him I will speak up and when I see people telling lies that prop him up I will also speak up
Have a nice day
 
Well actually he hasn't broken anything at this point. He is a little over 3/4's into his first term. He said fix it in 8 years, so he has a while to go. So why don't you just calm down and stop claiming something that has not run its full course. Fake news, see how easy it gets spread?

he promised 6% growth too...what happened to that?
 
part of it partisan....

part of it is HOW the money is being spent

have you really looked at how the money was spent in 08?

the shovel ready jobs that werent?

Well now wait a minute. The outrage in 2008 was not in HOW the money was being spent. That was not the point of the Tea Party. The argument from them at that time was that federal government has no business interfering in a recession. They told us such Keynesian economics does not work, that it is "the road to serfdom", that this was not an enumerated power in the Constitution and therefore unconstitutional. We should just leave recessions up to the free market and that would fix it by itself, they explained in frustration. We were losing America if we kept this up. The issue of HOW the money was being spent was really very peripheral, if it existed at all.

Here is the definition of the Tea Party:

The Tea Party movement is a populist branch of conservative Republicans. It opposes government spending, taxation, and regulation. Tea Party members believe that the federal government uses these measures to infringe on Americans' personal liberties as outlined in the Constitution, doing things that are not listed as "enumerated rights" in the document...

Here are the Tea Party's three primary economic policies:

1) Eliminate deficit spending and the national debt. During President Obama's term, the Tea Party was serious about reducing government spending. However they have not opposed government spending during the Trump administration.

They argued that out-of-control government spending infiltrates the government into Americans' lives. It also devalues the dollar and invites inflation...

In 2013, the Party shut down the government and almost refused to raise the debt ceiling. Why? It wanted to defund Obamacare. It also included cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid as part of the conversation.

In 2011, the Party also risked government shut-downs. In April, it refused to approve the Fiscal Year 2011 Budget until $80 billion was cut...In August 2011, the Tea Party delayed voting to raise the debt ceiling until $2.2 trillion was cut from spending over the next 10 years in the Budget Control Act of 2011. As a result of a near default on the debt, the S&P lowered the U.S. debt rating from AAA to AA+.

Tea Party Movement: Economic Platform, History


So stimulus spending, according to the Tea Party, is bad. It's not about HOW you spend it. Spending it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. And yet now those very same people are quiet as crickets as Trump deficit spends trillions on this particular crisis. So now all of a sudden Keynesian economics is OK?

So why does the article tell us "During President Obama's term, the Tea Party was serious about reducing government spending. However they have not opposed government spending during the Trump administration"? What's different now? It's now HOW it's spent, obviously. It's the very fact of the spending itself.

None of this makes sense. That's why there was this sneaking suspicion back in 2009 that none of this was really an honest, legitimate debate over the validity of Keynesian economics, but really just pure destructive partisanship, and maybe about Obama's skin tone.

But if you have a better explanation, I would really appreciate hearing it.
 
May I ask how have you people come up with 8 Trillion for Trump in just over 3 years?
I am not a Trump supporter and I do not like him or what he has done
But when he took office the debt was 19,947 Trillion and as of Yesterday it was 23,686 Trillion
I know the Bill they just passed will add over 2 T to the debt but up until now the debt has gone up just under 4 Trillion not 8 Trillion
you can find out the debt to the penny on most days going back before the 1940's at
Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
it is the US Treasury web site
again I do not like Trump but when there is false info going out about him I will speak up and when I see people telling lies that prop him up I will also speak up
Have a nice day
Trump and the National Debt
 
there is no honesty with those people. that whole generation of Trump supporters are a lost cause.

let's better educate their kids and grand kids.

They will accuse us of shoving "liberal indoctrination" down their kids' throats if we teach them that the earth was not really made in 6 days and might be a little older than 6000 years old.

It's not just plain ignorance we are dealing with here. That would be easy to fix. It's stubborn and willful ignorance. That's a much tougher and more malignant problem to address.
 
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You are talking about an elected official. How many elected officials keep all of their campaign promises?

You do realize Congress has a greater say on spending than the President.

you guys have been carrying on for 3 years about what a great job he has done of keeping his promises.
 
They will accuse us of shoving "liberal indoctrination" down their kids' throats if we teach them that the earth was not really made in 6 days and might be a little older than 6000 years old.

It's not just plain ignorance we are dealing with here. That would be easy to fix. It's stubborn and willful ignorance. That's a much tougher and more malignant problem to address.

i'm not talking about school. i'm talking about teaching them to be human.
 
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