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Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

Free trade can cause local disruptions, so there are costs that go with the benefits. But economists are largely in agreement that free trade is a net benefit to each of the trading nations.

Since the facts support free trade in general (there can always be arguments over the specifics), I support free trade. I don't care what liberals like me are supposed to think about it.
You are a traitor.
 
You are a traitor.

:2wave:

Actually the Democratic Party has been all over the map on this issue. Many (most?) take the idea that free trade is worth defending seriously. However, often unions want protection from competition abroad and democrats get persuaded to weigh in on their side. Just like sometimes Republicans favor protection for their business constituents against foreign competition.

Generally in the past the GOP has been a more faithful defender of free trade than the Democrats, and I always used this issue as an example of how I go with policy, not party. It has been one of the very few policy areas where I sided with the GOP over the Democrats. However, Trump has pretty much destroyed that.
 
:2wave:

Actually the Democratic Party has been all over the map on this issue. Many (most?) take the idea that free trade is worth defending seriously. However, often unions want protection from competition abroad and democrats get persuaded to weigh in on their side. Just like sometimes Republicans favor protection for their business constituents against foreign competition.

Generally in the past the GOP has been a more faithful defender of free trade than the Democrats, and I always used this issue as an example of how I go with policy, not party. It has been one of the very few policy areas where I sided with the GOP over the Democrats. However, Trump has pretty much destroyed that.
I'm glad he destroyed it and that damn T.P.P never got passed either.
 
Someone somewhere once said, "Elections have consequences". Obama seemed to forget that in his second term after Republicans took over one thousand seats from Democrats, gaining both the House and the Senate and yet the left became the resistance against what voters wanted. And yet Obama seemed to forget that elections have consequences and tried his best to thwart what Americans wanted during his second term. Even today voters have voted in a Republican president and a Republican Senate, and yet Democrats have formed the resistance, while only controlling 1/3 of the government. I'll give you Republican obstruction from 2009-2014 but ever since January 2015, it has been constant Democratic obstruction, which has lasted five years now.

Leftist SOP, accuse other of what they themselves are guilty of. :shrug:
 
Someone somewhere once said, "Elections have consequences". Obama seemed to forget that in his second term after Republicans took over one thousand seats from Democrats, gaining both the House and the Senate and yet the left became the resistance against what voters wanted. And yet Obama seemed to forget that elections have consequences and tried his best to thwart what Americans wanted during his second term. Even today voters have voted in a Republican president and a Republican Senate, and yet Democrats have formed the resistance, while only controlling 1/3 of the government. I'll give you Republican obstruction from 2009-2014 but ever since January 2015, it has been constant Democratic obstruction, which has lasted five years now.

So you are ignoring that the Republican controlled Senate has ignored hundreds of Bills sent to them by the House. Noted ..
 
Yes. Larry Kudlow or Lou Dobbs he isn't.

Well he's way more partisan than Lou Dobbs. Maybe not Kudlow
But on a scale of partisan between 1 and 10 , Krugman is 9.7.

thus a non -reliable source for anything.
 
Well he's way more partisan than Lou Dobbs. Maybe not Kudlow
But on a scale of partisan between 1 and 10 , Krugman is 9.7.

thus a non -reliable source for anything.

Actually, generally far more accurate economic analysis than those on the right, who have been consistently proven wrong and refuse to admit it. Or just lie. Or flip and flop depending on which way the wing's blowing.

Paul Ryan, 2011: "the debt poses an existential threat to all we hold dear".
Mike Pence, 2020: deficits are fine if they promote growth.

In speech, Mulvaney says Republicans are hypocritical on deficits

When Obama in the White House: The job numbers are fake! The Fed is holding interest rates too low, inflation is nigh!!!
When Trump is in the White House: The job numbers are great! The Fed is holding rates too high!!!
 
Actually, generally far more accurate economic analysis than those on the right, who have been consistently proven wrong and refuse to admit it. Or just lie. Or flip and flop depending on which way the wing's blowing.

Paul Ryan, 2011: "the debt poses an existential threat to all we hold dear".
Mike Pence, 2020: deficits are fine if they promote growth.

In speech, Mulvaney says Republicans are hypocritical on deficits

When Obama in the White House: The job numbers are fake! The Fed is holding interest rates too low, inflation is nigh!!!
When Trump is in the White House: The job numbers are great! The Fed is holding rates too high!!!

And you buy rhetoric instead of actual results, the deficit today is growing entirely from debt service and entitlement spending. why is it people like you never address spending and which of the candidates running for the Democratic Nomination are going to focus on the deficit and debt?

There is quite a difference between the Obama debt and Trump debt as I have explained many times and you ignored. When the gov't spends over 40% of GDP that impacts the deficit especially when that spending didn't create the jobs promised by Obama with his "shovel ready jobs stimulus" bill signed in February 2009.

You think 6 million new taxpayers created in 9 years generates enough revenue to justify the massive gov't spending Obama generated?
 
And you buy rhetoric instead of actual results, the deficit today is growing entirely from debt service and entitlement spending. why is it people like you never address spending and which of the candidates running for the Democratic Nomination are going to focus on the deficit and debt?

There is quite a difference between the Obama debt and Trump debt as I have explained many times and you ignored. When the gov't spends over 40% of GDP that impacts the deficit especially when that spending didn't create the jobs promised by Obama with his "shovel ready jobs stimulus" bill signed in February 2009.

You think 6 million new taxpayers created in 9 years generates enough revenue to justify the massive gov't spending Obama generated?
Interest is up because Trump and the GOP slashed taxes and we're running record non-recession deficits. There is no mystery that when you borrow more money you pay more interest.

What have those tax-cuts cost in revenue? This is income taxes from corporations:

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Obama didn't generate "massive gov't spending." That's just another lie from the right wing. Below is spending during the Bush era vs spending during the Obama era. Notice how Obama spending grow massively compared to Bush? Me neither.

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Actually, generally far more accurate economic analysis than those on the right, who have been consistently proven wrong and refuse to admit it. Or just lie. Or flip and flop depending on which way the wing's blowing.

Paul Ryan, 2011: "the debt poses an existential threat to all we hold dear".
Mike Pence, 2020: deficits are fine if they promote growth.

In speech, Mulvaney says Republicans are hypocritical on deficits

When Obama in the White House: The job numbers are fake! The Fed is holding interest rates too low, inflation is nigh!!!
When Trump is in the White House: The job numbers are great! The Fed is holding rates too high!!!

Since you people continue to claim that tax cuts caused the deficits to rise why is it you haven't posted any data supporting those claims? Isn't it just possible that you don't really understand the taxes you pay and their purpose? I will never understand why the radical left cannot grasp the concept of personal responsibility and that tax cuts allow people to keep more of what they earn thus less need for a massive nanny state and entitlement programs
 
Obama didn't generate "massive gov't spending." That's just another lie from the right wing. Below is spending during the Bush era vs spending during the Obama era. Notice how Obama spending grow massively compared to Bush? Me neither.

usgs_line.php

Republicans from 2011 forward (when they won the House) sabotaged the recovery by pretending to being obsessively worried about the deficit. Had Obama enjoyed the spending and borrowing of the Trump years, unemployment would have been reduced to 4% by 2013.

Think of all the misery faced by families because Republicans decided they couldn't give Obama a "win." Wow.
 
Republicans from 2011 forward (when they won the House) sabotaged the recovery by pretending to being obsessively worried about the deficit. Had Obama enjoyed the spending and borrowing of the Trump years, unemployment would have been reduced to 4% by 2013.

Think of all the misery faced by families because Republicans decided they couldn't give Obama a "win." Wow.

Economist Paul Krugman pointed that out recently.
 
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