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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    Neither party cares about the debt. But only one party uses the debt as an excuse to shut down the government, harming the economy. Only one party keeps passing massive tax cuts while increasing spending. The other party proposes tax increases to pay for the money they want to spend. Democrats have become the party of fiscal responsibility. Just look at the last few decades. Every time a Republican president gets a Republican Congress, the deficit explodes!
    Yeah, the GOP harps on the debt, but it's all talk. What I looked at was during the G.W. Bush presidency, almost all Democrats voted against raising the debt ceiling, almost all Republicans voted for raising it. Them comes Obama and both parties did a 180. Now it was the Republicans voting against raising the debt ceiling, Democrats voting for it. No core value there. Just something to be used politically by the party out of power.

    What one forgets is all spending bills must be written, passed by the House. During Reagan and G.H.W Bush, it was the democratic House that went along. The GOP controlled house for the last six years of Bill Clinton. The last two years of G.W. was a Democratic controlled House with the last six years of Obama, the GOP controlled the House.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    Yes, you can draw a line from the subject of the post to what you're talking about. But you've still wandered off topic. The topic is the government shutdowns during Obama's presidency and the small business administration loans, among other things, whose absence hurt the economy.

    You want to talk about how you don't like how Trump pressures the Fed. That's cool. I don't just don't see the relevance to the topic at hand. Yes, they both have to do with interest rates.


    NO. Can't you comprehend? Or, are you purposely ignoring? The topic was not, as you state, "the government shutdowns during Obama's presidency and the small business administration loans, among other things, whose absence hurt the economy." It was, quite literally, as I just got through telling you in the prior post, as titled "Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era". The OP discussion in the body went, somewhat, elsewhere but was in the ballpark. As was mine. My post relevance was, quite literally with the topic, Trump obstructing the normal process of the Fed in setting interest rates.

    My post may not be how you want it to align with the body of your post, but it is relevant to the topic for being continued obstruction by the GOP (Trump IS the GOP) even after the Obama era but also relevant to Obama because Trump cites Obama getting low interest rates as justification for why HE should get lower int rates, even though the economy, as Trump touts all the time, is booming and does not need lower int rates.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by RealityNow View Post
    You should think about that every time you post some stuff talking about "lefties"... Geez.... your one sided tunnel view concept, blinds you from applying your commentary to YOURSELF.
    I'm not insulting the hell out of voters, you are. I don't think people are stupid or evil, just wrong about some topics or subjects. There is nothing one sided, you should stop projecting.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, the GOP harps on the debt, but it's all talk. What I looked at was during the G.W. Bush presidency, almost all Democrats voted against raising the debt ceiling, almost all Republicans voted for raising it. Them comes Obama and both parties did a 180. Now it was the Republicans voting against raising the debt ceiling, Democrats voting for it. No core value there. Just something to be used politically by the party out of power.

    What one forgets is all spending bills must be written, passed by the House. During Reagan and G.H.W Bush, it was the democratic House that went along. The GOP controlled house for the last six years of Bill Clinton. The last two years of G.W. was a Democratic controlled House with the last six years of Obama, the GOP controlled the House.
    In order for big changes to happen, Congress and the President need to agree. When the Senate is behaving itself, 60% need to agree. That doesn't happen very often. Usually the opposition party in Congress can put the breaks on whatever the President wants to do, and we get partisan gridlock. Which is kind of how it's supposed to work. When the President and Congress are all the same party, that's when things happen. And they can happen pretty quickly because they know they don't have very much time probably.

    It happened once when Obama was elected, and once when Trump was elected. They each had two years where they weren't restrained by the other party much at all. What did the Democrats do? Obama got the worst recession in 80 years under control and saved the auto industry. And he overhauled healthcare without blowing up the deficit.

    The recession ended, although more sluggishly than it would have if the Republicans had agreed to a second stimulus package after his first two years, and everything was getting back to normal. Sustainable growth, just like Obama promised.

    Then Trump got elected, and it happened again. One party had Congress and the President. They could do what they wanted. Finally, we would have balanced budgets, repealed and replaced Obamacare, an austere, fiscally responsible party had taken over. It was time to think about the future with... another round of massive tax cuts!!!
    Democrats always have to show how they're going to pay for their plans. That's the big question. How are we going to afford to pay for all of these programs? Warren has to answer. She can't just put it on the credit card. It'll boost the economy and we'll grow our way out. How many rounds of tax cuts are we going to take before enough is enough? This isn't working.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    In order for big changes to happen, Congress and the President need to agree. When the Senate is behaving itself, 60% need to agree. That doesn't happen very often. Usually the opposition party in Congress can put the breaks on whatever the President wants to do, and we get partisan gridlock. Which is kind of how it's supposed to work. When the President and Congress are all the same party, that's when things happen. And they can happen pretty quickly because they know they don't have very much time probably.

    It happened once when Obama was elected, and once when Trump was elected. They each had two years where they weren't restrained by the other party much at all. What did the Democrats do? Obama got the worst recession in 80 years under control and saved the auto industry. And he overhauled healthcare without blowing up the deficit.

    The recession ended, although more sluggishly than it would have if the Republicans had agreed to a second stimulus package after his first two years, and everything was getting back to normal. Sustainable growth, just like Obama promised.

    Then Trump got elected, and it happened again. One party had Congress and the President. They could do what they wanted. Finally, we would have balanced budgets, repealed and replaced Obamacare, an austere, fiscally responsible party had taken over. It was time to think about the future with... another round of massive tax cuts!!!
    Democrats always have to show how they're going to pay for their plans. That's the big question. How are we going to afford to pay for all of these programs? Warren has to answer. She can't just put it on the credit card. It'll boost the economy and we'll grow our way out. How many rounds of tax cuts are we going to take before enough is enough? This isn't working.
    A politician or elected official only looks toward the future as far as the next election. Anything past the next election is someone else's problem. None of them want to jeopardize their reelection chances. To do something about the massive debt requires a lot of spending cuts and raising taxes. Road block. Democrats don't want to cut spending or programs, Republicans don't want to raise taxes. Hence your credit card approach.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I'm not insulting the hell out of voters, you are. I don't think people are stupid or evil, just wrong about some topics or subjects. There is nothing one sided, you should stop projecting.
    You should look up the word "Wrong" and pay attention to the synonymous meaning... before you make such a claim.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    A politician or elected official only looks toward the future as far as the next election. Anything past the next election is someone else's problem. None of them want to jeopardize their reelection chances. To do something about the massive debt requires a lot of spending cuts and raising taxes. Road block. Democrats don't want to cut spending or programs, Republicans don't want to raise taxes. Hence your credit card approach.
    No, that's what I'm saying. Only the Republicans run up the credit card. Split government, you've got gridlock. Democratic control, you've got changes but tax increases to pay for the new spending. Only under undivided Republican government do we get deficit ballooning policies, usually in the form of massive tax cuts that are justified by pie in the sky theories about how they'll pay for themselves. How many rounds of tax cuts are we going to give the rich before we realize that this isn't working?

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by RealityNow View Post
    You should look up the word "Wrong" and pay attention to the synonymous meaning... before you make such a claim.
    Hair splitting bull****. By wrong I mean specifically incorrect about certain matters. Not the pejorative.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The thread topic is GOP obstruction to Obama and as stated the GOP had nothing to do with interest rate hikes nor the authority to do so. You want to discuss the reasons for the hikes start another thread. This is just typical of what we get from people like you, charges against the Republicans with nothing to support those charges. Liberalism has created people like you who cannot accept the basic fact that most of the problems in this country today were created by Democrats not Republicans


    Please see my post #32 and #52.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesmoke View Post
    Please see my post #32 and #52.
    What you continue to show is total lack of understanding of the Private sector as did Obama and what Obama actually proposed and did, promoted the public sector, bailed out the unions including teachers, and when his economic policies failed implemented ACA. That isn't leadership that the American people want which is why he lost the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Senate in 14-16. The American people will not vote for anyone proposing massive gov't entitlement programs. If obstructionist means preventing massive growth in the central gov't and UHC, then count me among the majority in this country. Not sure how Trump obstructed the Federal Reserve!!

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