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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Someone somewhere once said, "Elections have consequences". Obama seemed to forget that in his second term after Republicans took over one thousand seats from Democrats, gaining both the House and the Senate and yet the left became the resistance against what voters wanted. And yet Obama seemed to forget that elections have consequences and tried his best to thwart what Americans wanted during his second term. Even today voters have voted in a Republican president and a Republican Senate, and yet Democrats have formed the resistance, while only controlling 1/3 of the government. I'll give you Republican obstruction from 2009-2014 but ever since January 2015, it has been constant Democratic obstruction, which has lasted five years now.
    So you are ignoring that the Republican controlled Senate has ignored hundreds of Bills sent to them by the House. Noted ..

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    ....Krugman....(LOW MORDANT CHUCKLE)
    C'mon....at least try...
    Yes. Larry Kudlow or Lou Dobbs he isn't.
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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Yes. Larry Kudlow or Lou Dobbs he isn't.
    Well he's way more partisan than Lou Dobbs. Maybe not Kudlow
    But on a scale of partisan between 1 and 10 , Krugman is 9.7.

    thus a non -reliable source for anything.
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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Well he's way more partisan than Lou Dobbs. Maybe not Kudlow
    But on a scale of partisan between 1 and 10 , Krugman is 9.7.

    thus a non -reliable source for anything.
    Actually, generally far more accurate economic analysis than those on the right, who have been consistently proven wrong and refuse to admit it. Or just lie. Or flip and flop depending on which way the wing's blowing.

    Paul Ryan, 2011: "the debt poses an existential threat to all we hold dear".
    Mike Pence, 2020: deficits are fine if they promote growth.

    In speech, Mulvaney says Republicans are hypocritical on deficits

    When Obama in the White House: The job numbers are fake! The Fed is holding interest rates too low, inflation is nigh!!!
    When Trump is in the White House: The job numbers are great! The Fed is holding rates too high!!!
    Trump: "[W]hen you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Actually, generally far more accurate economic analysis than those on the right, who have been consistently proven wrong and refuse to admit it. Or just lie. Or flip and flop depending on which way the wing's blowing.

    Paul Ryan, 2011: "the debt poses an existential threat to all we hold dear".
    Mike Pence, 2020: deficits are fine if they promote growth.

    In speech, Mulvaney says Republicans are hypocritical on deficits

    When Obama in the White House: The job numbers are fake! The Fed is holding interest rates too low, inflation is nigh!!!
    When Trump is in the White House: The job numbers are great! The Fed is holding rates too high!!!
    And you buy rhetoric instead of actual results, the deficit today is growing entirely from debt service and entitlement spending. why is it people like you never address spending and which of the candidates running for the Democratic Nomination are going to focus on the deficit and debt?

    There is quite a difference between the Obama debt and Trump debt as I have explained many times and you ignored. When the gov't spends over 40% of GDP that impacts the deficit especially when that spending didn't create the jobs promised by Obama with his "shovel ready jobs stimulus" bill signed in February 2009.

    You think 6 million new taxpayers created in 9 years generates enough revenue to justify the massive gov't spending Obama generated?

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

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    And you buy rhetoric instead of actual results, the deficit today is growing entirely from debt service and entitlement spending. why is it people like you never address spending and which of the candidates running for the Democratic Nomination are going to focus on the deficit and debt?

    There is quite a difference between the Obama debt and Trump debt as I have explained many times and you ignored. When the gov't spends over 40% of GDP that impacts the deficit especially when that spending didn't create the jobs promised by Obama with his "shovel ready jobs stimulus" bill signed in February 2009.

    You think 6 million new taxpayers created in 9 years generates enough revenue to justify the massive gov't spending Obama generated?
    Interest is up because Trump and the GOP slashed taxes and we're running record non-recession deficits. There is no mystery that when you borrow more money you pay more interest.

    What have those tax-cuts cost in revenue? This is income taxes from corporations:



    Obama didn't generate "massive gov't spending." That's just another lie from the right wing. Below is spending during the Bush era vs spending during the Obama era. Notice how Obama spending grow massively compared to Bush? Me neither.

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Actually, generally far more accurate economic analysis than those on the right, who have been consistently proven wrong and refuse to admit it. Or just lie. Or flip and flop depending on which way the wing's blowing.

    Paul Ryan, 2011: "the debt poses an existential threat to all we hold dear".
    Mike Pence, 2020: deficits are fine if they promote growth.

    In speech, Mulvaney says Republicans are hypocritical on deficits

    When Obama in the White House: The job numbers are fake! The Fed is holding interest rates too low, inflation is nigh!!!
    When Trump is in the White House: The job numbers are great! The Fed is holding rates too high!!!
    Since you people continue to claim that tax cuts caused the deficits to rise why is it you haven't posted any data supporting those claims? Isn't it just possible that you don't really understand the taxes you pay and their purpose? I will never understand why the radical left cannot grasp the concept of personal responsibility and that tax cuts allow people to keep more of what they earn thus less need for a massive nanny state and entitlement programs

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Obama didn't generate "massive gov't spending." That's just another lie from the right wing. Below is spending during the Bush era vs spending during the Obama era. Notice how Obama spending grow massively compared to Bush? Me neither.

    Republicans from 2011 forward (when they won the House) sabotaged the recovery by pretending to being obsessively worried about the deficit. Had Obama enjoyed the spending and borrowing of the Trump years, unemployment would have been reduced to 4% by 2013.

    Think of all the misery faced by families because Republicans decided they couldn't give Obama a "win." Wow.
    Trump: "[W]hen you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Republicans from 2011 forward (when they won the House) sabotaged the recovery by pretending to being obsessively worried about the deficit. Had Obama enjoyed the spending and borrowing of the Trump years, unemployment would have been reduced to 4% by 2013.

    Think of all the misery faced by families because Republicans decided they couldn't give Obama a "win." Wow.
    Economist Paul Krugman pointed that out recently.
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    Re: Reexamining GOP obstruction in the obama era

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Republicans from 2011 forward (when they won the House) sabotaged the recovery by pretending to being obsessively worried about the deficit. Had Obama enjoyed the spending and borrowing of the Trump years, unemployment would have been reduced to 4% by 2013.

    Think of all the misery faced by families because Republicans decided they couldn't give Obama a "win." Wow.
    Opinion | Republican Cynicism May Win Trump Re-election - The New York Times
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