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Lets Raise Taxes, For Liberals

Piglet said:
Sounds like a good plan -- the money could be earmarked for liberal's favorite entitlement program.
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Universal healthcare would be the place to start imo.

Ranked: Cost of healthcare per capita in 21 different countries - Business Insider
According to data from OECD, the US spent $10,209 on healthcare per capita, or per person, in 2017. That's more than any other country in OECD's 36-country consortium, and over $2,000 more than Switzerland, the second-highest spending country.

The USA spends over 20% more per person than Switzerland, the next closest country. Correct my math if it's wrong, but that sounds like 20% of approximately 3.5 trillion dollars. Those savings would put a serious dent in your deficit. If you were like Canada, and many other Western nations, you would have saved approximately 50% of 3.5 trillion dollars.

NOTE: I know some Americans, big Trump supporters, who have diabetes and can't afford to go to the doctor to get it treated. Yet they still hate the idea of "Socialist" medicine. I'm sure that's not rare at all in the USA. That kind of brainwashing pisses me off.
 
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Tbird19482 said:
First of all STOP trying to change what I have said, YOU use to try and do that all the time back before you got kicked off TOPIX.
and they take over on Jan 20 not 21
So now you are subtracting the 350 B. form the debt on the day he took office
Obama put that on the debt AFTER he took office ( before you wanted to add it to the Obama debt now you want to take it off, YOU can't subtract it from the debt on Jan 20, 2009 when He didn't spend it yet.)
well again the debt was 10.6 T and X that by 2 and you get 21.2 T ( that is before the 350 B you keep talking about ) Remember you keep telling me the President takes over the debt on the day he takes over , and according to the US Treasury website it was 10.6 T
and I added the 350 B to Obama and took it off Bush seeing Obama spent it AFTER he took office. ( I don't know what more you want )
and besides I was showing that it is a Republican LIE that he ran the debt up MORE then ALL of the other Presidents COMBINED and YOU just admitted HE didn't and Reagan , Bush I Bush II ran it up MORE then he did
and as for the other Republican lie that he doubled the debt AGAIN take that 10.6 T and X it by 2 and you get 21.2 T and when Trump took over it was in the 19 T area
have a nice night
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Wow!! You are absolutely unbelievable!! I gave you the link to the debt by day and gave you the amount of TARP loans that Bush paid out and still you cannot admit when wrong. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?

You are really fixated on defending Obama and still want to believe budgets are spending authority, they AREN'T!! They are guidelines TO spending. You really are a typical liberal as you word smith almost everything to divert from your own ignorance. Whether it was 10.2 or 10.6 in debt is irrelevant, the reality is Obama added 9.3 trillion to the debt in 8 years, Reagan, GH and GW bush were in office 20 years. Still don't get it do you? You are like a child refusing to accept any responsibility for being wrong. Have a great day
 
Conservative said:
Wow!! You are absolutely unbelievable!! I gave you the link to the debt by day and gave you the amount of TARP loans that Bush paid out and still you cannot admit when wrong. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?

You are really fixated on defending Obama and still want to believe budgets are spending authority, they AREN'T!! They are guidelines TO spending. You really are a typical liberal as you word smith almost everything to divert from your own ignorance. Whether it was 10.2 or 10.6 in debt is irrelevant, the reality is Obama added 9.3 trillion to the debt in 8 years, Reagan, GH and GW bush were in office 20 years. Still don't get it do you? You are like a child refusing to accept any responsibility for being wrong. Have a great day
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First of all it was I who gave you the US Treasury website not the other way around
I have been using it for years , it was you that use to insist that the National debt clock was more accurate then the US Treasury website till I showed you where the people that run the debt clock use the Treasury info to update the clock.
and IF you had read my post you would have known that all I was doing was showing a poster on here that he was still telling the Republican LIE that Obama ran the debt up more then ALL presidents before him combined
and YOU have finally admitted he didn't
and I was also showing him that Obama did NOT double the debt like the other Right wing LIE says.
again IF he did either way using the 10.2 or 10.6 the debt when Trump took over was NOT as large as if Obama did double it
Have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
First of all it was I who gave you the US Treasury website not the other way around
I have been using it for years , it was you that use to insist that the National debt clock was more accurate then the US Treasury website till I showed you where the people that run the debt clock use the Treasury info to update the clock.
and IF you had read my post you would have known that all I was doing was showing a poster on here that he was still telling the Republican LIE that Obama ran the debt up more then ALL presidents before him combined
and YOU have finally admitted he didn't
and I was also showing him that Obama did NOT double the debt like the other Right wing LIE says.
again IF he did either way using the 10.2 or 10.6 the debt when Trump took over was NOT as large as if Obama did double it
Have a nice day
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You are delusional and part of the problem not the solutions. whether Obama doubled the debt or not is irrelevant, he added 9.3 trillion to it in 8 years and that is what matters.

Have a nice day
 
Conservative said:
You are delusional and part of the problem not the solutions. whether Obama doubled the debt or not is irrelevant, he added 9.3 trillion to it in 8 years and that is what matters.

Have a nice day
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What don't you understand ???
I am not saying he didn't put 9.3 T on the debt, I have said many many times he did,
all I am saying is that the poster I was replying to was wrong and I just pointed that out
YOU have finally admitted Obama did NOT double the debt and if he didn't double the debt he could not have run the debt up more then ALL the Presidents before him combined.
I was just showing him that he was still repeating Right wing lies and showed him the facts
Have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
What don't you understand ???
I am not saying he didn't put 9.3 T on the debt, I have said many many times he did,
all I am saying is that the poster I was replying to was wrong and I just pointed that out
YOU have finally admitted Obama did NOT double the debt and if he didn't double the debt he could not have run the debt up more then ALL the Presidents before him combined.
I was just showing him that he was still repeating Right wing lies and showed him the facts
Have a nice day
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Why does it matter if that poster is right or wrong about doubling the debt, isn't 9.3 trillion a disaster in the real world? Why isn't that the issue vs. wordsmithing what someone else says?

Whether or not Obama doubled the debt is irrelevant, he added 9.3 trillion to it which is the issue!! have a nice day
 
Conservative said:
Why does it matter if that poster is right or wrong about doubling the debt, isn't 9.3 trillion a disaster in the real world? Why isn't that the issue vs. wordsmithing what someone else says?

Whether or not Obama doubled the debt is irrelevant, he added 9.3 trillion to it which is the issue!! have a nice day
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OMG
what is wrong with you?
fact is AGAIN I never said Obama didn't run the debt up 9.3 T and that it wasn't a bad thing.
well I was just trying to show this person that both of those Right wing lies are just that LIES
and another thing in order to get us out of a deep recession the you have to spend your way out or go into a war like WWII ( and still spend your way out ) so what one would you rather see Obama do?
and again the recovery could have been more robust IF the Republicans would have taken the welfare of the people of this country first and made making Obama a one term President second but they didn't give a dang about the welfare of the people and concentrated on doing everything they could to make Obama a one term President
Have a nice day
 
DebateChallenge said:
Its usually the liberals who always want to raise taxes. So here is what I propose, we do raise taxes, but only for liberals.
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I've often thought that some state somewhere should try an opt-in experiment with state run healthcare where you have to choose to join and opt-in to the tax burden.

By opting in you wouldn't be denied access to the private system, but by not opting in you WOULD be denied access to the public system.

I don't think it is as crazy an idea as many think.

I don't know if it would work or not, but it might. I think the biggest hurdle is the state using it's power to hamstring the private system, so any such program would have to explicitly limit state regulation of the private system.
 
Tbird19482 said:
OMG
what is wrong with you?
fact is AGAIN I never said Obama didn't run the debt up 9.3 T and that it wasn't a bad thing.
well I was just trying to show this person that both of those Right wing lies are just that LIES
and another thing in order to get us out of a deep recession the you have to spend your way out or go into a war like WWII ( and still spend your way out ) so what one would you rather see Obama do?
and again the recovery could have been more robust IF the Republicans would have taken the welfare of the people of this country first and made making Obama a one term President second but they didn't give a dang about the welfare of the people and concentrated on doing everything they could to make Obama a one term President
Have a nice day
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9.3 trillion added to debt to generate 4.2 trillion in GDP and add 6 million jobs to an economy that had 146 million employed in 2008 is terrible economic performance in spite of your support for Obama

Trump is blowing those results away and Trump didn't have the benefits of what has been called the worst recession since the Great depression. Worst recession should have generated better results

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Conservative said:
9.3 trillion added to debt to generate 4.2 trillion in GDP and add 6 million jobs to an economy that had 146 million employed in 2008 is terrible economic performance in spite of your support for Obama

Trump is blowing those results away and Trump didn't have the benefits of what has been called the worst recession since the Great depression. Worst recession should have generated better results

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again you show us that you don't understand that in a recession / depression unemployment ( employment ) always lags and will keep getting worse even after the recession starts turning around , Unemployment did not bottom out till the fall of 2009 when it went up to over 10%
the loss of those jobs between the time they say the recession turned around and the time Unemployment bottomed out was NOT Obama's fault ( you can't turn that around in a day, or even a month, it takes time.)
YOU only want to take the employment numbers from before the unemployment rates bottomed out
fact is the unemployment rate went up to over 10% and you don't want to give Obama the credit for getting the amount of jobs back bringing it back up to what it was before the recession bottomed out.
Fact is in the fall of 2009 it was over 10% and when Trump took over it was 4.7% over a 5% drop in the unemployment rate. ( and you don't want to admit that fact )
and yes the way you want to count it there were only 6 M. jobs created
but if you take it from where Unemployment bottomed out it is a lot higher.
Have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
again you show us that you don't understand that in a recession / depression unemployment ( employment ) always lags and will keep getting worse even after the recession starts turning around , Unemployment did not bottom out till the fall of 2009 when it went up to over 10%
the loss of those jobs between the time they say the recession turned around and the time Unemployment bottomed out was NOT Obama's fault ( you can't turn that around in a day, or even a month, it takes time.)
YOU only want to take the employment numbers from before the unemployment rates bottomed out
fact is the unemployment rate went up to over 10% and you don't want to give Obama the credit for getting the amount of jobs back bringing it back up to what it was before the recession bottomed out.
Fact is in the fall of 2009 it was over 10% and when Trump took over it was 4.7% over a 5% drop in the unemployment rate. ( and you don't want to admit that fact )
and yes the way you want to count it there were only 6 M. jobs created
but if you take it from where Unemployment bottomed out it is a lot higher.
Have a nice day
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LOL, that lagging unemployment and employment lasted for 8 years showing how little Obama and you understand about the private sector. Keep making excuses for the Obama failure as his legacy was rejected and Trump now has a 55% approval rating on the economy

I don't want to do anything of the sort regarding employment and unemployment, I post the official data in context which you don't seem to understand. unemployment rate, the U3 is irrelevant, the U6 is what matters because that is the rate that measures the under employed or the effectiveness of economic policies. You see, part tim efor economic reason employees are those wanting a full time job during that Obama economy and couldn't find one yet are counted as employed, what speaks volumes is the FACT that the U-6 never got back to pre recession levels nor did the number of part time for economic reasons under Obama

You want to ignore that during the first qtr of the "worst recession since the Great Depression" WITH a Democratic Congress there were 146 million Americans employed, when Obama left office in 2017 there were 152 million employed, that is 6 million new jobs created during that period of time. You want to ignore that 4 million jobs were lost in 2009 and only one million of those returned in 2010. The Obama economic policies were a failure as is your logic and lack of understanding of context
 
Conservative said:
LOL, that lagging unemployment and employment lasted for 8 years showing how little Obama and you understand about the private sector. Keep making excuses for the Obama failure as his legacy was rejected and Trump now has a 55% approval rating on the economy

I don't want to do anything of the sort regarding employment and unemployment, I post the official data in context which you don't seem to understand. unemployment rate, the U3 is irrelevant, the U6 is what matters because that is the rate that measures the under employed or the effectiveness of economic policies. You see, part tim efor economic reason employees are those wanting a full time job during that Obama economy and couldn't find one yet are counted as employed, what speaks volumes is the FACT that the U-6 never got back to pre recession levels nor did the number of part time for economic reasons under Obama

You want to ignore that during the first qtr of the "worst recession since the Great Depression" WITH a Democratic Congress there were 146 million Americans employed, when Obama left office in 2017 there were 152 million employed, that is 6 million new jobs created during that period of time. You want to ignore that 4 million jobs were lost in 2009 and only one million of those returned in 2010. The Obama economic policies were a failure as is your logic and lack of understanding of context
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So you say that the unemployment rate lagged in this country under Obama
again it always lags coming out of a recession / depression so unemployment went up to just over 10% in late 2009 and was 4.7% when Trump took over a drop of over 5.3%
and again you don't get out of a recession over night. the Dem's were in charge of Congress during the part of the recession when it started to turn around and IF they would have had some help from the Republicans we may have had a more robust recovery BUT no the Republicans didn't care about the American people and their welfare they were too busy doing everything they could to make Obama a one term President
and trying to do everything they could to make the recession worse so they could say see what Obama did he ran us into a depression and we need to get him out of office
and if you remember McConnell even said out load that they were going to do everything they could to make Obama a one term President and he did.
have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
So you say that the unemployment rate lagged in this country under Obama
again it always lags coming out of a recession / depression so unemployment went up to just over 10% in late 2009 and was 4.7% when Trump took over a drop of over 5.3%
and again you don't get out of a recession over night. the Dem's were in charge of Congress during the part of the recession when it started to turn around and IF they would have had some help from the Republicans we may have had a more robust recovery BUT no the Republicans didn't care about the American people and their welfare they were too busy doing everything they could to make Obama a one term President
and trying to do everything they could to make the recession worse so they could say see what Obama did he ran us into a depression and we need to get him out of office
and if you remember McConnell even said out load that they were going to do everything they could to make Obama a one term President and he did.
have a nice day
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What I am saying and you ignoring that the only rate that matters is the U-6 not the U-3, learn the difference and get back to me. Easy to skew the U-3 not the U-6. Please stop making a fool of yourself

your loyalty and support for Obama is certainly appreciated by Obama but is irrelevant today, he is out of office and his legacy is on the books regardless of what you want to believe
 
Jetboogieman said:
It’s simply a team flag for many.

Politics is simply a sport they are meant to win, not one where what they believe is necessarily sincere and should improve the nation, they don’t understand what they think they believe beyond the bumper sticker slogan.
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Best post I've ever read on here.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Another “conservative” who advocates for situational ethics and law... great.
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That already exists for protected classes of people, invented by who else, liberals! So this would just finally allow liberals to put their money where their mouths are. Since liberals lover big govt, they get to pay 75% of their income in taxes, while conservatives pay only 25%. :lol:
 
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