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Eliminate Payroll Taxes and Flat Tax Everything Sold

Jimmy Who

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That way everyone pays?
 
That would only create more black markets, especially among the poor that couldn't afford such a tax.
 
Jimmy Who said:
That way everyone pays?
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Eliminate the max limit on payroll taxes so that the amount of income over that limit pay "payroll taxes" for the entire amount of their pay and thus better fund SS.
 
tacomancer said:
That would only create more black markets, especially among the poor that couldn't afford such a tax.
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I would presume the people who run the black markets would be buying stuff so actually it would be difficult to avoid
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I would presume the people who run the black markets would be buying stuff so actually it would be difficult to avoid
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or crime would increase
 
Jimmy Who said:
That way everyone pays?
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Everyone pays, but it's essentially taxing the poor and working class. I would raise income taxes, but make the first 70,000 dollars of income untaxed
 
Fix spending, then you don't have to do a thing about taxes.
 
Jimmy Who said:
That way everyone pays?
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One, why is this in the "government spending and debt" area of the forums?

Two, the answer is because it would encourage criminal enterprise for markets where demand existed but with motivation to avoid higher "flat sales taxes."

Lastly, why do you dislike the lowest income earners? (The lowest income quintile is who is economically harmed the most.)
 
The "fair" tax is just more right wing trickle down vomit.
 
OrphanSlug said:
One, why is this in the "government spending and debt" area of the forums?

Two, the answer is because it would encourage criminal enterprise for markets where demand existed but with motivation to avoid higher "flat sales taxes."

Lastly, why do you dislike the lowest income earners? (The lowest income quintile is who is economically harmed the most.)
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If a bum buys a bottle or a wealthy person buys a yacht. Who pays more? The key is they both pay.
 
Helix said:
The "fair" tax is just more right wing trickle down vomit.
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VAT taxes are in effect in most of the developed world including Europe. Not that I am in favor of such a tax but your description shows lack of understanding.
 
washunut said:
VAT taxes are in effect in most of the developed world including Europe. Not that I am in favor of such a tax but your description shows lack of understanding.
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True, and the proceeds are used in part to fund things like UHC and family leave and other social welfare programs available to everyone. So the regressive nature of the tax is offset by the progressive benefits funded by the tax.

Also, the "FAIR" tax isn't the VAT, because the FAIR tax would as proposed eliminate all income and payroll taxes in favor of one big national RST. Europe and almost everywhere else pairs the VAT with pretty progressive income tax systems.
 
i think shifting the tax burden down to poor Republicans is a great idea.
 
devildavid said:
Regressive taxes suck.
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They do, for the most part but what's key is the system as a whole. Gutting social services when implementing a FAIR tax would be a disaster. Adopting a VAT or national RST in part to fund MFA would be OK with me. The net change in welfare, especially those at the bottom, is clearly progressive as they'd pay far less in added taxes for a guaranteed healthcare plan for them and their children.
 
washunut said:
VAT taxes are in effect in most of the developed world including Europe. Not that I am in favor of such a tax but your description shows lack of understanding.
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i understand it just fine. i didn't support "fair" tax even when i was a right winger. it's nothing more than a way to replace progressive income taxes with more trickle down.
 
Helix said:
i understand it just fine. i didn't support "fair" tax even when i was a right winger. it's nothing more than a way to replace progressive income taxes with more trickle down.
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Our current tax system is totally messed up. I believe in a progressive tax system. That being said there are a number of ways of achieving that. Reducing the number of tiers will a very high standard deduction and eliminating most if not all deductions would go a long way to bettering the system. Getting rid of the number of taxes such as payroll and sales and excise taxes could also be helpful.

I don't throw ideas away because one side or the other advocates it.
 
devildavid said:
Regressive taxes suck.
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why? is it regressive for a guy making minimum wage to pay the same for a cheeseburger or a ticket to a movie as a rich guy? should a millionaire pay 10,000 dollars for his driver's license because you have to pay 45 dollars?

Life is regressive. And you should pay the same fees for the same value received.
 
I don't think food should be taxed at all.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Wrong answer.

There are billions lost every year with the current underground economy.
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And this could create more of that type of activity.
 
washunut said:
Our current tax system is totally messed up. I believe in a progressive tax system. That being said there are a number of ways of achieving that. Reducing the number of tiers will a very high standard deduction and eliminating most if not all deductions would go a long way to bettering the system. Getting rid of the number of taxes such as payroll and sales and excise taxes could also be helpful.

I don't throw ideas away because one side or the other advocates it.
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i support taxing all income as income above a cap. there is no good reason for a billionaire investor to be exempted from the bracket system.
 
rocket88 said:
Everyone pays, but it's essentially taxing the poor and working class. I would raise income taxes, but make the first 70,000 dollars of income untaxed
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This is another example of not wanting to pay taxes but wanting the services they use every day. Welfare at it's finest.
 
Jimmy Who said:
If a bum buys a bottle or a wealthy person buys a yacht. Who pays more? The key is they both pay.
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A wealthy person paying a hundred dollars in not equal to a poor person paying ten. How about we just close all the tax loopholes that allow the wealthy to avoid paying their fair share of taxes?
 
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