Before Taxing More

There should be accountability for the taxes we already pay.

Jimmy Who said:

There should be accountability for the taxes we already pay.

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There should be accountability for the tax cuts that Trump gave over a trillion bucks of our national treasure away to the rich and large corps for having done nothing and our getting nothing in return. As Trump said to his friends "You all just got a lot richer,".

Jimmy Who said:

There should be accountability for the taxes we already pay.

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Meaning exactly what?

Meaning would anyone give more money to someone if they don't know were the other money they just gave went?

bluesmoke said:

There should be accountability for the tax cuts that Trump gave over a trillion bucks of our national treasure away to the rich and large corps for having done nothing and our getting nothing in return. As Trump said to his friends "You all just got a lot richer,".

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Again it is time we had a balanced budget amendment with some real teeth in it
where we could not spend more then we take in except in time of war or a really deep recession / depression
and have a 1% sales tax that would be used ONLY to pay off the debt and when that is paid off it would be suspended and could only be reinstated if we had another because of a recession / depression
and everybody would pay this sales tax and there would be no exceptions not be deductible on fit
even large Corps would have to pay this sales tax
everybody got some benefit from running up the debt so everybody should pay this sales tax to pay it off
Have a nice day

bluesmoke said:

There should be accountability for the tax cuts,".

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Why Wages Are Finally Rising, 10 Years After the Recession - The New York Times

Why Wages Are Finally Rising, 10 Years After the Recession
Workers at lower end of pay scale getting most benefit from rising wages
Workers at the lower end of the pay scale finally are getting the most benefit from rising wages

There's the accountabililty.

comments?

bluesmoke said:

TTrump gave over a trillion bucks of our national treasure away to the rich and large corps ".

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No money form the national treasure was ' given' to anybody but people on the lowest end of the income spectrum.

please correct your post or risk being labelled a liar or or completely ignorant of facts.

Ok paying off owed money is always a good thing but not getting back in debt is better. Why would you give tax cuts to anyone when you owe money. Especially to the wealthy? We the people should know what are government State or Fed on the budget, including subsidies and loopholes. Pay offs and kick backs. Republican or Democrat. They should all be held Accountable. Before I give them more money.

Jimmy Who said:

Ok paying off owed money is always a good thing but not getting back in debt is better. Why would you give tax cuts to anyone when you owe money. Especially to the wealthy? We the people should know what are government State or Fed on the budget, including subsidies and loopholes. Pay offs and kick backs. Republican or Democrat. They should all be held Accountable. Before I give them more money.

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Congress critters are accountable to their state/district voters. If deficit spending did not get them re-elected (achieve political success) at a rate of over 90% then they might consider ending that practice. Until then, you can rest assured that they will continue to do what has proven to be so politically successful.

Most of the lower income people got a raise though their states raising the minimum wage or though their companies giving them more money on a salary income but working them 2x the hours. If you do the math most of them are only making about $10 an hour with no time in a half. Average it out and it sounds like everyone is doing better. Not to mention when the ones supplying everything finds out that people got a raise or a tax cut and the price goes up.

Would you give your kid a $1 then he or she comes back 10min later and asks for another $1 would you give that $1 without asking where the first one went? Why Do That With Government?

Jimmy Who said:

Would you give your kid a $1 then he or she comes back 10min later and asks for another $1 would you give that $1 without asking where the first one went? Why Do That With Government?

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A major flaw in your analogy is that the kid cannot put you in jail if you do not pay them another $1 (annually via taxation).

Are you under the impression that the government (federal, state, and local governments, all) do not make public their budgets and their fiscal results?

Lol true but we that vote them in allow them to miss spend tax dollars and then raise our Taxes. We are responsible. Government is a Good thing, who we put in it may be bad. Democrat or Republican.

Jimmy Who said:

Would you give your kid a $1 then he or she comes back 10min later and asks for another $1 would you give that $1 without asking where the first one went? Why Do That With Government?

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There's no secret where the money goes.

What is considered making a budget public?

I see a budget. I don't see money under corrupt, kick backs and misspent?

Jimmy Who said:

There should be accountability for the taxes we already pay.

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Good luck with that. We have very few elected officials who believe in fiscal responsibility. For me, every time I have the opportunity to vote against a tax increase, or a proponent of tax increases, I do so.

I pay nearly 30% of my total income to government in one way or another. That is too much as it is, let alone giving them more.

Tbird19482 said:

Again it is time we had a balanced budget amendment with some real teeth in it
where we could not spend more then we take in except in time of war or a really deep recession / depression
and have a 1% sales tax that would be used ONLY to pay off the debt and when that is paid off it would be suspended and could only be reinstated if we had another because of a recession / depression
and everybody would pay this sales tax and there would be no exceptions not be deductible on fit
even large Corps would have to pay this sales tax
everybody got some benefit from running up the debt so everybody should pay this sales tax to pay it off
Have a nice day

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Never gonna happen. Besides, what you say is so generalized, you'd need to do a great deal of fleshing-out just to have enough detail to debate properly.

KLATTU said:

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Why Wages Are Finally Rising, 10 Years After the Recession - The New York Times

Why Wages Are Finally Rising, 10 Years After the Recession
Workers at lower end of pay scale getting most benefit from rising wages
Workers at the lower end of the pay scale finally are getting the most benefit from rising wages

There's the accountabililty.

comments?

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I guess you’re saying that the accountability I mention has occurred by “Workers at the lower end of the pay scale finally are getting the most benefit from rising wages” and that “Workers at the lower end of the pay scale finally are getting the most benefit from rising wages”.

First of all, what you say would not complete accountability because the rich and large corps continue getting the increased income from the giveaway tax-cuts they neither need, deserve nor serve the economy.

Several points noticed in one of your linked articles:

“the minimum-wage increases account for a quarter to a third of low-wage workers’ gains over the past three years.”

Meaning, if not for what the government did that increased the income for the “workers at the lower end of the pay scale” then they would not be “getting the most benefit from rising wages”.

And,

African-American workers have seen smaller gains over the course of the recovery, for example.

Why do you suppose that is?

Lastly,

“Average hourly earnings in April were 3.2 percent higher than a year earlier, the ninth straight month in which growth topped 3 percent, the Labor Department reported Friday.”

Let’s also take a look at production and nonsupervisory employee figures from the BLS:

Real average weekly earnings increased 0.2 percent over the month due to the increase in real average
hourly earnings combined with no change in average weekly hours.

From September 2018 to September 2019, real average hourly earnings increased 1.9 percent, seasonally adjusted. The change in real average hourly earnings combined with a 0.3-percent decrease in the average workweek resulted in a 1.6-percent increase in real average weekly earnings over this period.

Wow. I guess things really changed from those 9 straight mos. through April 2019 of topping 3% in your linked article to end up at 1.9% hourly and 1.6% weekly for the 12 mos. ending Aug. 2019 as given in the actual BLS Summary Report.

“Real” meaning adjusted for inflation. Weekly figures are more telling than hourly as hourly does not account for actual hrs. worked as weekly does. As you can see, it makes a difference.

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I’m taking my source as given over your linked articles. Your claims are insignificant and refuted.

KLATTU said:

No money form the national treasure was ' given' to anybody but people on the lowest end of the income spectrum.

please correct your post or risk being labelled a liar or or completely ignorant of facts.

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Shiver me timbers! The black spot of KLATTU! AAAARGH!

First of all, to do with correction, ignorance and facts, please refer to my recent reply to your prior post wherein I corrected you as to the facts which you were ignorant of. You need not make any correction. I did that for you. You can agree to the facts if you wish. Or, you can cling to your ignorance. BTW, that you were wrong does not make you a liar.

As to this post, “the lowest end of the income spectrum” had no change in their income tax rate. So, unlike you said, they could not have been given anything. Something you were obviously ignorant of.

Tax policy is not about giving the government revenues to spend, it is about enacting political, social and moral policies via the tax code. In some cases, taxes can heat up or cool down an economy. Taxes are a tool of fiscal policy as any econ 101 student knows. The government can spend money without taxing us for it, they do it all the time.

Jimmy Who said:

There should be accountability for the taxes we already pay.

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Yep, the Defense department failed an audit and yet their budget keeps increasing. You would think the politicians (ALL OF THEM) would say your budget wills tay the same until you can pass an audit.

Jimmy Who said:

Meaning would anyone give more money to someone if they don't know were the other money they just gave went?

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Every single department of the federal government publishes its budget, including where all the money is spent, in mind-numbing detail. It's all public.

The only exception I know of is classified military projects.

Maybe you should do your homework before making such inane suggestions.

Visbek said:

Every single department of the federal government publishes its budget, including where all the money is spent, in mind-numbing detail. It's all public.

The only exception I know of is classified military projects.

Maybe you should do your homework before making such inane suggestions.

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I apologize maybe I am missing something? Could you please send me a link to what you are referring to? Thx