Budget deficit smashes $1 trillion mark, the highest in seven years

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

Conservative said:
what you continue to show is your ignorance of the entire budget process, you are the one stating that Bush was responsible for the entire 2009 deficit with the exception of approximately250 billion in stimulus spending whereas I proved you wrong as Presidents are responsible for spending after day one of taking office. What you are saying is that Obama didn't have any control over the budget that Bush submitted that was REJECTED by Congress.

Now you want to move the goal posts to divert from your inability to answer the direct question about debt service, TARP repayments, and entitlement spending

Trump has to deal with a slowdown in the economy that the official results showed for 2016 whereas Obama gave us the worst recovery from a major recession in modern history. Reality sucks in the liberal world. Slow but recovering?? LOL, 8 years in office and yet you cannot bring yourself to admit what a failure Obama was. Have a nice day.

I have said several times go ahead and add what Obama added to the debt under the Bush budget in 2009 it still would be smaller then what Reagan, Bush II and Trump have added
and again You don't even have to bring the 1988 dollars up to 2017 dollars and it would still be smaller, IF you bring the Reagan debt and Bush debt up to 2017 dollars and add Trumps debt to it in 2017 dollars it would be a LOT higher , but you don't want to put it all on a level playing field, because it makes you look even worse then you look now.
and as for the rest of your questions I will answer them when you show us where you got your info that Trump was only going to run the debt up 2.4 T
You keep running away from answering that question
and again the Economy was slow in its recovery under Obama I have already said that
and I have also said it could have been more robust IF the republicans would have taken and put the welfare of the People and Country ahead of trying to make Obama a one term President
But they didn't and it only shows that they don't care about this country or the people they represent.
and again employment always lags in a recession but you don't seem to understand that fact
we started coming out of the recession in the summer of 2009 , again employment lags so it bottomed out in the fall of 2009 at 10% and when Trump took over it was in the area of 4.8%
a drop of over 5.2 %
but you don't want to except that fact and you want to take it from the day Obama took office,
well again you some how think Obama could just turn it all around in one day well NOBODY can
now tell us how Trump is only going to run the debt up 2,4 T in his first 4 years ( seeing he is already well over 3 T )
Have a nice day

Conservative · Jan 21, 2020

Tbird19482;1071214073]I have said several times go ahead and add what Obama added to the debt under the Bush budget in 2009 it still would be smaller then what Reagan, Bush II and Trump have added
and again You don't even have to bring the 1988 dollars up to 2017 dollars and it would still be smaller, IF you bring the Reagan debt and Bush debt up to 2017 dollars and add Trumps debt to it in 2017 dollars it would be a LOT higher , but you don't want to put it all on a level playing field, because it makes you look even worse then you look now.

Seems like the DNA of a liberal is hard headedness and an inability to admit when wrong, THERE WAS NO BUSH APPROVED BUDGET, it was REJECTED. Obama signed the 2009 budget in March. Bush had no spending authority after March 31. Then you want to put debt into 2017 dollars but not revenue, that is nothing more than typical partisan rhetoric on your part so explain to us all why you are so loyal to liberalism yet call yourself an idependent?

and as for the rest of your questions I will answer them when you show us where you got your info that Trump was only going to run the debt up 2.4 T
You keep running away from answering that question

Trump didn't run up the debt to 2.4 trillion dollars, debt service and entitlement spending did!! Now answer the damn question?

and again the Economy was slow in its recovery under Obama I have already said that
and I have also said it could have been more robust IF the republicans would have taken and put the welfare of the People and Country ahead of trying to make Obama a one term President

Tell us exactly what legislation Obama wanted that he didn't get? The recession ended in JUNE 2009, what did Obama do to boost economic growth and activity? You want to tout the declining deficits that occurred AFTER the GOP Took Congress because before that he had 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficits. You seem to believe the gov't is the answer to all your problems whereas Trump understands that people keeping more of what they earn is the real answer to the personal problems

But they didn't and it only shows that they don't care about this country or the people they represent.
and again employment always lags in a recession but you don't seem to understand that fact
we started coming out of the recession in the summer of 2009 , again employment lags so it bottomed out in the fall of 2009 at 10% and when Trump took over it was in the area of 4.8%

So caring about the country means paying higher taxes to bureaucrats so they can buy more votes? It is liberal selfishness to expect someone else to pay for your personal responsibility issues. Yes, the unemployment rate was 4.8% when Trump took over and that included 5.7 million part time jobs for economic reasons. It is 3.5% now with 4.3 million part time jobs for economic reasons and rather than 8% African American unemployment it is 5.9%. Keep showing us your ignorance of reality and data

Have a nice day, and keep allowing people to make a fool of you

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

Conservative said:
Seems like the DNA of a liberal is hard headedness and an inability to admit when wrong, THERE WAS NO BUSH APPROVED BUDGET, it was REJECTED. Obama signed the 2009 budget in March. Bush had no spending authority after March 31. Then you want to put debt into 2017 dollars but not revenue, that is nothing more than typical partisan rhetoric on your part so explain to us all why you are so loyal to liberalism yet call yourself an idependent?

Trump didn't run up the debt to 2.4 trillion dollars, debt service and entitlement spending did!! Now answer the damn question?

Tell us exactly what legislation Obama wanted that he didn't get? The recession ended in JUNE 2009, what did Obama do to boost economic growth and activity? You want to tout the declining deficits that occurred AFTER the GOP Took Congress because before that he had 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficits. You seem to believe the gov't is the answer to all your problems whereas Trump understands that people keeping more of what they earn is the real answer to the personal problems

So caring about the country means paying higher taxes to bureaucrats so they can buy more votes? It is liberal selfishness to expect someone else to pay for your personal responsibility issues. Yes, the unemployment rate was 4.8% when Trump took over and that included 5.7 million part time jobs for economic reasons. It is 3.5% now with 4.3 million part time jobs for economic reasons and rather than 8% African American unemployment it is 5.9%. Keep showing us your ignorance of reality and data

Have a nice day, and keep allowing people to make a fool of you

I am not arguing that Obama signed the 2009 Bush budget
I have even told you to go ahead and add in the money Obama spent in 2009, I have already told you you can take the debt from day one if you want
and no matter the total of what Reagan,Bush II and Trump added to the debt is still smaller then what Obama did
So you want to blame Obama for running up the debt but NOT Trump?
I see again you only want to blame Dem. Presidents for the debt but not the Republicans
we all see how you are.
Now YOU answer the question of where did you get your info that Trump was only going to run the debt up 2.4 T
you won't because it will show us that you do not know what you are talking about
SO answer the question then I will answer yours and stop trying to change the subject
Have a nice day

Conservative · Jan 21, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
I am not arguing that Obama signed the 2009 Bush budget
I have even told you to go ahead and add in the money Obama spent in 2009, I have already told you you can take the debt from day one if you want
and no matter the total of what Reagan,Bush II and Trump added to the debt is still smaller then what Obama did
So you want to blame Obama for running up the debt but NOT Trump?
I see again you only want to blame Dem. Presidents for the debt but not the Republicans
we all see how you are.
Now YOU answer the question of where did you get your info that Trump was only going to run the debt up 2.4 T
you won't because it will show us that you do not know what you are talking about
SO answer the question then I will answer yours and stop trying to change the subject
Have a nice day

What you refuse to answer is where did the 350 billion TARP repayment loaned by the Bush Administration go and why didn't that reduce the deficit?

Why didn't the stimulus for shovel ready jobs create the promised jobs thus taxpayers to boost tax revenue

You want badly to blame Trump while ignoring the Obama failures but the actual results and context don't support you and never will

Have a nice day

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

Conservative said:
What you refuse to answer is where did the 350 billion TARP repayment loaned by the Bush Administration go and why didn't that reduce the deficit?

Why didn't the stimulus for shovel ready jobs create the promised jobs thus taxpayers to boost tax revenue

You want badly to blame Trump while ignoring the Obama failures but the actual results and context don't support you and never will

Have a nice day

Again I will answer your question as soon as you finally give us an answer to the question where did you get your info that Trump was only going to run up the debt 2.4 T
and the only thing I am blaming Trump for is running up the debt MORE in his first three years in office in a " Great economy " then Obama did in 4 out of the 8 years he was in office. in a bad economy
and as for the shovel ready jobs
IF you go to the US Transportation dept's website you will see that there were 45,800 jobs created doing infrastructure building and repair
have a nice day

Conservative · Jan 21, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
Again I will answer your question as soon as you finally give us an answer to the question where did you get your info that Trump was only going to run up the debt 2.4 T
and the only thing I am blaming Trump for is running up the debt MORE in his first three years in office in a " Great economy " then Obama did in 4 out of the 8 years he was in office. in a bad economy
and as for the shovel ready jobs
IF you go to the US Transportation dept's website you will see that there were 45,800 jobs created doing infrastructure building and repair
have a nice day

Where did I say that Trump was going to run up the debt 2.4 trillion dollars and why does that even matter when Obama ran up the debt more than 9.3 trillion dollars and that should have been worse since he used TARP Repayment.

You continue to lie about Trump creating more debt than Obama so either answer the damn question about TARP Repayment and the failed stimulus program or stop having your posts seen on my screen, getting sick and tired of dealing with you and your own ignorance. Have a nice day

jonny5 · Jan 21, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
Again I will answer your question as soon as you finally give us an answer to the question where did you get your info that Trump was only going to run up the debt 2.4 T
and the only thing I am blaming Trump for is running up the debt MORE in his first three years in office in a " Great economy " then Obama did in 4 out of the 8 years he was in office. in a bad economy
and as for the shovel ready jobs
IF you go to the US Transportation dept's website you will see that there were 45,800 jobs created doing infrastructure building and repair
have a nice day

But Trump isnt running it up. The spending increases are primarily mandatory costs. Those were locked in partly decades ago, partly due to obamacare, and partly due to the doubling of the debt under Obama. Since taking office, discretionary spending has risen about 100bn. Mandatory spending has risen by about 200bn and interest by about 200bn. Revenue increases more than cover discretionary increases.

And the debt rose by about 5 trillion Obamas first 4 years. Trumps at about 2.5 trillion so far. Neither are acceptable.

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

Conservative said:
Where did I say that Trump was going to run up the debt 2.4 trillion dollars and why does that even matter when Obama ran up the debt more than 9.3 trillion dollars and that should have been worse since he used TARP Repayment.

You continue to lie about Trump creating more debt than Obama so either answer the damn question about TARP Repayment and the failed stimulus program or stop having your posts seen on my screen, getting sick and tired of dealing with you and your own ignorance. Have a nice day

Go back and read your post # 1140
YOU said Reagan ran it up 1.7 T in 8 yrs
Bush II 4.9 T ( I don't know where you got that but he is said to have run it up 5.8T / he took over the debt was 5.8 T and when Obama took over it was 11.6 T)
and Trump2.4T in 4 years
now after doing some research on TARP pay back money from everything I found says the pay back money was put back into the program to be used if needed again and I have found no info that Obama used it to keep the deficit down
so will you please show us where you got your info
have a nice evening

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

jonny5 said:
But Trump isnt running it up. The spending increases are primarily mandatory costs. Those were locked in partly decades ago, partly due to obamacare, and partly due to the doubling of the debt under Obama. Since taking office, discretionary spending has risen about 100bn. Mandatory spending has risen by about 200bn and interest by about 200bn. Revenue increases more than cover discretionary increases.

And the debt rose by about 5 trillion Obamas first 4 years. Trumps at about 2.5 trillion so far. Neither are acceptable.

OH so all that also happened under Obama and you right wingers say he ran up the debt but now that a Republican is in the WH it is not his fault
well you can't have it both ways
IF you are going to blame a DEM. President for running up the debt you also have to blame a Republican President for doing the same thing
and Obama did NOT double the debt
if you can add 11.5 ( or so ) and 11.5 you get 23 trillion and if you look up what the debt was on the day Trump took over ( that is the way Conservative likes to do it ) it was in the 19 T dollar range NOT 23 T
have a nice day

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

jonny5 said:
But Trump isnt running it up. The spending increases are primarily mandatory costs. Those were locked in partly decades ago, partly due to obamacare, and partly due to the doubling of the debt under Obama. Since taking office, discretionary spending has risen about 100bn. Mandatory spending has risen by about 200bn and interest by about 200bn. Revenue increases more than cover discretionary increases.

And the debt rose by about 5 trillion Obamas first 4 years. Trumps at about 2.5 trillion so far. Neither are acceptable.

Yes Obama did run it up more then 5 T in 4 years
and as of last Friday Trump has run it up 3.263T over 700 Billion more then what you said
and remember Obama took over in a deep recession and Trump took over in an economy that was a lot better
and he is still running up the debt bad and he is doing it in what he calls a GREAT economy
have a nice night

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

jonny5 said:
But Trump isnt running it up. The spending increases are primarily mandatory costs. Those were locked in partly decades ago, partly due to obamacare, and partly due to the doubling of the debt under Obama. Since taking office, discretionary spending has risen about 100bn. Mandatory spending has risen by about 200bn and interest by about 200bn. Revenue increases more than cover discretionary increases.

And the debt rose by about 5 trillion Obamas first 4 years. Trumps at about 2.5 trillion so far. Neither are acceptable.

PS and one more thing if Trump keeps going this way he will run it up almost as much as Obama did in his first four years and as I said Trump has what he calls a Great economy
have a nice night

Conservative · Jan 21, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
Go back and read your post # 1140
YOU said Reagan ran it up 1.7 T in 8 yrs
Bush II 4.9 T ( I don't know where you got that but he is said to have run it up 5.8T / he took over the debt was 5.8 T and when Obama took over it was 11.6 T)
and Trump2.4T in 4 years
now after doing some research on TARP pay back money from everything I found says the pay back money was put back into the program to be used if needed again and I have found no info that Obama used it to keep the deficit down
so will you please show us where you got your info
have a nice evening

Of course you didn't find where it was put back because it wasn't but was part of the deficit for 2009. If it was put back it would have reduced the deficit, Google Tim Geithner as to what he did with TARP repayment

You are nothing but a partisan liberal hack as you continue to believe that Obama took over the debt was 11.6 trillion, that is nowhere to be found in the Treasury data site as that is what it was Oct. 2009 showing again you have no understanding of what goes into the budget and how much Obama contributed to it

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Date
Debt Held by the Public
Intragovernmental Holdings
Total Public Debt Outstanding
01/21/2009
6,307,084,792,840.85
4,317,968,751,468.94
10,625,053,544,309.79

09/30/2009
7,551,861,558,736.77
4,357,967,444,774.98
11,909,829,003,511.75

Debt when Obama took office was 10.6 trillion dollars including 350 billion TARP LOANS. Bush spending authority ended in March 2009, repayment was after March

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

Conservative said:
Of course you didn't find where it was put back because it wasn't but was part of the deficit for 2009. If it was put back it would have reduced the deficit, Google Tim Geithner as to what he did with TARP repayment

You are nothing but a partisan liberal hack as you continue to believe that Obama took over the debt was 11.6 trillion, that is nowhere to be found in the Treasury data site as that is what it was Oct. 2009 showing again you have no understanding of what goes into the budget and how much Obama contributed to it

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Debt when Obama took office was 10.6 trillion dollars including 350 billion TARP LOANS. Bush spending authority ended in March 2009, repayment was after March

It doesn't matter if you knew how to add 10.6 and 10.6 it is still more then the 19 or so Trillion Obama left trump
and it still proves that the Right wing has been telling a lie for years.
and that LIE is that Obama doubled the debt
10.6 X 2 = 21.2
again it only shows us that the right wing lies and a lot of them are too stupid to figure it out and only follow the crowd . just like good sheep
and one more thing you keep saying we have to go by the day the President took office
again you can double either one of them and it is still LOWER then the 19T Obama left
and as I said everything I have read says the TARP money was collected by the Treasury and kept to fund future Tarp type programs
IF you have some proof that it was used for something else / used to reduce the deficit then post it and back up what you say
have a nice day

Conservative · Jan 21, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
It doesn't matter if you knew how to add 10.6 and 10.6 it is still more then the 19 or so Trillion Obama left trump
and it still proves that the Right wing has been telling a lie for years.
and that LIE is that Obama doubled the debt
10.6 X 2 = 21.2
again it only shows us that the right wing lies and a lot of them are too stupid to figure it out and only follow the crowd . just like good sheep
and one more thing you keep saying we have to go by the day the President took office
again you can double either one of them and it is still LOWER then the 19T Obama left
and as I said everything I have read says the TARP money was collected by the Treasury and kept to fund future Tarp type programs
IF you have some proof that it was used for something else / used to reduce the deficit then post it and back up what you say
have a nice day

It is a lot of work and it takes a lot of patience to deal with someone like you who is so poorly educated and informed and I find it to be a waste of time. Have a good night

Tbird19482 · Jan 21, 2020

Conservative said:
It is a lot of work and it takes a lot of patience to deal with someone like you who is so poorly educated and informed and I find it to be a waste of time. Have a good night

RUN RUN RUN RUNAWAY
have a good night

jonny5 · Jan 22, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
OH so all that also happened under Obama and you right wingers say he ran up the debt but now that a Republican is in the WH it is not his fault
well you can't have it both ways
IF you are going to blame a DEM. President for running up the debt you also have to blame a Republican President for doing the same thing
and Obama did NOT double the debt
if you can add 11.5 ( or so ) and 11.5 you get 23 trillion and if you look up what the debt was on the day Trump took over ( that is the way Conservative likes to do it ) it was in the 19 T dollar range NOT 23 T
have a nice day

Im not a right winger and I didnt say that. You are stuck in a loop.

jonny5 · Jan 22, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
PS and one more thing if Trump keeps going this way he will run it up almost as much as Obama did in his first four years and as I said Trump has what he calls a Great economy
have a nice night

More like 60%. If you dont adjust for inflation or economic growth. WHy are you responding to the same post 4 times?

Tbird19482 · Jan 22, 2020

jonny5 said:
Im not a right winger and I didnt say that. You are stuck in a loop.

First of all I was saying that the people on the right tend to blame a Dem. President for all the debt and want to blame Congress for the debt when there is a Republican President that's all,
and my other point is that Trump will be running the debt up almost as much as Obama did in his first four years if he keeps going and if you remember Obama had to deal with a deep Recession and Trump is dealing with what he calls a great economy
and in Trumps first two years the Republicans had complete control of the US government and ran on cutting the debt but still ran it up more then Obama did in at lease 3 of the 8 years he was in office
have a nice day

Conservative · Jan 22, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
It doesn't matter if you knew how to add 10.6 and 10.6 it is still more then the 19 or so Trillion Obama left trump
and it still proves that the Right wing has been telling a lie for years.
and that LIE is that Obama doubled the debt
10.6 X 2 = 21.2
again it only shows us that the right wing lies and a lot of them are too stupid to figure it out and only follow the crowd . just like good sheep
and one more thing you keep saying we have to go by the day the President took office
again you can double either one of them and it is still LOWER then the 19T Obama left
and as I said everything I have read says the TARP money was collected by the Treasury and kept to fund future Tarp type programs
IF you have some proof that it was used for something else / used to reduce the deficit then post it and back up what you say
have a nice day

First of all I NEVER said Obama doubled the debt, you keep making things up to divert from your own ignorance, whatever percentage he added to the debt is irrelevant as we pay debt service on the dollar debt not the percentage change. Since Obama left office debt service has become the fourth largest budget item which you want to ignore

Right wing lies? Your partisanship is full of lies and misinformation. TARP was repaid and was part of the deficit you want to blame Bush for but have facts to support you as recovery.org supports my claim that the money was loaned and repaid.

Again as pointed out the Obama debt was 9.3 trillion dollars and that debt was actually skewed due to low interest rates that have now been increased 7 times. That plus entitlement spending is what raised the deficit over 1 trillion dollars. You always want use percentage and you also want to ignore that the President is responsible for the finances the day he takes charge not the first day of the new fiscal year.

Keep lying and keep supporting the failed Obama legacy. Keep ignoring the current results being generated by people keeping more of what they earn and by all means keep ignoring that the Obama stimulus never created the new taxpayers promised, the stimulus bailed out unions and the public sector, and the lost revenue was totally Obama economic policy failures. You have a nice day

Conservative · Jan 22, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
First of all I was saying that the people on the right tend to blame a Dem. President for all the debt and want to blame Congress for the debt when there is a Republican President that's all,
and my other point is that Trump will be running the debt up almost as much as Obama did in his first four years if he keeps going and if you remember Obama had to deal with a deep Recession and Trump is dealing with what he calls a great economy
and in Trumps first two years the Republicans had complete control of the US government and ran on cutting the debt but still ran it up more then Obama did in at lease 3 of the 8 years he was in office
have a nice day

What you want to ignore is that the debt Obama ran up his first term were generated by trillion dollar deficits in 2009-2010-2011 and 2012. Trump won't come close that number as once again you cannot explain how over 2 trillion dollars in revenue collected to fund the discretionary budget of 1.47 trillion causes a trillion deficit. You have no understanding of the budget and certainly no understanding of the Unified Budget. Again live in that dream world of yours and by all means have a nice day!

Tbird19482 · Jan 22, 2020

Conservative said:
First of all I NEVER said Obama doubled the debt, you keep making things up to divert from your own ignorance, whatever percentage he added to the debt is irrelevant as we pay debt service on the dollar debt not the percentage change. Since Obama left office debt service has become the fourth largest budget item which you want to ignore

Right wing lies? Your partisanship is full of lies and misinformation. TARP was repaid and was part of the deficit you want to blame Bush for but have facts to support you as recovery.org supports my claim that the money was loaned and repaid.

Again as pointed out the Obama debt was 9.3 trillion dollars and that debt was actually skewed due to low interest rates that have now been increased 7 times. That plus entitlement spending is what raised the deficit over 1 trillion dollars. You always want use percentage and you also want to ignore that the President is responsible for the finances the day he takes charge not the first day of the new fiscal year.

Keep lying and keep supporting the failed Obama legacy. Keep ignoring the current results being generated by people keeping more of what they earn and by all means keep ignoring that the Obama stimulus never created the new taxpayers promised, the stimulus bailed out unions and the public sector, and the lost revenue was totally Obama economic policy failures. You have a nice day

First of all YOU did say it it may not have been on this forum ( I know you said it on Topix , I am not going to waste my time looking for any of your old posts that may have said it on here ) I said it is a right wing lie
just being able to add shows you that but most right wingers would rather believe the lie instead of doing a little math
now again I have added in the TARP repayment to the Obama debt
I am waiting for you to show us were it is that you get that it was, what I have found from the US treasury web site says it was returned to the TARP fund to be used at a later time if needed.
You keep saying there is a tax just for discretionary spending
I have to ask you where do you get that from
Total Revenue for the US Gov. ( that is TOTAL revenue , FIT and all other revenue the US gov. takes in ) was something like 3.4 T ( I don't have all my paper work in front of me now so I can't give you the amount for sure ) and something like 2.7 T is used to pay mandatory spending leaving something like 666 B to cover Discretionary spending and the majority of that is used for the military .
and again as for the " shovel ready jobs " I guess that over 45,000 people put to work ( and paying taxes ) on infrastructure ( many of them in road construction and repair ) don't count
have a nice day

Tbird19482 · Jan 22, 2020

Conservative said:
What you want to ignore is that the debt Obama ran up his first term were generated by trillion dollar deficits in 2009-2010-2011 and 2012. Trump won't come close that number as once again you cannot explain how over 2 trillion dollars in revenue collected to fund the discretionary budget of 1.47 trillion causes a trillion deficit. You have no understanding of the budget and certainly no understanding of the Unified Budget. Again live in that dream world of yours and by all means have a nice day!

again show us where you get that there was over 2 T collected ( I guess in a discretionary spending only tax ) for discretionary spending
again the TOTAL revenue the US Gov. took in was something like 3.4T and spent something like 2.7 or 2.8 T on mandatory spending leaving something like 666 billion for Discretionary spending
and like I said most of that was spent on the military and anything the Gov. spent over what they took in goes on the deficit and then on the debt
Have a nice day

Conservative · Jan 22, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
First of all YOU did say it it may not have been on this forum ( I know you said it on Topix , I am not going to waste my time looking for any of your old posts that may have said it on here ) I said it is a right wing lie
just being able to add shows you that but most right wingers would rather believe the lie instead of doing a little math
now again I have added in the TARP repayment to the Obama debt
I am waiting for you to show us were it is that you get that it was, what I have found from the US treasury web site says it was returned to the TARP fund to be used at a later time if needed.
You keep saying there is a tax just for discretionary spending
I have to ask you where do you get that from
Total Revenue for the US Gov. ( that is TOTAL revenue , FIT and all other revenue the US gov. takes in ) was something like 3.4 T ( I don't have all my paper work in front of me now so I can't give you the amount for sure ) and something like 2.7 T is used to pay mandatory spending leaving something like 666 B to cover Discretionary spending and the majority of that is used for the military .
and again as for the " shovel ready jobs " I guess that over 45,000 people put to work ( and paying taxes ) on infrastructure ( many of them in road construction and repair ) don't count
have a nice day

If I said it I was wrong but doubt that I said it because never have I been concerned with percentage change but rather actual dollars, something you don't understand

As I posted you claim that Bush left Obama with a 11.9 trillion dollar debt, that is lie, that was the debt on September 30, 2009 Obama took office January 2009 with NO Bush spending authority after March.

LOL, TARP repayments which were included in the 10.6 trillion dollar debt Bush had on January 21, 2009 that was repaid was to be used later? LOL, that is revisionist history as TARP was approved at 700 billion so no need to recycle it but there is partisan bull**** on your part not deducting that from the 10.6 Bush debt on January 21, 2009

I gave you the link to the budget, I stand by my statement prove me wrong!

45,000?? We had 146 MILLION when the recession began, 45,000 is drop in the budget, there were 142 million when Obama took office , 138 million employed one year later and 139 million employed two years later. The stimulus was signed in February 2009 and the Obama recovery was the worst in history. What you are posting as total revenue is the Unified budget, Mandatory PLUS Discretionary tax revenue. Your hero gave the people a tax holiday from payroll taxes which cut funding to SS and Medicare, Brilliant move, right? Discretionary budget was 1.47 trillion, tax revenue from taxes created to fund discretionary such as the military totaled over 2 trillion dollars, how does 2 trillion revenue to fund 1.47 trillion in expense cause trillion dollar deficits

Now back on topic, what constitutes the Trump deficit in 2018 and 2019 that you want to blame him for, line items. Stop focusing on the unified budget because that shows you to clueless. Have a good day

Conservative · Jan 22, 2020

Tbird19482 said:
again show us where you get that there was over 2 T collected ( I guess in a discretionary spending only tax ) for discretionary spending
again the TOTAL revenue the US Gov. took in was something like 3.4T and spent something like 2.7 or 2.8 T on mandatory spending leaving something like 666 billion for Discretionary spending
and like I said most of that was spent on the military and anything the Gov. spent over what they took in goes on the deficit and then on the debt
Have a nice day

Go to BEA.gov and learn something, have a good day

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Tbird19482 · Jan 22, 2020

Conservative said:
Go to BEA.gov and learn something, have a good day

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So just where is this Discretionary tax of 2 T
it shows us total income ( none of it says " Discretionary taxes )
again as I said you have TOTAL US Gov. revenue of 3.6 T and are spending almost 3 T on mandatory spending leaving something like 666B and that has to cover all discretionary spending ( most of that going to the Military ) and anything they spend on disretionary spending has to go on the deficit / debt
SO I ask you again where is this Discretionary tax at?
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