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Budget deficit smashes $1 trillion mark, the highest in seven years

Yeah, so did Obama.
LOL, still playing that silly semantic non sequitur, eh? Study up on the budgetary process.
Obama said he would cut the DEFICIT by 4 Trillion dollars. well he didn't get to 4 Trillion but did cut it by just over 3 Trillion dollars
and YES the HOUSE does start the budget process BUT again the Senate and President have to pass it
and the Senate is controlled by the Republicans and the President is a Republican
Why is it when there is a Dem. President it is all his fault but when it is a Republican President they try to blame it on someone else?
like the Dem. controlled House?
and one more thing why do you Republicans keep telling the lie that Obama doubled the debt?
FACT is the only TWO Presidents that have doubled the debt in the last 60 years were Republicans . Reagan almost tripled it and Bush II just over doubled it,
And the Republicans never say a word about that.
IF Obama had doubled it like you Republicans say the debt would have been OVER 23 Trillion dollars . when he took office the debt was 11.8 Trillion dollars
11.8 X 2 = 23.6 Trillion dollars and the debt was in the 19 Trillion dollar area NOT almost 24 Trillion
Have a nice day
 
You asked if Democrats controlled Congress I pointed out the Dem control the House.

Well. except for the first two years of the Trump presidency..when republicans had the Presidency and both the house and the senate... but hey.. why let facts get in your way.
 
Yeah, so did Obama.
LOL, still playing that silly semantic non sequitur, eh? Study up on the budgetary process.

Study up on spending bills passed by Congress in the past few years. The reason for the last trillion dollar deficit was tax cuts. People like tax cuts, but don't like spending cuts. Therefore, propose cutting taxes, and your popularity goes up. It's called fiscal irresponsibility.
 
Study up on spending bills passed by Congress in the past few years. The reason for the last trillion dollar deficit was tax cuts. People like tax cuts, but don't like spending cuts. Therefore, propose cutting taxes, and your popularity goes up. It's called fiscal irresponsibility.
And yet tax REVENUE has increased significantly since those cuts. Spending continues to be the problem; for both parties.
 
And yet tax REVENUE has increased significantly since those cuts. Spending continues to be the problem; for both parties.

Well.. only because growth in the economy.. growth that was occurring at the same rate under Obama.

Tax revenue as a percentage of GDP actually fell. which is the more valid figure.
 
Well.. only because growth in the economy.. growth that was occurring at the same rate under Obama.
Ah the old "inherited from Obama" malarkey. GDP grew at `1.6% in Obama last year - which is the economy Trump inherited. Since then he's wrung up several quarters/years that top it.
jaeger19 said:
Tax revenue as a percentage of GDP actually fell. which is the more valid figure.
Great! Leaving more in the hands of producers is one of the purposes of low tax rates. Glad to see it's working
 
Ah the old "inherited from Obama" malarkey. GDP grew at `1.6% in Obama last year - which is the economy Trump inherited. Since then he's wrung up several quarters/years that top it.
Great! Leaving more in the hands of producers is one of the purposes of low tax rates. Glad to see it's working

Yeah.. you have been proven wrong on this many times.. our economy has been following the trend set under Obama. Its just a fact.

AS far as "Working"...well no.. the revenue that increased was NOT equal to the decrease in revenue by the tax cut.. in other words.. the tax cut did not pay for itself. They pretty much never do. So the tax cut INCREASED the deficit.

Just facts... but hey.. you think that the democrats control the house for a year and all spending is from democrats :doh

Hard to argue with someone that doesn't have even a basic understanding of government.
 
Yeah.. you have been proven wrong on this many times.. our economy has been following the trend set under Obama. Its just a fact.
Sorry, no the facts totally contradict you.
jaeger19 said:
AS far as "Working"...well no.. the revenue that increased was NOT equal to the decrease in revenue by the tax cut.. in other words.. the tax cut did not pay for itself. They pretty much never do. So the tax cut INCREASED the deficit.
LOL, you have all the classic "nuh-uhs" memorized. When tax revenue goes up as people and businesses are paying smaller percentages the only explanation is increased economic activity. Had the rates NOT been reduced that extra money the drove the economic growth wouldn't have been avail and the economy would not have grown.
jaeger19 said:
Just facts... but hey.. you think that the democrats control the house for a year and all spending is from democrats :doh
The write the spending bills. Notice that Obama's trillion dollar deficits dropped under a GOP house. Obama's best economic years were under a GOP house. Same with Clinton and GWB.
jaeger1 said:
Hard to argue with someone that doesn't have even a basic understanding of government.
I know, I'm have a hell of a time trying to educate YOU. :lamo
 
Sorry, no the facts totally contradict you.
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Sorry but you have been shown you were wrong by multiple people.. multiple times. You just refuse to acknowledge facts.

OL, you have all the classic "nuh-uhs" memorized. When tax revenue goes up as people and businesses are paying smaller percentages the only explanation is increased economic activity. Had the rates NOT been reduced that extra money the drove the economic growth wouldn't have been avail and the economy would not have grown.
Yeah.. actually you seem to have the classic talking points memorized. But reality simply disproves you. When tax revenue goes up as people are paying smaller percentages.. yep.. the only explanation is increased economic activity. BUT here is where you go wrong. There can be multiple explanations for that increased economic activity that has nothing to do with the tax increases. Does economic activity increase when taxes go UP as well? Why yes it does sir. In the the early years of Obama's administration..federal revenue as a percentage of gdp (basically the total effect tax rate).. was down to 14.6%... since then it has over fits and starts increased.. taxation increased over the last decade to now about 17%...

BUT THE ECONOMY GREW AS WELL. So your assumption that all growth should be attributed to a tax cut is patently false.

So.. how do you tell. Well first.. you look at what the trend in growth has been over the last few years before a tax cut. then.. you compare that trend with what economic growth looks like after the tax cut. IF growth continues on the same trend as before.. well then you know that the growth is not due to the tax cut. (which is pretty much what happened with the Trump tax cut)

IF on the other hand.. there is a spike in growth.. above that trend.. well the DIFFERENCE between the trend of growth... and actual growth.. MIGHT be attributed to the tax cut.

The fact is.. revenue went up from growth that was right along with the trend before the tax cut. there was little increase above that trend. Therefore... the revenue increase had little to do with the tax cut.

So then you calculate the COST of the tax cut. And you calculate that.. by looking at what revenue would be under the old tax system.. following the trend of growth.

And what the gain in revenue from the extra growth (if any).. above that trend.

What you would find in trumps case.. is that the revenue under the old tax system.. would have been greater... than revenue attributed to the extra growth. In other words.. the small bump in revenue attributed to growth from the tax cut.. did not offset the LOSS in revenue due to the lower taxes.

In other words the tax cut did not pay for itself and increased the deficit.

The write the spending bills.
That's nice and the Senate and the PResident have the power to negate those spending bills and force lower spending if they wish. Or higher spending. Certainly controlling TWO facets of the government.. both senate and president.. have way more power on the budget than simply the house of representatives.

Notice that Obama's trillion dollar deficits dropped under a GOP house
So?

Wait.. so you tout Trumps economy.. huh.. does that mean that the good economy is due to the democrat house then? Somehow.. I think you are going to fall all over yourself on this one.

The reality is that yes.. Under Obama the GOP house helped control spending... AND the tax cuts were allowed to expire.. and that led to decreasing deficits. Under trump..the first two years of presidency there was a GOP house.. and GOP senate.. and spending went UP..and taxes went down..and the deficit increased.

Its just the facts.
 
Sorry but you have been shown you were wrong by multiple people.. multiple times. You just refuse to acknowledge facts.

Yeah.. actually you seem to have the classic talking points memorized. But reality simply disproves you. When tax revenue goes up as people are paying smaller percentages.. yep.. the only explanation is increased economic activity. BUT here is where you go wrong. There can be multiple explanations for that increased economic activity that has nothing to do with the tax increases. Does economic activity increase when taxes go UP as well? Why yes it does sir. In the the early years of Obama's administration..federal revenue as a percentage of gdp (basically the total effect tax rate).. was down to 14.6%... since then it has over fits and starts increased.. taxation increased over the last decade to now about 17%...

BUT THE ECONOMY GREW AS WELL. So your assumption that all growth should be attributed to a tax cut is patently false.

So.. how do you tell. Well first.. you look at what the trend in growth has been over the last few years before a tax cut. then.. you compare that trend with what economic growth looks like after the tax cut. IF growth continues on the same trend as before.. well then you know that the growth is not due to the tax cut. (which is pretty much what happened with the Trump tax cut)

IF on the other hand.. there is a spike in growth.. above that trend.. well the DIFFERENCE between the trend of growth... and actual growth.. MIGHT be attributed to the tax cut.

The fact is.. revenue went up from growth that was right along with the trend before the tax cut. there was little increase above that trend. Therefore... the revenue increase had little to do with the tax cut.

So then you calculate the COST of the tax cut. And you calculate that.. by looking at what revenue would be under the old tax system.. following the trend of growth.

And what the gain in revenue from the extra growth (if any).. above that trend.

What you would find in trumps case.. is that the revenue under the old tax system.. would have been greater... than revenue attributed to the extra growth. In other words.. the small bump in revenue attributed to growth from the tax cut.. did not offset the LOSS in revenue due to the lower taxes.

In other words the tax cut did not pay for itself and increased the deficit.

That's nice and the Senate and the PResident have the power to negate those spending bills and force lower spending if they wish. Or higher spending. Certainly controlling TWO facets of the government.. both senate and president.. have way more power on the budget than simply the house of representatives.

So?

Wait.. so you tout Trumps economy.. huh.. does that mean that the good economy is due to the democrat house then? Somehow.. I think you are going to fall all over yourself on this one.

The reality is that yes.. Under Obama the GOP house helped control spending... AND the tax cuts were allowed to expire.. and that led to decreasing deficits. Under trump..the first two years of presidency there was a GOP house.. and GOP senate.. and spending went UP..and taxes went down..and the deficit increased.

Its just the facts.
I've read your walls of words before; not interested in rereading a pathetic attempt to shade Trump and praise Obama like a deity.
 
I've read your walls of words before; not interested in rereading a pathetic attempt to shade Trump and praise Obama like a deity.

Too funny... in other words you have no rebuttal. .

by the way... I neither shaded Trump.. nor "praised OBama like a deity".
 
Too funny... in other words you have no rebuttal. .
Partisan gibberish does deserve "rebuttal".
jaeger19 said:
by the way... I neither shaded Trump.. nor "praised OBama like a deity".
LOL, self-awareness is not one of your virtues, is it.
 
Partisan gibberish does deserve "rebuttal".
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again.. that's funny.

LOL, self-awareness is not one of your virtues, is it.


I defy you to show me ANYTHING.. in my posts that's "partisan"...anything...

I'd love for you to show me how I "praised OBama like a deity"... BWAAAAAAHHHHHH...

You tried.. you have been proven wrong... get over it.
 
Ah the old "inherited from Obama" malarkey. GDP grew at `1.6% in Obama last year - which is the economy Trump inherited. Since then he's wrung up several quarters/years that top it.
Great! Leaving more in the hands of producers is one of the purposes of low tax rates. Glad to see it's working

Please do point out where the economy took a dramatic leap forward when Trump was elected:


annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990.jpg
 
Please do point out where the economy took a dramatic leap forward when Trump was elected:


annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990.jpg

2016 Obama 2017-2018 Trump Looks like a jump to me. Please don't be stupid enough to point to Obama's prior years - the economy in 2016 was what Obama gave Trump to work with.

By the way, Obama took over in 2009 so about 2/3's of the left side of your chart is not applicable.
 
again.. that's funny.




I defy you to show me ANYTHING.. in my posts that's "partisan"...anything...

I'd love for you to show me how I "praised OBama like a deity"... BWAAAAAAHHHHHH...

You tried.. you have been proven wrong... get over it.
Sorry, writing the longest, meandering post doesn't comprise proving me wrong; it demonstrates desperation and an attempt to baffle with bull**** since dazzling with brilliance isn't in your wheelhouse.
 
2016 Obama 2017-2018 Trump Looks like a jump to me. Please don't be stupid enough to point to Obama's prior years - the economy in 2016 was what Obama gave Trump to work with.

By the way, Obama took over in 2009 so about 2/3's of the left side of your chart is not applicable.

Where did you learn to read a chart?
Looks like a downturn in '16, followed by an increase in '17, then in '18 growth was the same as it was in '15.

oh, and see that bar projecting down below zero, the one in '09? That was the economy that Obama inherited.

There was a pretty steady growth since the crash of '09. There wasn't any sudden growth spurt when Trump was elected. There was more growth in the '90s, before the world had even heard of Trump or Obama.
 
I hope everyone understands that taxes in a fiat economy are not necessary for the payments of government expenses. If you doubt that, how do you explain 24 trillion dollars in federal debt? Not one single dime of that 24 trillion was dependent upon taxes. So, if you can spend more then you receive every single year for decades, what exactly is the need for taxes in the first place? When you can grasp this fundamental concept, you can then move on to understanding how both money and taxes impact an economy.
 
Where did you learn to read a chart?
Looks like a downturn in '16, followed by an increase in '17, then in '18 growth was the same as it was in '15.

oh, and see that bar projecting down below zero, the one in '09? That was the economy that Obama inherited.

There was a pretty steady growth since the crash of '09. There wasn't any sudden growth spurt when Trump was elected. There was more growth in the '90s, before the world had even heard of Trump or Obama.
Sure, create whatever imaginary commentary you feel like. As I pointed out '16 was Obama's last year and THAT was the economy he turned over to Trump; that state of the economy in '15 is immaterial other than to note the economy contracted going into '16. If you can't see the downtrend going into '16 and the uptrend from
'16 on, there's not much I can say.
 
Sure, create whatever imaginary commentary you feel like. As I pointed out '16 was Obama's last year and THAT was the economy he turned over to Trump; that state of the economy in '15 is immaterial other than to note the economy contracted going into '16. If you can't see the downtrend going into '16 and the uptrend from
'16 on, there's not much I can say.

Take off the Trumper glasses. The growth from '13 to '15 is roughly the same as it is from '16 to '18.
Look at the economy that Obama was handed, and the one that Trump was handed, and tell us how great a job Trump has done on the economy, then look at the decline in the deficit that took place until Trump passed his tax cuts. Then, consider that Trump's tariffs haven't kicked in yet.

and the growth of the economy has little to do with the president at any rate,

and the Trumpeteers can think of nothing else with which to praise Trump other than the supposed growth of the economy. Pitiful!
 
Take off the Trumper glasses. The growth from '13 to '15 is roughly the same as it is from '16 to '18.
Again, not the point, that's bygone. Trump didn't inherit that point of the echo, he inherited the 2016 version's pathetic performance.
Dittohead not said:
Look at the economy that Obama was handed, and the one that Trump was handed, and tell us how great a job Trump has done on the economy, then look at the decline in the deficit that took place until Trump passed his tax cuts. Then, consider that Trump's tariffs haven't kicked in yet.
And again, ten year old history doesn't mean crap.
Dittohead not said:
and the growth of the economy has little to do with the president at any rate,
LOL, hedging your bets, eh?
Dittohead not said:
and the Trumpeteers can think of nothing else with which to praise Trump other than the supposed growth of the economy. Pitiful!
You're amazing! But not in the good way.
 
Again, not the point, that's bygone. Trump didn't inherit that point of the echo, he inherited the 2016 version's pathetic performance.
And again, ten year old history doesn't mean crap.
LOL, hedging your bets, eh?
You're amazing! But not in the good way.

Please feel free to post a chart or graph showing that the economy started to grow or grow faster when Trump was elected. Otherwise, you're just talking nonsense.
 
Please feel free to post a chart or graph showing that the economy started to grow or grow faster when Trump was elected. Otherwise, you're just talking nonsense.
You already did that. We've been talking about it for the last couple of days.
 
As I pointed out '16 was Obama's last year and THAT was the economy he turned over to Trump; that state of the economy in '15 is immaterial other than to note the economy contracted going into '16.

Revisionist nonsense. The state of economic growth was dragged down due to a massive fall in oil prices and the plummet in investment that followed. Consumer sentiment didn't respond as the theory predicted... meaning the consumer chose to save the windfall of low energy prices. When the majority of economic growth was driven by oil production, a fall in it's price was detrimental to output. Do i expect you to be able to respond to this point with any semblance of a coherent thought? Nope....

If you can't see the downtrend going into '16 and the uptrend from
'16 on, there's not much I can say.

You're cherry picking... choosing to highlight a blip in order to push a partisan narrative (without understanding the dynamics surrounding the 2016 economy. Your failure is for all to see.
 
You already did that. We've been talking about it for the last couple of days.

Trump's economy isn't able to reach the levels he promised even with $1 trillion deficits at historically low rates of unemployment. Talk about a reality check.
 
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