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What is a "fair tax" for the bottom 50%

Conservative said:
LOL, again, please learn the taxes you pay and their purpose. Did you read the chart title, STATE AND LOCAL TAXES!!! We are talking FIT here not the other taxes people pay but again you have no clue on that issue. Paying a use tax is a choice, don't use the service don't pay the taxes. In this country if you have a job, earn income you are paying for the services the gov't provides that benefits you. The poor don't pay ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAXES
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Nor should they
 
iguanaman said:
So your fine with causing a recession? No one pays a higher % of their income than the poor when you figure in sales taxes,State and local taxes and license fees.
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That chart looks like a total lie.

The poorest 20% only pay FICA, local, and states sales taxes. Taxes and fees on unsuitability, gasoline, etc., which is small. The 20%, being the poorest of the 43% who break even on federal tax, probably still have net negative taxation from Earned Income Credit, SNAK, TANF, etc.

At face value, that looks like a farce.

Can you substantiate their numbers?

This actually looks like it's based on net worth, rather than income.
 
Lord of Planar said:
That chart looks like a total lie.

The poorest 20% only pay FICA, local, and states sales taxes. Taxes and fees on unsuitability, gasoline, etc., which is small. The 20%, being the poorest of the 43% who break even on federal tax, probably still have net negative taxation from Earned Income Credit, SNAK, TANF, etc.

At face value, that looks like a farce.

Can you substantiate their numbers?

This actually looks like it's based on net worth, rather than income.
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You're absolutely correct, per bls.gov 2015 taxes:

Average income before/after taxes by quintile (20%):
Q1 $10,916.....$11,416 - $500 average income increase
Q2 $28,343.....$28,727 - $384 average income increase
Q3 $49,606.....$46,807 - $2,799 average income decrease
Q4 $80,813.....$72,375 - $8,438 average income decrease
Q5 $177,851...$142,466 - $35,385 average income decrease
 
Conservative said:
Stop it and think with the brain God gave you. Every income earning American rather than wasting money on things they want better start spending on what they need like national security or the gov't that gives them that opportunity. Keep making excuses for others that you don't know and keep believing what the left tells you as if the left gives a damn which they don't. To them it is all about power and control. There is absolutely no reason that every income earning American cannot pay something in FIT.

How is it fair to live in this country and have someone else pay for your freedom and opportunities. Take responsibility for the first time in your life
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Are you for real???
Spend money on things " they want" maybe they want to put food on their table or pay their rent, or maybe keep their electric on?
Do you realize that a lot of the people in that 44% you keep complaining about are working at MIN. wage? and some two jobs and have a spouse working another min. wage job?
Do you realize that for a single person working a min wage job there are JUST over the poverty level?
now if they are married and only one of them are working they are below the poverty level, then throw in a child or two,
Yes lets tax them at the lowest tax rate we have now 10% and really drive them down . maybe we can get them really below the poverty level
Then we can take away all the Federal Programs they get , and let the large Corps keep the ones they use to make their millions if not Billions in US profits ( and not pay a CENT in FIT to use them )
I am sure that would make you happy.
YES lets tax them on every dollar they make but not tax large Corps on the millions / Billions they make .
YOU still can't tell us why YOU want these people to pay FIT and large Corps not pay a cent
OH YES you said these people get all these programs the Fed. gov. supplies and should pay for them BUT at the same time you want to let large Corps. use some of the same programs and NOT pay a cent for them.
Yes the people who are working at Min. wage do get a fed. funded defense ( military ) and other things like that but so do large Corps. so again why shouldn't large Corps.help pay for these things the Federal government supplies IF everybody else has to?
have a nice night
 
Tbird19482 said:
Are you for real???
Spend money on things " they want" maybe they want to put food on their table or pay their rent, or maybe keep their electric on?
Do you realize that a lot of the people in that 44% you keep complaining about are working at MIN. wage? and some two jobs and have a spouse working another min. wage job?
Do you realize that for a single person working a min wage job there are JUST over the poverty level?
now if they are married and only one of them are working they are below the poverty level, then throw in a child or two,
Yes lets tax them at the lowest tax rate we have now 10% and really drive them down . maybe we can get them really below the poverty level
Then we can take away all the Federal Programs they get , and let the large Corps keep the ones they use to make their millions if not Billions in US profits ( and not pay a CENT in FIT to use them )
I am sure that would make you happy.
YES lets tax them on every dollar they make but not tax large Corps on the millions / Billions they make .
YOU still can't tell us why YOU want these people to pay FIT and large Corps not pay a cent
OH YES you said these people get all these programs the Fed. gov. supplies and should pay for them BUT at the same time you want to let large Corps. use some of the same programs and NOT pay a cent for them.
Yes the people who are working at Min. wage do get a fed. funded defense ( military ) and other things like that but so do large Corps. so again why shouldn't large Corps.help pay for these things the Federal government supplies IF everybody else has to?
have a nice night
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I have no idea what your background is but you are very naive, gullible, and poorly informed. What they want would be cell phones, flat screen TV's,, Michael Jordan Sneakers, dinners out, concert tickets. Do you realize that not everyone is as you describe? Absolutely stunning how the entitlement mentality is even in you.
 
Conservative said:
I have no idea what your background is but you are very naive, gullible, and poorly informed. What they want would be cell phones, flat screen TV's,, Michael Jordan Sneakers, dinners out, concert tickets. Do you realize that not everyone is as you describe? Absolutely stunning how the entitlement mentality is even in you.
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I see , so they don't want a roof over their families heads or to put food on the table for them or have heat or lights.
Sorry to tell you that many of these people are working at min. wage and can't even afford the basics.
and YOU want to take more money from them and give it to large Corps
have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
I see , so they don't want a roof over their families heads or to put food on the table for them or have heat or lights.
Sorry to tell you that many of these people are working at min. wage and can't even afford the basics.
and YOU want to take more money from them and give it to large Corps
have a nice day
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So you think most of the 44% of income earners are home owners or even apartment dwellers? Stunning, what determines a priority to you, Jordan Sneakers, cell phones, computers, internet, fast food, booze, cigarettes? How did you become so naive when it comes to reality?

So you believe that tax cuts are gov't handouts to corporations? Didn't they earn the money in the first place? When was the last time gov't social spending was dependent on revenue from taxes?
 
Conservative said:
So you think most of the 44% of income earners are home owners or even apartment dwellers? Stunning, what determines a priority to you, Jordan Sneakers, cell phones, computers, internet, fast food, booze, cigarettes? How did you become so naive when it comes to reality?

So you believe that tax cuts are gov't handouts to corporations? Didn't they earn the money in the first place? When was the last time gov't social spending was dependent on revenue from taxes?
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LOL
I NEVER said any one of them owned a home or were apartment dwellers YOU are trying to change what I posted.
IT is YOU who is saying all these people want is this expensive stuff,
I have said that a lot of these people just want to be able to keep the little bit of money they earn so they can put a roof over their families heads, put food on their tables to feed their families and pay their bills.
YOU keep saying they should be paying FIT ( even if they don't earn enough to live on ) and large Corps that are making millions if not BILLIONS in US profits shouldn't pay any.
and you say it is because they use programs the US gov. supplies to them , some of the same programs that large Corps also use
so AGAIN I ask why?
Why should large Corps get to use these programs the FIT pays for and NOT pay a cent in FIT.
Have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
LOL
I NEVER said any one of them owned a home or were apartment dwellers YOU are trying to change what I posted.
IT is YOU who is saying all these people want is this expensive stuff,
I have said that a lot of these people just want to be able to keep the little bit of money they earn so they can put a roof over their families heads, put food on their tables to feed their families and pay their bills.
YOU keep saying they should be paying FIT ( even if they don't earn enough to live on ) and large Corps that are making millions if not BILLIONS in US profits shouldn't pay any.
and you say it is because they use programs the US gov. supplies to them , some of the same programs that large Corps also use
so AGAIN I ask why?
Why should large Corps get to use these programs the FIT pays for and NOT pay a cent in FIT.
Have a nice day
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what does a corporation have to do with this issue? You hate corporations that employ people and create jobs. How do those corporations cost the American people anything??? You ask questions but never answer direct questions. Do you know understand that corporations pass on costs to their customers? You want higher prices? you want corporations to close and go out of business? You really have no understanding of corporations at all, they employ people, they pay state and local taxes, they support local charities so how are they a federal liability?
 
Back to the OP question.

With the Federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr those who receive government assistance should be required to perform 1 hour of needed labour as made available to them by State or local government for every $7.25 of assistance value provided them until which time they become capable of supporting their needs/wants without government assistance, exempting only those who are totally disabled and incapable of performing any productive work. Make that retroactive, applying it to those who were raised on government assistance as well as their parents and imagine the work that could be done.
 
Conservative said:
what does a corporation have to do with this issue? You hate corporations that employ people and create jobs. How do those corporations cost the American people anything??? You ask questions but never answer direct questions. Do you know understand that corporations pass on costs to their customers? You want higher prices? you want corporations to close and go out of business? You really have no understanding of corporations at all, they employ people, they pay state and local taxes, they support local charities so how are they a federal liability?
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maybe IF you learned how to read and comprehended what you read you would know I have answered your questions it is YOU who keeps avoiding answering my question
remember the one I keep asking?
Why do you feel that every person that works to make a living . some not making enough to even survive on. and their spouse has to work too just to get by. pay FIT and large Corps that are making millions if not billions pay nothing.
First of all Corps. are entities and use programs that the FIT pays for, remember things like a strong military. infrastructure and training programs among other things.
as I said before , Corps. work on a profit margin and if they exceed that their profits go up.
#2 IF they exceed that profit margin why should they have to raise prices to cover the FIT?
I as well as you know they would . and just how much would it raise the price of their product? a couple of cents?
But they wouldn't just raise it a couple of cents they would raise it a lot more then blame the price increase on having to pay FIT and in the mean time be increasing their profits.
( seen that happen a lot over all my years. )
And for your info I do understand how Corps. work I do have a 4 year degree in Business
again why should Corps get to use programs FIT pay for and not pay a cent in FIT?
Have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
maybe IF you learned how to read and comprehended what you read you would know I have answered your questions it is YOU who keeps avoiding answering my question
remember the one I keep asking?
Why do you feel that every person that works to make a living . some not making enough to even survive on. and their spouse has to work too just to get by. pay FIT and large Corps that are making millions if not billions pay nothing.
First of all Corps. are entities and use programs that the FIT pays for, remember things like a strong military. infrastructure and training programs among other things.
as I said before , Corps. work on a profit margin and if they exceed that their profits go up.
#2 IF they exceed that profit margin why should they have to raise prices to cover the FIT?
I as well as you know they would . and just how much would it raise the price of their product? a couple of cents?
But they wouldn't just raise it a couple of cents they would raise it a lot more then blame the price increase on having to pay FIT and in the mean time be increasing their profits.
( seen that happen a lot over all my years. )
And for your info I do understand how Corps. work I do have a 4 year degree in Business
again why should Corps get to use programs FIT pay for and not pay a cent in FIT?
Have a nice day
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See? This is why a fair flat tax is desirable. No exemptions, no exceptions, no excuses. The rich still pay more, the corporations pay more. A win win.
 
Tbird19482 said:
maybe IF you learned how to read and comprehended what you read you would know I have answered your questions it is YOU who keeps avoiding answering my question
remember the one I keep asking?
Why do you feel that every person that works to make a living . some not making enough to even survive on. and their spouse has to work too just to get by. pay FIT and large Corps that are making millions if not billions pay nothing.
First of all Corps. are entities and use programs that the FIT pays for, remember things like a strong military. infrastructure and training programs among other things.
as I said before , Corps. work on a profit margin and if they exceed that their profits go up.
#2 IF they exceed that profit margin why should they have to raise prices to cover the FIT?
I as well as you know they would . and just how much would it raise the price of their product? a couple of cents?
But they wouldn't just raise it a couple of cents they would raise it a lot more then blame the price increase on having to pay FIT and in the mean time be increasing their profits.
( seen that happen a lot over all my years. )
And for your info I do understand how Corps. work I do have a 4 year degree in Business
again why should Corps get to use programs FIT pay for and not pay a cent in FIT?
Have a nice day
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Because your definition of survival is based solely on your own personal situation and not reality. It doesn't cost nearly as much to live in TX for example than living in California but the bluest state of them all is a fiscal disaster that you want to impose on the nation. Fairness is also a term you don't understand. Is it fair for income earning Americans not to pay something for the the gov't and country that gives them the opportunity to live and work here?

Do you think it is fair for people like you living in blue states should be able to deduct your high state and local taxes from your federal returns? Aren't Red states with lower taxes subsidizing your federal tax liabilities?

Your four year degree doesn't appear to be worth much, where did it come from so we can advertise your posts so people see what kind of education to expect from that school?
 
Conservative said:
Because your definition of survival is based solely on your own personal situation and not reality. It doesn't cost nearly as much to live in TX for example than living in California but the bluest state of them all is a fiscal disaster that you want to impose on the nation. Fairness is also a term you don't understand. Is it fair for income earning Americans not to pay something for the the gov't and country that gives them the opportunity to live and work here?

Do you think it is fair for people like you living in blue states should be able to deduct your high state and local taxes from your federal returns? Aren't Red states with lower taxes subsidizing your federal tax liabilities?

Your four year degree doesn't appear to be worth much, where did it come from so we can advertise your posts so people see what kind of education to expect from that school?
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based on MY " personal situation and not reality. "
maybe it s time for you to get off your computer / cell phone and get out of the house and see just what is really going on
The GAO says Poverty level for ONE person is 12 490 dollars a year and add 4420 per person over 1 ( the GAO says a living wage is 150% of poverty level )
a person working 40 hours a week at min wage for 52 weeks ( no vacation time or sick days ) earns 15080 a year so that person would have to earn 18735 or almost 3700 dollars more above min wage to get to what the GAO says is a living wage
AND that is JUST for ONE person now if they work all that time at min and you tax them 10% ( min. tax rate ) that is 1508 dollars FIT so subtract that and 13572 take home for 40 hours for 52 weeks so they would be all of 1082 dollars above the poverty level and well below the amount the GAO says you need for a living wage.
You talk about fairness well is it fair that these people should pay FIT and large Corps that receive a lot of the same benefits these people do NOT pay any?
These people are not even making a living wage and large Corps are making millions if not Billions in US profits.
and as for the high taxed states what does that have to do with the people working at min wage and not earning enough to get to a living wage in the low taxes states
I am talking about every working person that is not making ( what the GAO calls ) a living wage
like i said a lot of people in ALL states work for min. wage and aren't even making enough to make it to the poverty level let alone a living wage
Have a nice afternoon
 
Tbird19482 said:
based on MY " personal situation and not reality. "
maybe it s time for you to get off your computer / cell phone and get out of the house and see just what is really going on
The GAO says Poverty level for ONE person is 12 490 dollars a year and add 4420 per person over 1 ( the GAO says a living wage is 150% of poverty level )
a person working 40 hours a week at min wage for 52 weeks ( no vacation time or sick days ) earns 15080 a year so that person would have to earn 18735 or almost 3700 dollars more above min wage to get to what the GAO says is a living wage
AND that is JUST for ONE person now if they work all that time at min and you tax them 10% ( min. tax rate ) that is 1508 dollars FIT so subtract that and 13572 take home for 40 hours for 52 weeks so they would be all of 1082 dollars above the poverty level and well below the amount the GAO says you need for a living wage.
You talk about fairness well is it fair that these people should pay FIT and large Corps that receive a lot of the same benefits these people do NOT pay any?
These people are not even making a living wage and large Corps are making millions if not Billions in US profits.
and as for the high taxed states what does that have to do with the people working at min wage and not earning enough to get to a living wage in the low taxes states
I am talking about every working person that is not making ( what the GAO calls ) a living wage
like i said a lot of people in ALL states work for min. wage and aren't even making enough to make it to the poverty level let alone a living wage
Have a nice afternoon
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Yes, you judge others by your own standards not theirs, you have no idea what the cost of living of others is, what they can or cannot afford. You buy what you are told and ignore the various costs of living in the various states. What is fair about 44% of income earning Americans, job holders not paying a dime in Federal Income taxes/ Your idea of fair doesn't meet any standard except your own

Large corporations receiving WHAT Benefits? Who in the hell pays their taxes when you raise them? are you truly this poorly informed and educated on this issue?
 
CriticalThought said:
In another thread a conservative poster made this argument...



That makes little sense to me. Not even as a matter of fairness but as a matter of simple math.

The total Adjusted Gross Income of the country is about $11 trillion. The top 50% has about $10 trillion and the bottom 50% had about $1 trillion. We spend, as a country, about $1.5 trillion in income taxes. About 97% of that is covered by the top 50% and the remaining 3% by the bottom 50%.

My question is how much would the bottom 50% have to pay for it to be fair?

Nominally speak, half of $1.5 trillion is about $750 billion. That means the bottom 50% would have to pay 75% of their combined income to cover half the country's tax burden.

Keep in mind that to be in the bottom 50%, you have to make less than $40,000 a year.

So are the folks who are making $40,000 a year "living off the government teet" if they are not contributing $30,000 a year (75%) to income taxes? That is how I interpret the quote above. The poster is claiming that those who pay little or no taxes are a burden.

I can't figure out what a "fair share" tax for the bottom 50% would look like to conservatives. The top 50% will always pay more, which means no matter how much the bottom 50% pays, it will never be enough.
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Do you realize the super rich were once taxed at 90%?

We need to invert that pyramid, tax the poor at 90% and give the super rich job creators like Trump a break.

It is only fair.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, you judge others by your own standards not theirs, you have no idea what the cost of living of others is, what they can or cannot afford. You buy what you are told and ignore the various costs of living in the various states. What is fair about 44% of income earning Americans, job holders not paying a dime in Federal Income taxes/ Your idea of fair doesn't meet any standard except your own

Large corporations receiving WHAT Benefits? Who in the hell pays their taxes when you raise them? are you truly this poorly informed and educated on this issue?
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Wasn't it YOU who said the 44% of people should help pay for the Military?
or infrastructure, Training programs ( large Corps. use these and other programs you mentioned ) the low wage earner also pays gas tax, sales tax ( corps can deduct sales taxes and other taxes they pay and the working poor can't )
AGAIN what do high taxed states have to do with the working poor in non high taxed states and all the US ?
I am talking about EVERYBODY that is not making enough money to live on.
YES we know how you are give to the rich and take from the working poor,
SO when are you going to answer my question?
WHY should large Corps. not pay a cent in FIT even if they get benefits from the programs FIT pays for and everybody else pay FIT
I don't know about you but I don't make millions or billions a year and I have to pay FIT.
and I use even less of these programs then Large Corps do.
Yes I am protected by our military, and I use the infrastructure but I also pay FIT/
You really need to get off your computer and look around you town and open your eyes to just what is going on , I am sure you can see people working at min. wage jobs and not being able to get along without help
have a nice day
 
Tbird19482;1070296095]Wasn't it YOU who said the 44% of people should help pay for the Military?
or infrastructure, Training programs ( large Corps. use these and other programs you mentioned ) the low wage earner also pays gas tax, sales tax ( corps can deduct sales taxes and other taxes they pay and the working poor can't )
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Yes it was me that said that and 44% of income earners has nothing to do with corporations or their taxes. Nor do corporations have to pay for defense their employees do and their employees pay the taxes. You pay the corporate taxes every time you buy their products or services

Gas taxes, sales taxes have nothing to do with federal income taxes as again you have no idea what taxes you pay or their purpose. what school was that you got your degree from?

AGAIN what do high taxed states have to do with the working poor in non high taxed states and all the US ?
I am talking about EVERYBODY that is not making enough money to live on.
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Oh, my, high schools students living at home have what obligations? learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch and that you have to pay for your freedoms

YES we know how you are give to the rich and take from the working poor,
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So when the people keep more of what they earn it is the gov't giving them something? what is the gov't giving them and since when does tax revenue prevent bureaucrats from spending money?

SO when are you going to answer my question?
WHY should large Corps. not pay a cent in FIT even if they get benefits from the programs FIT pays for and everybody else pay FIT
I don't know about you but I don't make millions or billions a year and I have to pay FIT.
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Answered many times, corporations aren't people and don't cost the taxpayers a dime, they hire employees who do pay taxes and they collect their taxes from the profit they make thus the higher costs associated with tax increases. Your question answered again, you don't like the answer

and I use even less of these programs then Large Corps do.
Yes I am protected by our military, and I use the infrastructure but I also pay FIT/
You really need to get off your computer and look around you town and open your eyes to just what is going on , I am sure you can see people working at min. wage jobs and not being able to get along without help
have a nice day
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Your FIT doesn't pay for infrastructure, excise taxes do and why shouldn't every working American pay something for their own defense? Please learn the taxes you pay and their purpose.

I spent 35 years in the private sector, had 1200 employees, 12 direct reports and 200 million dollars a year in business so I will put my resume up against yours any time as well as my logic and common sense which you don't seem to have
 
Conservative said:
Answered many times, corporations aren't people and don't cost the taxpayers a dime, they hire employees who do pay taxes and they collect their taxes from the profit they make thus the higher costs associated with tax increases.
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This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard you say. I can even quote right wing articles that call bull on that crap.

Yes, corporations are people. Get over it.

54. Special-Interest Spending and Corporate Welfare | Cato Institute

10 Years On: Too-Big-to-Fail Bailouts Failed Americans

If you are going to base your arguments entirely on how you want the world to be and not how it actually is, then what is the point of even being here? You don't even need to get your confirmation bias validation if you can just pretend you live in a different world.


Here is how it is...corporations are legally people and have had personhood since SCOTUS gave it to them in the 1800s, corporate subsidies do cost taxpayers a lot and inevitably increase prices on consumers, most corporations that benefit from government assistance do not turn a profit, and we spent $4 trillion just a little over a decade ago (the equivalent of 2.5 years of FTI) just so they could survive and get another $1 trillion tax cut under the current administration which our grandchildren will be paying for their entire lives.

Super sorry if REALITY is not jiving with your "35 years in the private sector". :roll:
 
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CriticalThought said:
This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard you say. I can even quote right wing articles that call bull on that crap.

Yes, corporations are people. Get over it.

54. Special-Interest Spending and Corporate Welfare | Cato Institute

10 Years On: Too-Big-to-Fail Bailouts Failed Americans

If you are going to base your arguments entirely on how you want the world to be and not how it actually is, then what is the point of even being here? You don't even need to get your confirmation bias validation if you can just pretend you live in a different world.


Here is how it is...corporations are legally people and have had personhood since SCOTUS gave it to them in the 1800s, corporate subsidies do cost taxpayers a lot and inevitably increase prices on consumers, most corporations that benefit from government assistance do not turn a profit, and we spent $4 trillion just a little over a decade ago (the equivalent of 2.5 years of FTI) just so they could survive and get another $1 trillion tax cut under the current administration which our grandchildren will be paying for their entire lives.
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The legal definition doesn't change reality nor the reality that corporations don't pay taxes their consumers do in the form of higher prices. Corporations do employ people who pay taxes.

Also it doesn't change the reality that FIT and Corporate taxes are more than enough to fund the discretionary budget and line items in that budget that is the responsibility of FIT. Learn the taxes you pay and their purpose
 
Conservative said:
The legal definition doesn't change reality nor the reality that corporations don't pay taxes their consumers do in the form of higher prices. Corporations do employ people who pay taxes.

Also it doesn't change the reality that FIT and Corporate taxes are more than enough to fund the discretionary budget and line items in that budget that is the responsibility of FIT. Learn the taxes you pay and their purpose
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The pass it on to consumers rhetoric would be valid if every corporation was a monopoly running at full efficiency. Some cost of increased taxes goes to consumers, some to reduce labor cost via layoffs, and some to shareholders/investors. That is why we have competition.

This whole new notion of "job creators" is stupid. Jobs are a cost to corporations. A good company seeks to maintain as small and efficient a labor pool as necessary to meet demand. You don't get special treatment because to make money you have to hire people. That is absurd, especially since your inherent goal is to hire as few people as possible.
 
Conservative said:
I make no sense? You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility issues and believe that income earning Americans paying ZERO FIT should have someone else pay theirs. This isn't causing you to pay more, this is causing people who aren't paying anything to pay something and learn that there is no such thing as a "free lunch" now stop the bull****. this is reality and you are acting like a liberal
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Well...I know who those people that don't pay FIT.. are..they are folks like military families whose family members are putting their lives on the line for you.. but their income is so low..that they don't qualify to pay FIT.. ARe you saying that they are not being personal responsible? While carrying a rifle in your defense?


How about the elderly person that has paid in thousands and thousands in FIT..but now they are elderly.. and though they have income..they are not paying FIT because its not enough to qualify?

How about the college student who is busting their butt to get themselves through college..and doesn't pay FIT..now..but because of their degree and their hard work..they will be paying way way way more in FIT than the average person? And will pay way more than the average over their lifetime? Are they not responsible because though over their lifetime..they will be net FIT payers.?

Because that's the case.. and I provided the facts that proved it.. over their lifetime.. the vast majority of those 44% will be NET FIT TAXPAYERS..

In other words.. they ARE paying for themselves.. and often paying for other people.. as well... perhaps YOU when you get old enough and don't have enough income to pay FIT.

You sir have no clue.
 
Individual said:
Back to the OP question.

With the Federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr those who receive government assistance should be required to perform 1 hour of needed labour as made available to them by State or local government for every $7.25 of assistance value provided them until which time they become capable of supporting their needs/wants without government assistance, exempting only those who are totally disabled and incapable of performing any productive work. Make that retroactive, applying it to those who were raised on government assistance as well as their parents and imagine the work that could be done.
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How can they be able to become capable of supporting their needs want without government assistance.. if they are working a 40 hour week.. and then say another 40 hours a week in needed labor (given that for most a living wage is roughly 15 dollars an hour) .. for a total of 80 hours a week?

Doesn't work now does it.
 
jaeger19 said:
Well...I know who those people that don't pay FIT.. are..they are folks like military families whose family members are putting their lives on the line for you.. but their income is so low..that they don't qualify to pay FIT.. ARe you saying that they are not being personal responsible? While carrying a rifle in your defense?


How about the elderly person that has paid in thousands and thousands in FIT..but now they are elderly.. and though they have income..they are not paying FIT because its not enough to qualify?

How about the college student who is busting their butt to get themselves through college..and doesn't pay FIT..now..but because of their degree and their hard work..they will be paying way way way more in FIT than the average person? And will pay way more than the average over their lifetime? Are they not responsible because though over their lifetime..they will be net FIT payers.?

Because that's the case.. and I provided the facts that proved it.. over their lifetime.. the vast majority of those 44% will be NET FIT TAXPAYERS..

In other words.. they ARE paying for themselves.. and often paying for other people.. as well... perhaps YOU when you get old enough and don't have enough income to pay FIT.

You sir have no clue.
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What percentage of the 44%?

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jaeger19 said:
How can they be able to become capable of supporting their needs want without government assistance.. if they are working a 40 hour week.. and then say another 40 hours a week in needed labor (given that for most a living wage is roughly 15 dollars an hour) .. for a total of 80 hours a week?

Doesn't work now does it.
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Obviously it does/would work. Back in the 70's I worked 112-126 hours a week for more than a year.
The most basic need in todays world is a job, government should do no more than assure an environment conducive to job creation, while the most basic want has always been a long and comfortable existence which should be left to the individual to pursue with others free to give aid as they see fit and reasonable.
 
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