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Study Finds Trump Tax Cuts Failed to Do Anything But Give Rich People Money

Dragonlady said:
The first fallacy in this post is "People keeping more of what they earn". The wealthy don't "earn" their money. They have workers who earn their money for them. The Waltons don't even work for Walmart. The most they've ever done is simply sit on the Board of Directors. These people have never worked a day in their lives. They sit back and let the profits of other people's work make them richer and richer, while their workers are dependent on food stamps, MedicAid, and other taxpayer funded income supports.

Only in America do you have "earned income credits" wherein taxpayers are required to supplement the incomes of the employees of the most profitable corporations in America. While the Waltons' fortune now exeeds that of Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, two men who actually built companies, and created their own wealth, their employees, the people who actually "earn" the money the shareholders are receiving, are still struggling. Conservatives oppose giving workers more money, but cheer tax cuts for the wealthy.

Taxes are your share of the costs of living in a first world country. And the wealthy use more government resources than any other group. They need educated workers - taxes pay for education. Infrastructure - roads, railways, airports and waterways to move goods to market. Intellectual property protections, and courts to enforce property rights. Security and safety to keep you from being robbed or exploited and to protect property rights. Product testing and approval for product safety. And last but certainly not least, a social safety net to protect the poorest and most vulnerable from inevitable periods of contraction in a capitalist economy.

When Ronald Reagan was elected and America became a conservative country, the USA was a world leader in health care, manufacturing, infrastructure, and innovation, and poverty was at its lowest level in history. The working class owned a small percentage of the wealth of the nation, and the middle class a larger share. 40 years of Republican tax policies (three massive tax cuts, 18 years of war and deficit spending, one increase in the minimum wage), and the working class are now dependent on government assistance and the top 10% have seen their income rise by 270%.

This is fiscal insanity. If you aren't paid enough to provide basic living expenses for yourself, you're basically a wage slave. You can't save money, or do anything but watch the profits of your work go to those at the top who are sitting on their asses at home waiting for their dividend cheques.
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Not sure what country you live in but you certainly don't understand this one. People don't earn an income because they are rich?? OMG, that one is priceless and totally ignorant of reality.

I gave you a list of the items and what tax funds them, you totally ignored it as you usually do as you are incapable of admitting when wrong. Fiscal insanity is throwing more federal dollars at personal responsibility issues with no accountability. Profit seems to be a dirty word for you so why do you live in this country?

No understanding of risk taking, investment, hard work as apparently all money belongs to the gov't. Still no answer to how people keeping more of what they earn is a gift from the gov't as you don't seem to grasp reality, IT ISN'T the GOVERNMENTS MONEY FIRST. Then there is the wealth argument totally ignoring that wealth continues to grow but I can see from your posts why you aren't participating.

Keep buying what the left tells you and keep letting them make a fool out of you. Waiting for you to explain how 1.66 trillion in Federal Income tax revenue and 160 billion in corporate income tax revenue didn't fund the 1.2 trillion dollar discretionary budget for 2018 and how you can claim revenue is declining?
 
Conservative said:
Not sure what country you live in but you certainly don't understand this one. People don't earn an income because they are rich?? OMG, that one is priceless and totally ignorant of reality.

I gave you a list of the items and what tax funds them, you totally ignored it as you usually do as you are incapable of admitting when wrong. Fiscal insanity is throwing more federal dollars at personal responsibility issues with no accountability. Profit seems to be a dirty word for you so why do you live in this country?

No understanding of risk taking, investment, hard work as apparently all money belongs to the gov't. Still no answer to how people keeping more of what they earn is a gift from the gov't as you don't seem to grasp reality, IT ISN'T the GOVERNMENTS MONEY FIRST. Then there is the wealth argument totally ignoring that wealth continues to grow but I can see from your posts why you aren't participating.

Keep buying what the left tells you and keep letting them make a fool out of you. Waiting for you to explain how 1.66 trillion in Federal Income tax revenue and 160 billion in corporate income tax revenue didn't fund the 1.2 trillion dollar discretionary budget for 2018 and how you can claim revenue is declining?
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Your problem is that you seize on line items and diatribes about what FIT funds. Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants. Your claim that FIT shouldn't fund SS or Medicare, completely ignoring the fact that the federal government has been dipping into the trusts for both programs for years to fund the general expenditures that Congress has failed to cover with the FIT.

You completely ignore facts, reality and the evidence of your own eyes to continue to deny the fiscal and economic disaster that has been Republican tax policy. Under Republican policies, the USA has gone from the world leader in health care, manufacturing, innovation, infrastructure, military might, personal freedoms, and the was rated as best country in the world to live in, to a second tier country. You've lost your leadership in healthcare, manufacturing, innovation, and infrastruction and the liveability of your nation. You're clinging to liveability by your fingernails, but you're rising on the corruption scale.

America is losing investment because your workers are not as well educated as those in Europe or Canada, health care is too expensive, and the infrastructure is inadequate to the needs of business in the 21st century. Countries like Ireland are getting massive investment not just because of their low tax rate, but because of the quality of their infrastructure, education and the politically stability.

The Massive Cost Of America's Crumbling Infrastructure [Infographic]

4 reasons Ireland is the fastest growing economy in the EU - Business Insider

Note reason #2, the Irish people are buying more consumer goods. That's because THEIR INCOME HAS GONE UP. Government spending has gone down BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE HAVE GOOD PAYING JOBS AND GOT OFF WELFARE. Canada now has the fastest growing middle class in the world, because our government has raised the minimum wage, increased social spending for low and middle income families, and put its people ahead of corporations.

Currently, your water and air quality are now deteriortating under the Trump administration.

US air quality is slipping after years of improvement

I get that you can't find sources to back up your BS and thus try to deflect by claiming no one reads links, but it's a weak excuse and no one believes you. You simply have no credible backups for your financial theories, so you attempt to obsfuscate with your line item obsession. But I have no difficulty finding sources - many of them from conservative media, to back up what I'm saying.
 
Dragonlady said:
Your problem is that you seize on line items and diatribes about what FIT funds. Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants. Your claim that FIT shouldn't fund SS or Medicare, completely ignoring the fact that the federal government has been dipping into the trusts for both programs for years to fund the general expenditures that Congress has failed to cover with the FIT.

You completely ignore facts, reality and the evidence of your own eyes to continue to deny the fiscal and economic disaster that has been Republican tax policy. Under Republican policies, the USA has gone from the world leader in health care, manufacturing, innovation, infrastructure, military might, personal freedoms, and the was rated as best country in the world to live in, to a second tier country. You've lost your leadership in healthcare, manufacturing, innovation, and infrastruction and the liveability of your nation. You're clinging to liveability by your fingernails, but you're rising on the corruption scale.

America is losing investment because your workers are not as well educated as those in Europe or Canada, health care is too expensive, and the infrastructure is inadequate to the needs of business in the 21st century. Countries like Ireland are getting massive investment not just because of their low tax rate, but because of the quality of their infrastructure, education and the politically stability.

The Massive Cost Of America's Crumbling Infrastructure [Infographic]

4 reasons Ireland is the fastest growing economy in the EU - Business Insider

Note reason #2, the Irish people are buying more consumer goods. That's because THEIR INCOME HAS GONE UP. Government spending has gone down BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE HAVE GOOD PAYING JOBS AND GOT OFF WELFARE. Canada now has the fastest growing middle class in the world, because our government has raised the minimum wage, increased social spending for low and middle income families, and put its people ahead of corporations.

Currently, your water and air quality are now deteriortating under the Trump administration.

US air quality is slipping after years of improvement

I get that you can't find sources to back up your BS and thus try to deflect by claiming no one reads links, but it's a weak excuse and no one believes you. You simply have no credible backups for your financial theories, so you attempt to obsfuscate with your line item obsession. But I have no difficulty finding sources - many of them from conservative media, to back up what I'm saying.
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Wrong again as usual, had the contributions to SS and Medicare along with excise taxes not been put on budget and part of the unified budget how do you know there would be a shortfall? How does raising taxes solve the problems with bureaucrats borrowing money and using it for items other than intent and then never paying it back? No one does read links as you prove as you continue to ignore the cause of the deficit, entitlement and debt service, not items funded by FIT. The left truly has a patsy is so many

You want sources?? You can't handle the official sources like the budget of the U.S. at bea.gov, or employment and unemployment at bls.gov. You prefer buying what you are told because you think only with your heart

You simply need to take a civics class before spouting rhetoric. Learn what your state and local governments have and their responsibility before blaming Republicans. States have EPA. Can you explain why the bluest state in the nation with the strongest environmental laws has the most cities leading the nation in pollution, poverty, and homelessness and has the largest wage gap and worst quality of life? Stop making a fool out of yourself, research and verify.
 
Conservative said:
I am not your secretary and when I do post links you ignore them as apparently you have no problem with the left making a fool out of you. You seem to be really focused on the physically, mentally and emotionally handcapped believing what you are being told. Post the data to support your claims, mine come from from my community where neighbor helps neighbor and that neighbor isn't a federal bureaucrat that creates dependence.
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Hot air is not convincing at all, and you posted NO link in any of your posts! But you posted plenty of hot air. Just what I thought.
 
Media_Truth said:
Hot air is not convincing at all, and you posted NO link in any of your posts! But you posted plenty of hot air. Just what I thought.
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That is your opinion not supported by fact. Doesn't take a link to prove the OP wrong as giving people money isn't what the tax cuts did, it allowed people to KEEP more of what they earn. If they didn't earn the money there wasn't anything to keep. Giving people money is welfare!
 
Dragonlady said:
I love this response. "Your post is all BS and I can prove it, but I won't". In other words, you couldn't find a single thing to prove the OP wrong, so you just fling crap and say it's not true.
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Sure, fine. Believe what you want. You have the right to an opinion; even a mindless, partisan-laden crapfest one
 
Dragonlady said:
Your problem is that you seize on line items and diatribes about what FIT funds. Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants. Your claim that FIT shouldn't fund SS or Medicare, completely ignoring the fact that the federal government has been dipping into the trusts for both programs for years to fund the general expenditures that Congress has failed to cover with the FIT.

You completely ignore facts, reality and the evidence of your own eyes to continue to deny the fiscal and economic disaster that has been Republican tax policy. Under Republican policies, the USA has gone from the world leader in health care, manufacturing, innovation, infrastructure, military might, personal freedoms, and the was rated as best country in the world to live in, to a second tier country. You've lost your leadership in healthcare, manufacturing, innovation, and infrastruction and the liveability of your nation. You're clinging to liveability by your fingernails, but you're rising on the corruption scale.

America is losing investment because your workers are not as well educated as those in Europe or Canada, health care is too expensive, and the infrastructure is inadequate to the needs of business in the 21st century. Countries like Ireland are getting massive investment not just because of their low tax rate, but because of the quality of their infrastructure, education and the politically stability.

The Massive Cost Of America's Crumbling Infrastructure [Infographic]

4 reasons Ireland is the fastest growing economy in the EU - Business Insider

Note reason #2, the Irish people are buying more consumer goods. That's because THEIR INCOME HAS GONE UP. Government spending has gone down BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE HAVE GOOD PAYING JOBS AND GOT OFF WELFARE. Canada now has the fastest growing middle class in the world, because our government has raised the minimum wage, increased social spending for low and middle income families, and put its people ahead of corporations.

Currently, your water and air quality are now deteriortating under the Trump administration.

US air quality is slipping after years of improvement

I get that you can't find sources to back up your BS and thus try to deflect by claiming no one reads links, but it's a weak excuse and no one believes you. You simply have no credible backups for your financial theories, so you attempt to obsfuscate with your line item obsession. But I have no difficulty finding sources - many of them from conservative media, to back up what I'm saying.
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What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty and inability to admit when wrong? You haven't been paying any attention to the economy here at all, 5 million jobs created, wages up, part time jobs down, GDP growth strong 2 trillion in dollars and the best you can do is blame Trump who had nothing to do with the U.S. air quality as states still have EPA and Trump has an over 50% approval rating on the economy. You are showing how easy it is to indoctrinate people with lies and false advertising

What links do you want me to provide that I haven't provided throughout this thread. I gave you the budget items funded by the taxes the people pay, that comes from Treasury.org. GDP comes from BEA.gov. Employment, unemployment, wages come from BLS.gov and here is a link to the EPA problem mostly in California

The US cities with the worst air pollution are in California — Quartz

FY 2018 Federal Budget: Enacted Versus Trump's Budget Request

Now are you going to show some maturity and admit when wrong?

Worst quality of life https://www.businessinsider.com/california-worst-quality-of-life-2018-3

Worst poverty http://www.capradio.org/articles/20...e-of-the-nations-highest-poverty-rates-again/
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion not supported by fact. Doesn't take a link to prove the OP wrong as giving people money isn't what the tax cuts did, it allowed people to KEEP more of what they earn. If they didn't earn the money there wasn't anything to keep. Giving people money is welfare!
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Reiterating your uneducated garbage does nothing for your credibility. Of course it's welfare. Did I say it wasn't? The questions are still out there - how are you going to transfer 100% of the welfare obligations from the FEDs to States? Specifically, how are you going to address ---

So one State has ZERO assistance for the physically, mentally, or emotionally handicapped, and another State has assistance. How is that going to work out in your Libertarian Utopian US? Will the States give money to the Churches? Will the Church hierarchy decide who qualifies for assistance? So if billionaires don't go to church, they won't have to fund your programs at all?

Hint: States are already heavily involved in Administration of welfare programs.
 
Media_Truth said:
Reiterating your uneducated garbage does nothing for your credibility. Of course it's welfare. Did I say it wasn't? The questions are still out there - how are you going to transfer 100% of the welfare obligations from the FEDs to States? Specifically, how are you going to address ---

So one State has ZERO assistance for the physically, mentally, or emotionally handicapped, and another State has assistance. How is that going to work out in your Libertarian Utopian US? Will the States give money to the Churches? Will the Church hierarchy decide who qualifies for assistance? So if billionaires don't go to church, they won't have to fund your programs at all?

Hint: States are already heavily involved in Administration of welfare programs.
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What money is the Federal Gov't giving to the Taxpayers????? Tax cuts are NOT welfare as the money isn't being sent to the Federal gov't it is being kept by the taxpayers. Where in the hell did you get your education

States have total responsibility for welfare programs or should have. why would you give this to a bureaucrat. No states don't fund Churches, people do as in neighbor helping neighbor, a foreign concept to you. You really hate Churches don't you? Not my problem yours, Never said that was totally Churches responsibility only that they do help in that area as do local charities. You are an indoctrinated liberals who promotes big gov't and thus dependence on that gov't in violation of what our Founders created
 
Conservative said:
What money is the Federal Gov't giving to the Taxpayers????? Tax cuts are NOT welfare as the money isn't being sent to the Federal gov't it is being kept by the taxpayers. Where in the hell did you get your education

States have total responsibility for welfare programs or should have. why would you give this to a bureaucrat. No states don't fund Churches, people do as in neighbor helping neighbor, a foreign concept to you. You really hate Churches don't you? Not my problem yours, Never said that was totally Churches responsibility only that they do help in that area as do local charities. You are an indoctrinated liberals who promotes big gov't and thus dependence on that gov't in violation of what our Founders created
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Still totally lacking. Lots of uneducated verbage, with ZERO substance.

Explain how States will accept this responsibility. i.e. If one State has ZERO assistance for the physically, mentally, or emotionally handicapped, and another State has assistance. Your vague reference to Churches is of NO credibility whatsoever? Will State agencies oversee these churches to verify the money is going where it belongs? What prevents a TV Evangelical from simply pocketing all the money? Will the Church hierarchy decide who qualifies for assistance? What if the church simply decides to build a bigger church? So if billionaires don't go to church, they won't have to fund your programs at all? And what is your backup plan? If these people end up all over the streets, starving, without anybody taking care of them.

P.S These answers are so comical. They basically say nothing, and then start namecalling with your typical blank Political rhetoric.
 
Media_Truth said:
Still totally lacking. Lots of uneducated verbage, with ZERO substance.

Explain how States will accept this responsibility. i.e. If one State has ZERO assistance for the physically, mentally, or emotionally handicapped, and another State has assistance. Your vague reference to Churches is of NO credibility whatsoever? Will State agencies oversee these churches to verify the money is going where it belongs? What prevents a TV Evangelical from simply pocketing all the money? Will the Church hierarchy decide who qualifies for assistance? What if the church simply decides to build a bigger church? So if billionaires don't go to church, they won't have to fund your programs at all? And what is your backup plan? If these people end up all over the streets, starving, without anybody taking care of them.

P.S These answers are so comical. They basically say nothing, and then start namecalling with your typical blank Political rhetoric.
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Doubt seriously that you have any clue what your state offers for the problems that interest you but I assure you the Federal Gov't isn't the answer. Those bureaucrats only care about power and keeping it. Without term limits they buy votes and that doesn't bother you are all as long as you get what you want. This is a state and local issue and if you think a politician wants people in their state hurting you really are the problem
 
Conservative said:
Doubt seriously that you have any clue what your state offers for the problems that interest you but I assure you the Federal Gov't isn't the answer. Those bureaucrats only care about power and keeping it. Without term limits they buy votes and that doesn't bother you are all as long as you get what you want. This is a state and local issue and if you think a politician wants people in their state hurting you really are the problem
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Blah, blah, blah. Nothing but repetition with no substance. You're not worth the time of day.
 
Media_Truth said:
Blah, blah, blah. Nothing but repetition with no substance. You're not worth the time of day.
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Thank you, my feeling exactly about you. Still waiting for an answer, what money is the federal gov't giving to the American taxpayers with the Trump tax cuts? Is it truly your belief that people are paid by the federal bureaucrats and that tax cuts are welfare?
 
Conservative said:
Thank you, my feeling exactly about you. Still waiting for an answer, what money is the federal gov't giving to the American taxpayers with the Trump tax cuts? Is it truly your belief that people are paid by the federal bureaucrats and that tax cuts are welfare?
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More unrelated hyperbole without backing up YOUR OWN CLAIMS. Specifically, how are you going to address ---

So one State has ZERO assistance for the physically, mentally, or emotionally handicapped, and another State has assistance. How is that going to work out in your Libertarian Utopian US? Will the States give money to the Churches? Will the Church hierarchy decide who qualifies for assistance? So if billionaires don't go to church, they won't have to fund your programs at all?

Tell us how this State-Run and Church-Run Welfare system that you are espousing is going to work.
 
Media_Truth said:
More unrelated hyperbole without backing up YOUR OWN CLAIMS. Specifically, how are you going to address ---

So one State has ZERO assistance for the physically, mentally, or emotionally handicapped, and another State has assistance. How is that going to work out in your Libertarian Utopian US? Will the States give money to the Churches? Will the Church hierarchy decide who qualifies for assistance? So if billionaires don't go to church, they won't have to fund your programs at all?

Tell us how this State-Run and Church-Run Welfare system that you are espousing is going to work.
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Your problem appears to be with your state, a state that has term limits therefore you don't like what your leadership is doing change it but stop expecting a federal bureaucrat to solve your local problems. You tell me how throwing money at the problem has worked? State and local charities have a responsibility to the community, the federal bureaucrats don't!
 
Conservative said:
Your problem appears to be with your state, a state that has term limits therefore you don't like what your leadership is doing change it but stop expecting a federal bureaucrat to solve your local problems. You tell me how throwing money at the problem has worked? State and local charities have a responsibility to the community, the federal bureaucrats don't!
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First, they are not MY problems. They are the problems of about 1/5 of Americans with disabilities, including many veterans. Same old "federal bureaucrat" rhetoric. Didn't answer any of the questions. You're the one screaming for change. How are you going to do it?
 
Media_Truth said:
First, they are not MY problems. They are the problems of about 1/5 of Americans with disabilities, including many veterans. Same old "federal bureaucrat" rhetoric. Didn't answer any of the questions. You're the one screaming for change. How are you going to do it?
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And you believe a bureaucrat in D.C. throwing money at the problem is the solution?
 
Conservative said:
And you believe a bureaucrat in D.C. throwing money at the problem is the solution?
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You claimed to have the answers, and now you are nothing but questions. Typical Republicans - we heard all those health care answers on the campaign trail, and when they had control of the House, Senate, and Presidency - surprise - NOTHING! Just like your NOTHING!
 
Media_Truth said:
You claimed to have the answers, and now you are nothing but questions. Typical Republicans - we heard all those health care answers on the campaign trail, and when they had control of the House, Senate, and Presidency - surprise - NOTHING! Just like your NOTHING!
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No, I never claimed to have the answers and I assure you they aren't going to come from that big massive central gov't you support. Trump has been in office 2 + years and I will judge him at the end of 8 like I did with Obama. Nothing you say?? Apparently the results I have posted don't resonate with you as the most important issue to you isn't jobs, it isn't economic activity it is what someone else can pay for you. Trump will be judged in 2020 on results.
 
Conservative said:
No, I never claimed to have the answers and I assure you they aren't going to come from that big massive central gov't you support. Trump has been in office 2 + years and I will judge him at the end of 8 like I did with Obama. Nothing you say?? Apparently the results I have posted don't resonate with you as the most important issue to you isn't jobs, it isn't economic activity it is what someone else can pay for you. Trump will be judged in 2020 on results.
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You've waffled back and forth like a yo-yo. First, you stated that the churches should be responsible for the mentally ill, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed. Then you said that it should only be a State function. When I challenged that by asking, "What is some states have ZERO disability, and others have programs?", you never responded. Now you say you "never claimed to have the answers". You're just like your buddy.

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Media_Truth said:
You've waffled back and forth like a yo-yo. First, you stated that the churches should be responsible for the mentally ill, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed. Then you said that it should only be a State function. When I challenged that by asking, "What is some states have ZERO disability, and others have programs?", you never responded. Now you say you "never claimed to have the answers". You're just like your buddy.

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What a waste of time, you want the federal gov't to do what is a state and local responsibility. That isn't ever going to happen. If your state doesn't have a problem what are you doing about it?
 
The Republican Party exists in order to make the rich richer and more powerful. Anything else Republican politicians and commentators talk about are efforts to win the votes of whites who are not rich. If you keep that in mind you will never be surprised by anything the Republican Party does. I hope you will be angered, but you will never be surprised.
 
Media_Truth said:
You've waffled back and forth like a yo-yo. First, you stated that the churches should be responsible for the mentally ill, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed. Then you said that it should only be a State function. When I challenged that by asking, "What is some states have ZERO disability, and others have programs?", you never responded. Now you say you "never claimed to have the answers". You're just like your buddy.

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If care "for the mentally ill, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed" are local responsibilities, selfish prosperous people will move to states that do nothing to help "the mentally ill, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed," and they will not be helped.
 
SmartCat said:
The Republican Party exists in order to make the rich richer and more powerful. Anything else Republican politicians and commentators talk about are efforts to win the votes of whites who are not rich. If you keep that in mind you will never be surprised by anything the Republican Party does. I hope you will be angered, but you will never be surprised.
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I can see exactly why you aren't part of the rich and it has nothing to do with the Republican Party. You going to explain to us how you give a FIT cut to people WHO DON'T PAY FIT?

Keep promoting the 24/7 anti Trump rhetoric attacking his personality and history none of which have anything to do with the job he has done in office and keep losing national elections. There is a reason that Trump is in office, HILLARY!! There is a reason Trump will win Re-election, the economy!!
 
SmartCat said:
If care "for the mentally ill, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed" are local responsibilities, selfish prosperous people will move to states that do nothing to help "the mentally ill, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed," and they will not be helped.
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Interesting how this is a federal responsibility and yet a state issue and cost. Spending in the Name of Compassion is what the left promotes but the only real compassion goes to the bureaucrats administering the programs and creating dependence for those taking what those bureaucrats offer.
 
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