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SS: Republicans Continue Robbing From the Poor

Wow, what a mess Obama left!
 
joko104 said:
Wow, what a mess Obama left!
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US should have elected Gore and gone with the "lockbox."

SS would be solvent and today we would all be flying in electric cars like the Jetsons. Instead, we elected a backwards Christian from Texas.
 
Those greedy old Americans have NO right to take social services money that should go to illegal migrants. As long as the USA keeps providing for non-Americans everything is A-OK. Those old people deserve to suffer according to the Democratic Party, that REALLY just wants old Americans to die off anyway to make more room for young, uneducated non-citizen Latinos.
 
joko104 said:
Those greedy old Americans have NO right to take social services money that should go to illegal migrants. As long as the USA keeps providing for non-Americans everything is A-OK. Those old people deserve to suffer according to the Democratic Party, that REALLY just wants old Americans to die off anyway to make more room for young, uneducated non-citizen Latinos.
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Wow, talk about missing the thread topic by a mile. :roll:
 
calamity said:
Wow, talk about missing the thread topic by a mile. :roll:
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I was exactly on point. What is off-the-topic is the OP, trying to blame SS problems on Trump - which is as absurd as it gets.
 
joko104 said:
I was exactly on point. What is off-the-topic is the OP, trying to blame SS problems on Trump - which is as absurd as it gets.
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Your rant about immigrants was off point. BTW, are you aware that illegal immigrants pay into SS but don't take out?

Probably not.
 
Well, people need to stop viewing Social Security as an entitlement. It was originally designed to keep the elderly out of the workhouses and it was sustainable because the age of collection meant that many if not most of the people who contributed died long before they could collect. It was never intended to be a system people depended on for another 10-20 years of income.
 
calamity said:
Your rant about immigrants was off point. BTW, are you aware that illegal immigrants pay into SS but don't take out?

Probably not.
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Illegal immigrants suck tens of billions of dollars (actually hundreds) from taxing authorities - local, school districts, state and federal.
 
This is why Democrats want citizenship for illegal immigrants:


If you immigrate to the United States when you’re 65 or older, can you draw Social Security benefits just like an American citizen? Under some circumstances, the answer is yes. In other cases, you can draw your home country’s equivalent of Social Security benefits even if you immigrate to the United States. And some immigrants qualify to draw benefits from both countries. Here’s an overview of how the rules work.
Immigrants Over 65 and Social Security Benefits





Of course, the moment "dreamers" (ie "Illegal immigrants") obtained citizenship, 3,600,000 more people become eligible for negative income tax income, social security and Medicare - plus SNAP and every other welfare and social program.

Democrats now are at war with themselves. They insist that illegal immigrants bring wealth with them - unless they live in Democrat control cities and then they will destroy the city. THAT is what Democrats now claim, isn't it? If they were so lucrative, Democrat run sanctuary cities would be urging President Trump to send all illegal immigrants awaiting hearing to their cities.
 
Napoleon said:
Well, people need to stop viewing Social Security as an entitlement. It was originally designed to keep the elderly out of the workhouses and it was sustainable because the age of collection meant that many if not most of the people who contributed died long before they could collect. It was never intended to be a system people depended on for another 10-20 years of income.
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At the time of social security, the average life span was age 67. That meant, on average, 2 years of social security and ONLY for the elderly. Now social security covers millions of people on disability (many if not most working cash jobs on the side), surviving spouses and surviving children. MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people draw social security "free money" that social security was never intended for - and people live 500% longer. Nor was the money saved for social security, but spent.

The Social Security system is broke NOW - not years from now. It is a false accounting game in which the government counts IOUs from the treasury as assets, when in fact it is $0 because it all is debt spending. Since there is interest on the debt, actually how much social security has is less than $0. Only the federal government can write itself IOUs, pay interest on the IOUs, and counts the IOUs as an asset rather than a debt. Wouldn't it be nice if we all could do that? Buy everything with IOUs we never, ever, ever have to pay back - and then more IOUs plus IOUs for the interest too.
 
joko104 said:
Illegal immigrants suck tens of billions of dollars (actually hundreds) from taxing authorities - local, school districts, state and federal.
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lol...
 
calamity said:
US should have elected Gore and gone with the "lockbox."

SS would be solvent and today we would all be flying in electric cars like the Jetsons. Instead, we elected a backwards Christian from Texas.
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Never was a lockbox. That was pure election poppycock.
 
joko104 said:
I was exactly on point. What is off-the-topic is the OP, trying to blame SS problems on Trump - which is as absurd as it gets.
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The article suggests Medicare and SS are doing better - blame that on Trump.
 
calamity said:
...to give to the rich.

Social Security is running out of money, with benefits on track to be reduced by 2035

Fund a Trillion-dollar give away to the Rich by cutting the benefits of the not at all rich.
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...wait.

So leftists instituted an unsustainable, massive federal program, which Republicans have argued repeatedly we need to save from being unsustainable....

and it's Republicans fault that the leftists instituted a massive, unsustainable, federal program, which has been responsible for reducing worker take-home-pay for decades?

obe-kaybe :roll:
 
Napoleon said:
Well, people need to stop viewing Social Security as an entitlement. It was originally designed to keep the elderly out of the workhouses and it was sustainable because the age of collection meant that many if not most of the people who contributed died long before they could collect. It was never intended to be a system people depended on for another 10-20 years of income.
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Worth noting - it was also designed as the foolproof pyramid scheme because EVERYONE KNOWS that we will all have 4 children per couple.

....until we didn't.


I also will admit to finding it darkly ironic that, had we not killed off 40 million potential workers, Social Security would probably be in much greater shape.
 
cpwill said:
...wait.

So leftists instituted an unsustainable, massive federal program, which Republicans have argued repeatedly we need to save from being unsustainable....

and it's Republicans fault that the leftists instituted a massive, unsustainable, federal program, which has been responsible for reducing worker take-home-pay for decades?

obe-kaybe :roll:
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Republicans "borrowed" money from Social Security a long time ago.
 
jghiretire said:
Republicans "borrowed" money from Social Security a long time ago.
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Yeah. I believe it was that famous Republican, Lyndon B Johnson, who started that :roll:

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Napoleon said:
Well, people need to stop viewing Social Security as an entitlement. It was originally designed to keep the elderly out of the workhouses and it was sustainable because the age of collection meant that many if not most of the people who contributed died long before they could collect. It was never intended to be a system people depended on for another 10-20 years of income.
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Meaning we need to bring back the workhouses? We need to end the "cap" on SS withholding and means test benefits. SS should not go to those that don't need it.
 
cpwill said:
Yeah. I believe it was that famous Republican, Lyndon B Johnson, who started that :roll:

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Excess SS withholding is placed in t-bills so it earns interest. It makes no sense to do otherwise.
 
cpwill said:
Yeah. I believe it was that famous Republican, Lyndon B Johnson, who started that :roll:

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LBJ was one of THE worst presidents this country every had. He deliberately did all he can to turn black communities into broken family communities of generational welfare careers domestically - literally paying women bonuses to be impoverished single parents, while getting us into Vietnam massively - after his outright lie promising that he wouldn't. If any president should have been impeached and removed it was LBJ.
 
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