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Trump Admin no longer forecasting 3% growth

James972 said:
obviously tax and regulation cuts are pro-business, pro jobs, pro economy, and pro capitalism. Is there any sane person in the world who imagines libdemsocialism is good for an economy? Ever heard of East/West Germany, Cuba/Florida, Europe/USA, China pre and post socialism?? A child can understand this but not a liberal. America is on the brink just like Germany was on the brink in 1933!! Pure liberal ignorance is the norm in human history
and it repeats itself over and over.
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That assertion that "tax and regulation cuts are pro-business, pro jobs, pro economy, and pro capitalism" is obvious is not so obvious. Eliminating financial regulation that curbed Wall Street excesses and thus allowed Wall St. to take extreme risks caused a financial meltdown that had financial firms that were in business for a century go belly up; caused many people to lose their jobs and caused the economy an 8% decline in GDP.

In China, that has scant environmental regulations, the air gets so bad that people are urged to stay home and not work, at not only a personal cost to health, but an economic cost of loss of income and productivity.

Loss of adequate enforcement of off-shore oil drills caused the Deepwater Horizon create a severe ecological disaster that cost $65 billion -- not including the devastation of the shrimp industry and loss of employment and hit to the local economy.

You see, conservatives hold the belief, like a religion, that regulations are bad. It just isn't true. Even Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, recognized the need for regulation. His example was fire codes that protect the safety of the public.
 
MTAtech said:
That assertion that "tax and regulation cuts are pro-business, pro jobs, pro economy, and pro capitalism" is obvious is not so obvious. Eliminating financial regulation that curbed Wall Street excesses and thus allowed Wall St. to take extreme risks caused a financial meltdown that had financial firms that were in business for a century go belly up; caused many people to lose their jobs and caused the economy an 8% decline in GDP.

In China, that has scant environmental regulations, the air gets so bad that people are urged to stay home and not work, at not only a personal cost to health, but an economic cost of loss of income and productivity.

Loss of adequate enforcement of off-shore oil drills caused the Deepwater Horizon create a severe ecological disaster that cost $65 billion -- not including the devastation of the shrimp industry and loss of employment and hit to the local economy.

You see, conservatives hold the belief, like a religion, that regulations are bad. It just isn't true. Even Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, recognized the need for regulation. His example was fire codes that protect the safety of the public.
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Your problem is you believe the gov't is the answer but only the Federal gov't totally ignoring state and local responsibilities. Just another anti private sector rant on your part ignoring completely anything that refutes your comments which are all pro gov't, pro massive entitlements, and pro class envy, jealousy.

I do feel sorry for people like you who have been indoctrinated into believing the leftwing rhetoric and lies. Regulations aren't bad, over regulation is and that is what the left promotes especially with their social engineering.

Still waiting for a response from you on other posts especially as to why state and local taxes are to be deducted from federal income taxes and why red states should be subsidizing high taxed blue state taxpayers having less to deduct from their federal returns?
 
MTAtech said:
Eliminating financial regulation that curbed Wall Street excesses and thus allowed Wall St. to take extreme risks caused a financial meltdown
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You show how embarrassingly low the liberal IQ is by your inability to deal with the conservative answer despite seeing it 54 times now. Maybe 55 is the charm.

1) there were 132 liberal programs to regulate the free market in order to get people into homes that capitalist free market regulation said they could not afford
2) libcommie Fan/Fred regulated free market to point where they owned 75% of subprime and Alt A loans at time of collapse
3) libcommie "Greenspan Put" or regulation was in place assuring everyone there was no risk because libcommie regulation would bail everyone out

Shall we go for 56 times after you ignore the conservative argument once again because as a typical liberal you simply lack the IQ to understand it?
 
MTAtech said:
In China, that has scant environmental regulations, the air gets so bad that people are urged to stay home and not work, at not only a personal cost to health, but an economic cost of loss of income and productivity.
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again, pure perfect shameless liberal ignorance. China had socialist regulation and 60 million slowly starved to death; now they have Republican capitalism and everyone is surviving and many are getting rich. Dying 4 years earlier from pollution is a great deal compared to dying 40 years early from libsocialism.

I know it's 100 miles over your head but why not ask your mother to explain it to you? You promised! Do you want to meet your maker as a liberal?
 
MTAtech said:
Loss of adequate enforcement of off-shore oil drills caused the Deepwater Horizon create a severe ecological disaster
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There were tons an tons of regulations in place at Deepwater just like in USSR and Red China when 120 million slowly stared to death. Cuba does worse than Florida because liberal govt monopoly regulations are worse than free market regulations. Why did you think East Germany did worse than West Germany?
Again I'm sure your Mom can explain. Why try to understand on your own when the arguments are so complicated for you?
 
Automakers Tell Trump His Pollution Rules Could Mean ‘Untenable’ Instability and Lower Profits

WASHINGTON — Many of the world’s largest automakers joined together Thursday to tell President Trump that one of his most sweeping deregulatory efforts — his plan to weaken pollution standards for automobiles — threatens to hurt their profitability and produce “untenable” instability in one of the nation’s most important manufacturing sectors.

In a letter signed by 17 companies including Ford, General Motors, Toyota and Volvo, the automakers asked Mr. Trump to go back to the negotiating table on the planned rollback. It represents the most forceful statement to date by the auto industry against Mr. Trump’s effort to weaken the tailpipe pollution rules, one of President Barack Obama’s signature policies to fight climate change.
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James972 said:
Yes instability and lower profits because California (biggest market) will have its own much higher pollution standards requiring automakers to make one car for America and one for California. Automakers asked Trump to roll back tail pipe standards and he did. Also, way over your heard I'm sure.
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Please document automakers asked Trump to roll back (make them weaker) tail pipe standards. My take is that you make up your own alternative reality. Moreover, there is no reason why automakers can't voluntarily make all cars meet the higher California standards.

There is nothing wrong with having emissions standard that keep the air clean and our lives healthy.
 
MTAtech said:
Please document automakers asked Trump to roll back (make them weaker) tail pipe standards. My take is that you make up your own alternative reality.
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Alternative reality: Honestly you are too slow to be here!! Here is quote from your own article. Don't be discouraged by your constant and pure liberal ignorance!! What is the hope for our country with liberals like you around??

"Soon after Mr. Trump took office, chief executives from Detroit’s top automakers personally asked the president to loosen the some elements of the Obama-era regulations."
 
James972 said:
Alternative reality: Honestly you are too slow to be here!! Here is quote from your own article. Don't be discouraged by your constant and pure liberal ignorance!! What is the hope for our country with liberals like you around??

"Soon after Mr. Trump took office, chief executives from Detroit’s top automakers personally asked the president to loosen the some elements of the Obama-era regulations."
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Read the next two sentences for context: "However, the Trump administration went further than the industry expected, using the rollback to attack California’s legal authority to set its own rules. Since the 1970 Clean Air Act, California has had special authority to write its own pollution regulations.

The Trump administration last year unveiled a draft plan that would have rolled back the Obama rule and stripped California of the right to set tougher state standards. In subsequent months, both sides said they hoped to negotiate their way to a final plan that would lead to one national standard, avoiding potential courtroom showdowns."
 
James972 said:
obviously tax and regulation cuts are pro-business, pro jobs, pro economy, and pro capitalism. Is there any sane person in the world who imagines libdemsocialism is good for an economy? Ever heard of East/West Germany, Cuba/Florida, Europe/USA, China pre and post socialism?? A child can understand this but not a liberal. America is on the brink just like Germany was on the brink in 1933!! Pure liberal ignorance is the norm in human history
and it repeats itself over and over.
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Ever heard of the Mondragon company? Oh noes workers rights, unions, and safety regulations oh noes! We should totally go back to the gilded age!
 
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MTAtech said:
Please document automakers asked Trump to roll back (make them weaker) tail pipe standards. My take is that you make up your own alternative reality. Moreover, there is no reason why automakers can't voluntarily make all cars meet the higher California standards.

There is nothing wrong with having emissions standard that keep the air clean and our lives healthy.
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But just think what a boost it'll be for Japanese car makers. They'll be able to ship the same cars to the US that they ship to China. Hell, some of those Japanese cars are made in China for the world market- now they'll be available in the good ole US of A. Smog is a small price to pay for unencumbering corporate interests and freeing up the market, no?
 
MTAtech said:
Read the next two sentences for context: "However, the Trump administration went further than the industry expected, using the rollback to attack California’s legal authority to set its own rules. Since the 1970 Clean Air Act, California has had special authority to write its own pollution regulations.

The Trump administration last year unveiled a draft plan that would have rolled back the Obama rule and stripped California of the right to set tougher state standards. In subsequent months, both sides said they hoped to negotiate their way to a final plan that would lead to one national standard, avoiding potential courtroom showdowns."
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illiterate of course. Industry obviously wanted everyone on one national standard. You lied! You are a typical liberal.

Please, I suggest you read and try to learn and don't comment . Even for a liberal you alway missed what middle school reading would have allowed you to pick up.
 
James972 said:
illiterate of course. Industry obviously wanted everyone on one national standard. You lied! You are a typical liberal.

Please, I suggest you read and try to learn and don't comment . Even for a liberal you alway missed what middle school reading would have allowed you to pick up.
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Once again, you create a post that adds nothing to the conversation. You also display that you don't have the faintest notion of what liberals believe. While conservatives see smaller government as an end in itself, liberals don’t see bigger government the same way. Think about it: while you often see conservatives crow about, say, reducing regulations on the theory that unrestrained business is better, do you ever see liberals crowing about an increase in regulations, never mind what the regulations do? Liberals want government to do certain things, like environmental protection; when their objective coincides with industry objectives, liberals support industry.
 
MTAtech said:
do you ever see liberals crowing about an increase in regulations,
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of course that is 100% of what liberals want. More and more regulations until we are communists. NOW do you understand?
 
MTAtech said:
Liberals want government to do certain things, like environmental protection; when their objective coincides with industry objectives, liberals support industry.
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Liberals are anti business anti American socialists . Ever hear of Bernie Sanders?
 
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