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Reparations for Slavery

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Virgil Jones

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Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and some other presidential candidate for president are calling for paying trillions of dollars in reparations to blacks, transgenders, gays and hispanics. I do not think this is a good idea. What do you think?

They are leaving East Asians out because America is so racist that the minority known as Asians have higher IQs and make more money on average than white people. Yet they are not a minority.
 
When someone can prove they were held in slavery and point out those who held them in bondage, then I will consider supporting reparations-paid by the actual slave holder to the actual slave. Until then, it is a moronic idea
 
I doubt that the democrats are actually serious about pursuing this impossible idiocy, I think they are positioning themselves in the primary. When the general election starts they will drop this nonsense
 
Virgil Jones said:
Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and some other presidential candidate for president are calling for paying trillions of dollars in reparations to blacks, transgenders, gays and hispanics. I do not think this is a good idea. What do you think?

They are leaving East Asians out because America is so racist that the minority known as Asians have higher IQs and make more money on average than white people. Yet they are not a minority.
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Rehash of the same nonsense that gets trotted out by the Dems whenever someone is running for election.

They'll spout off with it. It'll get noticed by a few useful idiots. Heck, it might even get a vote or two.

Then everyone will forget about it and nothing will happen.

Smart people don't pay attention to the nonsense.
 
Mycroft said:
Rehash of the same nonsense that gets trotted out by the Dems whenever someone is running for election.

They'll spout off with it. It'll get noticed by a few useful idiots. Heck, it might even get a vote or two.

Then everyone will forget about it and nothing will happen.

Smart people don't pay attention to the nonsense.
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There has to be some major currency for these ideas on the left, or this idiocy would never have been spoken. What of that? Who are these crazy leftists?
 
TurtleDude said:
When someone can prove they were held in slavery and point out those who held them in bondage, then I will consider supporting reparations-paid by the actual slave holder to the actual slave. Until then, it is a moronic idea
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Your grandparents went to college, provided a learned and safe environment and gave you money. They provided personal and business contacts, opened doors. Black people's grandparents were slaves. Not the same start.
 
Virgil Jones said:
Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and some other presidential candidate for president are calling for paying trillions of dollars in reparations to blacks, transgenders, gays and hispanics. I do not think this is a good idea. What do you think?

They are leaving East Asians out because America is so racist that the minority known as Asians have higher IQs and make more money on average than white people. Yet they are not a minority.
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Well if being for reparations is going to get me votes in the primary, then I'm for them, what can I say?

Of course if the Asians are earning more they're in no need of reparation.

Jobs, jobs are reparation; jobs for inner city black folk.

The question is not whether reparations, that is what and not how, but how reparations?

How can I pay you?

How can someone else?

If we had a leisurely Treasury, I wouldn't care if they took half a years revenue and set it aside for those who suffered, but I don't know if this is right.

Blacks sold blacks to slave traders, what does this have to do with me?

We all benefit by what was built.

What about the iron workers, the railroads, the Pinkertons?

My grandfather was a miner and died of black lung.

I could get some of that two Trillion.

If we split it up 327 million ways we could each have six hundred thousand dollars.

Vote for me As Azapizzazz, but not in 2020 because I have a Saturn return coming.

No, I'm clowning at you I sure don't want to be President.
 
ecofarm said:
Your grandparents went to college, provided a learned and safe environment and gave you money. They provided personal and business contacts, opened doors. Black people's grandparents were slaves. Not the same start.
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why am I responsible for that? That doesn't justify me having to pay some black people anything
 
TurtleDude said:
why am I responsible for that? That doesn't justify me having to pay some black people anything
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Why does responsibility matter?

Fact is: intergenerational wealth matters. And that blows your "if you were a slave" out of the water. Let's be intellectually honest.
 
ecofarm said:
Your grandparents went to college, provided a learned and safe environment and gave you money. They provided personal and business contacts, opened doors. Black people's grandparents were slaves. Not the same start.
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But is that really the reason for racial disparities? My parents did not go to college, yet I am successful. All of the inheritance nonsense does not describe the dynamic which truly is rags to riches America.
 
ecofarm said:
Why does responsibility matter?

Fact is: intergenerational wealth matters. And that blows your "if you were a slave" out of the water. Let's be intellectually honest.
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Generational wealth must matter in Africa as well. Perhaps you can give me ideas of why black people in the us are the richest black people on planet earth?
 
TurtleDude said:
why am I responsible for that? That doesn't justify me having to pay some black people anything
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You know, I don't know the statistics, but what do I care if a big chunk of money is broken off somewhere for some poor people?

This is just another democratic social welfare idea, and I'm all for the welfare reparations and they can repeal the tax break to pay for it.

With repeal more welfare and government workers will go on skii vacation; you know the ones investing their money aren't breaking it off for a bunch of those.

Then I can get more hours at work.

In the summer road workers will stop in and dine.
 
Virgil Jones said:
But is that really the reason for racial disparities? My parents did not go to college, yet I am successful. All of the inheritance nonsense does not describe the dynamic which truly is rags to riches America.
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Racial disparities are the result of two factors: poverty and racism. Both can be traced back to slavery.

Now, is everyone that's poor in such a situation because they didn't have grandparents? No. But not having grandparents contributes to the disproportional representation (that's a more accurate term than disparity).

My grandparents went to college and gave me money. I can't imagine what my life would be like if my parents started from scratch, but I know it wouldn't be the same.
 
Virgil Jones said:
Generational wealth must matter in Africa as well. Perhaps you can give me ideas of why black people in the us are the richest black people on planet earth?
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Perhaps generational wealth only exists in societies where white people live?
 
ecofarm said:
Racial disparities are the result of two factors: poverty and racism. Both can be traced back to slavery.

Now, is everyone that's poor in such a situation because they didn't have grandparents? No. But not having grandparents contributes to the disproportional representation (that's a more accurate term than disparity).

My grandparents went to college and gave me money. I can't imagine what my life would be like if my parents started from scratch, but I know it wouldn't be the same.
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How can you trace things back to slavery, when so many other people have succeeded far after the idiotic mention of a certain period of slavery?
 
Virgil Jones said:
Generational wealth must matter in Africa as well. Perhaps you can give me ideas of why black people in the us are the richest black people on planet earth?
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The African continent was devastated by colonialism and slavery. Kenya fought for and finally won its freedom in 1963. Imagine if this country started in 1963 and had virtually no social or human capital at that time.

It takes an astounding amount of ignorance, intentional really, to not know the history of what made Europe and America strong and Africa weak. But I guess it's natural, kinda, to pretend one's success was not stolen from others.
 
Virgil Jones said:
Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and some other presidential candidate for president are calling for paying trillions of dollars in reparations to blacks, transgenders, gays and hispanics. I do not think this is a good idea. What do you think?

They are leaving East Asians out because America is so racist that the minority known as Asians have higher IQs and make more money on average than white people. Yet they are not a minority.
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I'm not finding a valid argument for reparations; would anyone like to try to make one?
 
All people are descendants of slaves, but yet certain people want credit for that in the form of wealth. All people on earth are descended from slave owners, yet certain people want to be racist against white people and claim that we were the only ones. What kind of stupidity is this?
 
ecofarm said:
The African continent was devastated by colonialism and slavery. Kenya fought for and finally won its freedom in 1963. Imagine if this country started in 1963 and had virtually no social or human capital at that time.

It takes an astounding amount of ignorance, intentional really, to not know the history of what made Europe and America strong and Africa weak. But I guess it's natural, kinda, to pretend one's success was not stolen.
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Africa was a bunch of warring tribes each one off to kill the other to make themselves king and chief.
 
Virgil Jones said:
How can you trace things back to slavery, when so many other people have succeeded far after the idiotic mention of a certain period of slavery?
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Statistics. Science.

That's not based on anecdotal evidence like your racist BS.
 
TurtleDude said:
When someone can prove they were held in slavery and point out those who held them in bondage, then I will consider supporting reparations-paid by the actual slave holder to the actual slave. Until then, it is a moronic idea
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Even then it makes little sense. Why punish the great (great?) grandchild for something legal done a long, long time ago?
 
Exquisitor said:
Africa was a bunch of warring tribes each one off to kill the other to make themselves king and chief.
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And yet Europe and America stole billions and destroyed social and human capital.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Even then it makes little sense. Why punish the great (great?) grandchild for something legal done a long, long time ago?
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It's not about punishing anyone. It's about a segment of society that got totally ****ed over and dealing with the ramifications.

It's not about blaming anyone or punishing anyone. It's about fixing a wrong to make society better and thus benefiting everyone.

You have a completely ignorant and ****ed up view of reparations, their justification and their purpose.

I mean... it's "wow" ****ed up.
 
ecofarm said:
The African continent was devastated by colonialism and slavery. Kenya fought for and finally won its freedom in 1963. Imagine if this country started in 1963 and had virtually no social or human capital at that time.

It takes an astounding amount of ignorance, intentional really, to not know the history of what made Europe and America strong and Africa weak. But I guess it's natural, kinda, to pretend one's success was not stolen from others.
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What wealth was taken from Africa? What wealth did they create? Why was Africa always weak, before and after the colonial era? What was stolen from them?
 
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