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Deficit-swelling Trump White House plans to use deficit against Democrats

Conservative said:
Let's face it, you really don't care about the American people outside your own life as you never address any actual data or facts presented. I spent 35 years in the private sector actually managing people, good and bad people but you can never recognize bad in anything as you spend too much time reading books and not dealing with people

There are consequences for poor choices, GOOD AND BAD, but you never recognize that. You also never recognize the role of the state and local gov't in handling social issue believing what the Democrats tell you. We have a 22 trillion dollar debt that wasn't created only by Republicans no matter what the left tells you. Why hasn't all that spending in the name of compassion reduced dependence, solved a problem and reduced the debt?

There is no intent on the part of Congress to ever reduce spending because that is their power and that is how they buy votes. The left has indoctrinated a lot of people with rhetoric not warranted by those results. Social problems are state and local problems not federal although federal could help by taking less money from the states and let the states handle their own issues

You and others keep posting meaningless statistics that ignore personal responsibility issues and actual reality, Debt to GDP, debt per Capita, debt per President is irrelevant as we have a private sector economy that debt isn't secured by GDP, We have Congress and basic civics which controls the spending and the legislation, and economic performance has a lot to do with the President's attitude and directional focus.

Keep promoting the stock market while ignoring that the stock market is also affected by interest rates, zero and historic lows under Obama and increased four times this past year under Trump. Your biased opinions and book smarts ignores reality and circumstances
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YES we have a 22 Trillion dollar debt but YOU can't admit Trump has run it up more then Obama did in 5 out of the 8 years he was in office
trump has run it up MORE then 2 Trillion dollars in less then 1 year and 6 months
and IF we took it from the day he took office like YOU always want to do for Obama it is over 2.08 Trillion dollars already
on the day Trump took office the debt was 199947304555212.49 and as of last Friday it was 22028692383333.10 a difference of 2,081,387,828,120.61 and that is OVER 2 TRILLION dollars
or you can take it from Oct 1 2017 ( the US treasury web site doesn't have any thing for Oct 1 2017 but I will give Trump a day ) on Oct 2 of 2017 it was 20,347,802,336,477.80 and again as of Friday it was 22028692383333.10 an increase of 1,680,890,046,855.30 ( more then Obama did in his first fiscal year and he was dealing with the worst recession ever. and Trump was handed an economy that was rebounding and would have been more robust IF the Republicans had cared about the people of the US and not do everything they could to make him a one term President ))
So do you want to take it from Oct 1 of the year the President takes office like the Constitution says OR take it from the day the incoming President takes office you can't have it both ways )
IF you do one thing for Obama you have to do it for every President NOT have it one way for Obama and another way for all the republican Presidents
have a nice night
 
Tbird19482 said:
YES we have a 22 Trillion dollar debt but YOU can't admit Trump has run it up more then Obama did in 5 out of the 8 years he was in office
trump has run it up MORE then 2 Trillion dollars in less then 1 year and 6 months
and IF we took it from the day he took office like YOU always want to do for Obama it is over 2.08 Trillion dollars already
on the day Trump took office the debt was 199947304555212.49 and as of last Friday it was 22028692383333.10 a difference of 2,081,387,828,120.61 and that is OVER 2 TRILLION dollars
or you can take it from Oct 1 2017 ( the US treasury web site doesn't have any thing for Oct 1 2017 but I will give Trump a day ) on Oct 2 of 2017 it was 20,347,802,336,477.80 and again as of Friday it was 22028692383333.10 an increase of 1,680,890,046,855.30 ( more then Obama did in his first fiscal year and he was dealing with the worst recession ever. and Trump was handed an economy that was rebounding and would have been more robust IF the Republicans had cared about the people of the US and not do everything they could to make him a one term President ))
So do you want to take it from Oct 1 of the year the President takes office like the Constitution says OR take it from the day the incoming President takes office you can't have it both ways )
IF you do one thing for Obama you have to do it for every President NOT have it one way for Obama and another way for all the republican Presidents
have a nice night
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I find it interesting that your double standard is ignored, Trump has had one budget year, not two and as of yet there hasn't been a Trump trillion dollar deficit yet you claim he has had two. Not sure where you get your information because you never post actual Treasury data showing the deficit or the cause of that deficit.

Saying the same thing over and over again about a budget that never existed for 2009 until Obama signed it doesn't make it true but does show you as a partisan liberal who is typical and doesn't understand data or the Budget Process. You also have no idea what a Continuing resolution is and want to blame Trump for the entire 2009 deficit when Obama had 6 months of spending and did so totally recycling TARP repayments which were a Bush expense until repaid in 2009 yet never credited to the deficit.

You also want to ignore the stimulus that you claim brought us out of recession yet with no spending according to you how did that happen?

Did Bush sign that stimulus,

Bush bail out the Teachers and auto unions,

did Bush spend more on TARP than the 350 billion reported,

did Bush take over GM, bail out AIG, create an Afghanistan supplemental of 100 billion in July 2009?

Did Trump raise interest rates 7 times since taking office driving up interest expense on the debt inherited?

Your very selective and partisan memory shows nothing but your ignorance of reality as history will show Obama adding 9.3 trillion to the debt. No matter how many times you make the same statement over and over again, it will never be true and the Obama Administration will still hold the record for adding the most debt in U.S. History and having the worst recovery from a major recession in modern history. That is failure and support for that failure doesn't give you any credibility
 
SmartCat said:
The following two websites provides documentation for my assertion that the national debt as a percentage of gross domestic product only became a problem when the top tax rate was lowered below 70%. President Clinton did not raise taxes on the rich nearly as high as he should have. Nevertheless, the national debt as a percentage of gross domestic product did decline during his presidency.

National Debt by Year: Compared to GDP and Major Events

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/02inpetr.pdf

Fair minded observers of our debate here have probably noticed that I document my factual assertions, while you post right wing cliches and rhetoric.

If you are as successful as you claim to be you are used to being treated with deference. I reserve my deference for those who earn my respect.
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I am waiting for you and any other radical to explain why debt to GDP is even relevant in a private sector economy since GDP doesn't secure the debt?

Anyone who spouts opinions like yours doesn't have any credibility when it comes to determining respect for others. Do we pay debt service on the dollars or the percentage of GDP?

Fair minded people are never called liberal or slightly liberal and understand the deficit and the debt, you are a full fledged liberal who doesn't understand either.
 
Conservative said:
I am waiting for you and any other radical to explain why debt to GDP is even relevant in a private sector economy since GDP doesn't secure the debt?

Anyone who spouts opinions like yours doesn't have any credibility when it comes to determining respect for others. Do we pay debt service on the dollars or the percentage of GDP?

Fair minded people are never called liberal or slightly liberal and understand the deficit and the debt, you are a full fledged liberal who doesn't understand either.
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No way you were a CEO of a large business and don't know the answer to your own question. Any analyst of financial activity would be well acquainted with the usefulness of the array of ratios for given industries. Robert Morris Annual Statement Studies was the analytical bible back in my day ... and you are even older than I
The ratio of gross income to accrued debt is a common ratio to use to assess repayment ability, as should be known to anyone who has applied for a home loan. Why would such a ratio not be useful to similarly evaluate whether the nation is over-extended and should no longer incur additional debt (hint: it is not - and it can)
Now, whether we should add debt during good financial times is another question
 
justabubba said:
No way you were a CEO of a large business and don't know the answer to your own question. Any analyst of financial activity would be well acquainted with the usefulness of the array of ratios for given industries. Robert Morris Annual Statement Studies was the analytical bible back in my day ... and you are even older than I
The ratio of gross income to accrued debt is a common ratio to use to assess repayment ability, as should be known to anyone who has applied for a home loan. Why would such a ratio not be useful to similarly evaluate whether the nation is over-extended and should no longer incur additional debt (hint: it is not - and it can)
Now, whether we should add debt during good financial times is another question
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Since you are obviously so familiar with me and I am wrong, tell me the relevance of Debt to GDP ratio in a Private Sector US Economy? Quite a bit of difference between this issue with gov't vs. private sector businesses. You don't seem to grasp the reality that we have a private sector economy and our GDP doesn't secure the current debt as Consumer spending is the major component of GDP and the U.S. debt is all based upon the budget spending and revenue, not GDP.

Adding debt is going to happen until Congress is controlled by term limits, in the meantime Congress is going to use spending as a way to maintain dependence and their jobs. As that continues and they refuse to cut spending why are you against allowing people to keep more of what they earn?

Exactly what relevance is there between GDP and debt in our country? Retiring the debt has almost zero relevance to the debt as the U.S. can always run a deficit, can print or borrow money.
 
SmartCat said:
The assertion I highlighted needs to be documented. I have documented the fact that under Reagan the top tax rate declined from 70% to 28%.
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Irrelevant. My comment was a rebuttal to your comment about the tax INCREASES, not the decreases. Go back and read your own post.
 
jonny5 said:
Yorue talking about something else entirely. I was responding to your claim that "The taxes that Reagan raised were not progressive. In other words, the rich paid less; the middle class paid more."

The tax raises were not increases in income tax rates. The tax raise were an increase in the payroll tax rate, which is a flat tax, and elimination of deductions which are almost entirely used by wealthier people. So the rich paid more, and everyone else paid a little less more.
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Social Security has an income tax cap. The overwhelming majority of income for wealthy people is exempt from FICA taxation.
 
jonny5 said:
Irrelevant. My comment was a rebuttal to your comment about the tax INCREASES, not the decreases. Go back and read your own post.
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The maximum amount you can be taxed for social security in 2019 is nearly $8k ($7960 to be exact). If you make $1 million in 2019, you'll only pay $8k in social security taxes. If you make $10 million... yep, $8k. If you make $132k... yep, $8k.
 
Conservative said:
Let's face it, you really don't care about the American people outside your own life as you never address any actual data or facts presented. I spent 35 years in the private sector actually managing people, good and bad people but you can never recognize bad in anything as you spend too much time reading books and not dealing with people

There are consequences for poor choices, GOOD AND BAD, but you never recognize that. You also never recognize the role of the state and local gov't in handling social issue believing what the Democrats tell you. We have a 22 trillion dollar debt that wasn't created only by Republicans no matter what the left tells you. Why hasn't all that spending in the name of compassion reduced dependence, solved a problem and reduced the debt?

There is no intent on the part of Congress to ever reduce spending because that is their power and that is how they buy votes. The left has indoctrinated a lot of people with rhetoric not warranted by those results. Social problems are state and local problems not federal although federal could help by taking less money from the states and let the states handle their own issues

You and others keep posting meaningless statistics that ignore personal responsibility issues and actual reality, Debt to GDP, debt per Capita, debt per President is irrelevant as we have a private sector economy that debt isn't secured by GDP, We have Congress and basic civics which controls the spending and the legislation, and economic performance has a lot to do with the President's attitude and directional focus.

Keep promoting the stock market while ignoring that the stock market is also affected by interest rates, zero and historic lows under Obama and increased four times this past year under Trump. Your biased opinions and book smarts ignores reality and circumstances
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Your insults and cliches do not refute my documented facts.
 
Conservative said:
And you are another example of the failed education system in this country that taught you that people keeping more of what they earn is an expense and causes deficits, no matter that federal revenue increased. You are totally indoctrinated by the left and always buy bureaucrats who benefit from higher taxes and ignore how states and local governments benefit from lower taxes. That never is an issue for people like you and is totally ignored, state and local revenue setting records as is charitable contributions. Yep, keep feeding those bureaucrats assisting them in buying votes and creating that massive liberal utopia.
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The educational system does not need to indoctrinate anyone. When it tells middle class people that they have not benefited from increases in productivity that have happened since the Reagan administration, while the rich are paying lower taxes on bigger incomes it tells them what they already know.
 
Conservative said:
I am waiting for you and any other radical to explain why debt to GDP is even relevant in a private sector economy since GDP doesn't secure the debt?

Anyone who spouts opinions like yours doesn't have any credibility when it comes to determining respect for others. Do we pay debt service on the dollars or the percentage of GDP?

Fair minded people are never called liberal or slightly liberal and understand the deficit and the debt, you are a full fledged liberal who doesn't understand either.
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Fair minded people are still noticing the character and intellectual differences between us. :2razz:
 
Conservative said:
Since you are obviously so familiar with me and I am wrong, tell me the relevance of Debt to GDP ratio in a Private Sector US Economy? Quite a bit of difference between this issue with gov't vs. private sector businesses. You don't seem to grasp the reality that we have a private sector economy and our GDP doesn't secure the current debt as Consumer spending is the major component of GDP and the U.S. debt is all based upon the budget spending and revenue, not GDP.

Adding debt is going to happen until Congress is controlled by term limits, in the meantime Congress is going to use spending as a way to maintain dependence and their jobs. As that continues and they refuse to cut spending why are you against allowing people to keep more of what they earn?

Exactly what relevance is there between GDP and debt in our country? Retiring the debt has almost zero relevance to the debt as the U.S. can always run a deficit, can print or borrow money.
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Did you get your MBA from Trump University?

The national debt will continue to grow until the rich pay the high taxes most Americans want them to pay.
 
jonny5 said:
Irrelevant. My comment was a rebuttal to your comment about the tax INCREASES, not the decreases. Go back and read your own post.
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Income tax receipts increased more under Carter than under Reagan. The national debt of course increased much less.
 
SmartCat said:
Income tax receipts increased more under Carter than under Reagan. The national debt of course increased much less.
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Both averaged about 18% of GDP collected. But under Carter we spent a little less. Notice a pattern?
 
Conservative said:
I find it interesting that your double standard is ignored, Trump has had one budget year, not two and as of yet there hasn't been a Trump trillion dollar deficit yet you claim he has had two. Not sure where you get your information because you never post actual Treasury data showing the deficit or the cause of that deficit.

Saying the same thing over and over again about a budget that never existed for 2009 until Obama signed it doesn't make it true but does show you as a partisan liberal who is typical and doesn't understand data or the Budget Process. You also have no idea what a Continuing resolution is and want to blame Trump for the entire 2009 deficit when Obama had 6 months of spending and did so totally recycling TARP repayments which were a Bush expense until repaid in 2009 yet never credited to the deficit.

You also want to ignore the stimulus that you claim brought us out of recession yet with no spending according to you how did that happen?

Did Bush sign that stimulus,

Bush bail out the Teachers and auto unions,

did Bush spend more on TARP than the 350 billion reported,

did Bush take over GM, bail out AIG, create an Afghanistan supplemental of 100 billion in July 2009?

Did Trump raise interest rates 7 times since taking office driving up interest expense on the debt inherited?

Your very selective and partisan memory shows nothing but your ignorance of reality as history will show Obama adding 9.3 trillion to the debt. No matter how many times you make the same statement over and over again, it will never be true and the Obama Administration will still hold the record for adding the most debt in U.S. History and having the worst recovery from a major recession in modern history. That is failure and support for that failure doesn't give you any credibility
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Thanks again for showing us you have NO idea what you are talking about
Trump submitted the 2018 Budget in March 2017 and the 2019 budget in Feb. 2018 and the 2020 budget in March 2019
he has been working under TWO of his budgets and has proposed his third
That is the way the Constitution set it up
The fiscal year 2018 federal budget outlines U.S. government revenue and spending from October 1, 2017, through September 30, 2018.

It was the first budget proposed by newly-elected President Donald Trump, submitted to the 115th Congress on March 16, 2017.[2][3] ( 2018 Budget )

William Cummings, USA TODAY Published 6:13 p.m. ET Feb. 13, 2018 | Updated 6:20 p.m. ET Feb. 13, 2018
President Trump submitted his 2019 budget proposal to Congress Monday.
( 2019 Budget )

he White House is expected to begin releasing the president’s fiscal year 2020 budget proposal on March 11, about a month later than usual due to the partial government shutdown.
( 2020 budget )

So I guess you don't know how to count to three.

and I have never said that Trump has had any Trillion dollar deficits He has put over 2 Trillion on the debt already
and again if we take it from the day he took office like you keep wanting to do for Obama the debt was 01/20/2017 19,947,304,555,212.47 and on March 22 of 2019 it was 03/22/2019 22,028,518,927,886.87 an increase of 2,081,214,367,669.38 Trillion dollars
Trumps deficit for 2018 was 873 Billion 2019 was 984 Billion and his proposed 2020 budget 987 Billion ( and probably will go up )
have a nice afternoon
 
Conservative said:
I find it interesting that your double standard is ignored, Trump has had one budget year, not two and as of yet there hasn't been a Trump trillion dollar deficit yet you claim he has had two. Not sure where you get your information because you never post actual Treasury data showing the deficit or the cause of that deficit.

Saying the same thing over and over again about a budget that never existed for 2009 until Obama signed it doesn't make it true but does show you as a partisan liberal who is typical and doesn't understand data or the Budget Process. You also have no idea what a Continuing resolution is and want to blame Trump for the entire 2009 deficit when Obama had 6 months of spending and did so totally recycling TARP repayments which were a Bush expense until repaid in 2009 yet never credited to the deficit.

You also want to ignore the stimulus that you claim brought us out of recession yet with no spending according to you how did that happen?

Did Bush sign that stimulus,

Bush bail out the Teachers and auto unions,

did Bush spend more on TARP than the 350 billion reported,

did Bush take over GM, bail out AIG, create an Afghanistan supplemental of 100 billion in July 2009?

Did Trump raise interest rates 7 times since taking office driving up interest expense on the debt inherited?

Your very selective and partisan memory shows nothing but your ignorance of reality as history will show Obama adding 9.3 trillion to the debt. No matter how many times you make the same statement over and over again, it will never be true and the Obama Administration will still hold the record for adding the most debt in U.S. History and having the worst recovery from a major recession in modern history. That is failure and support for that failure doesn't give you any credibility
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and as for this LIE of yours "Not sure where you get your information because you never post actual Treasury data showing the deficit or the cause of that deficit.
I have many times and I also post the US Treasury website showing the debt increases under Obama and Trump.
have a nice day
 
SmartCat said:
Fair minded people are still noticing the character and intellectual differences between us. :2razz:
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And I have noticed that it is truly a waste of time dealing with many here in this forum who are unwilling to admit they are wrong and can never change their mind. Results matter not your perception, rumors, speculation, predictions!

I have told you over and over again how much I dislike Trump but I love America First and the results being generated have validated my support for him

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SmartCat said:
Did you get your MBA from Trump University?

The national debt will continue to grow until the rich pay the high taxes most Americans want them to pay.
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LOL, so the answer to all the problems facing this country is the top 1% paying how much in federal income taxes? How come I can never get an answer to how much of one's personal income should go to federal, state, and local taxes?

You people are truly clueless as that won't make a bit of difference in the deficit by raising the taxes even if you took it all from the rich

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Tbird19482 said:
and as for this LIE of yours "Not sure where you get your information because you never post actual Treasury data showing the deficit or the cause of that deficit.
I have many times and I also post the US Treasury website showing the debt increases under Obama and Trump.
have a nice day
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You continue to prove that you are a waste of time and totally clueless as to the difference between a submitted budget and an approved budget. As for the cause of the deficit most of us know that the deficit increased 17% and know that 4 interest rate hikes affected debt service but the 2018 final numbers should be in within the next few weeks, but here is 2017 comparisons, Obama submitted, Trump submitted, and enacted. Look up the definition of enacted so you stop making a fool of yourself
 
Mycroft said:
It won't be.

1. The Dems will use funding bills as weapons...again.

2. They are too busy campaigning for the 2020 election...on the taxpayer's dime.
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And Trump isn’t? He started campaigning soon after he was elected for 2020.
 
Carleen said:
And Trump isn’t? He started campaigning soon after he was elected for 2020.
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Tell you what...wait for me to talk about Trump before you start talking about Trump. When I'm talking about the Dems, you should talk about the Dems.

That way we can be talking about the same thing. Makes a conversation move along better, don't you think?
 
Conservative said:
You continue to prove that you are a waste of time and totally clueless as to the difference between a submitted budget and an approved budget. As for the cause of the deficit most of us know that the deficit increased 17% and know that 4 interest rate hikes affected debt service but the 2018 final numbers should be in within the next few weeks, but here is 2017 comparisons, Obama submitted, Trump submitted, and enacted. Look up the definition of enacted so you stop making a fool of yourself
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Deficits go on the debt and Trump has run up the debt ( using CR's ) MORE in ONE year then Obama did in 5 of the 8 years he was in office and he is on his way to doing it again this fiscal year.
Obama's worst year was his FIRST year in office and he was dealing with the worst Recession EVER so why has Trump run the debt up almost as much in an economy that is in better shape then Obama's first fiscal year.
Again as per the Constitution the Incoming President does not take over the budget/ debt till Oct 1 of the year he takes office and on Oct 1 of 2009 till Oct 1 2010 Obama ran the debt up ( here is the US Treasury web site AGAIN https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=10&startDay=01&startYear=2007&endMonth=10&endDay=01&endYear=2008}
on Oct 1 of 2009 the debt was 11,920,519,164,319.42 and on Oct 1 of 2010 it was 13,610,847,585,810.09 that is 1,690,328,421,490.67 in his first year dealing with the worst recession EVER
and Trump has run it up 1,362,048,367,492.77 in his first Fiscal year ( and that is in what he called a GREAT Economy )
The ONLY years Obama ran it up MORE was his first year in office ( dealing with the Great Recession ) and his 7th year in office when he ran it up 1,422 Trillion dollars and Obama's 7th year was NOT that much more then Trumps first fiscal year.
2019's fiscal year will not be over till Oct 1 2019 and the debt has already gone up 421,050,159,978.96 ( all in 5 months and MORE then Obama's 6th Fiscal year TOTAL. ))
Now IF Trump keeps going like this he will have another Fiscal year where he runs up the debt MORE then Obama did in 6 out of the 8 years he was in office
Didn't Trump say he was going to bring down the deficit and debt?
all he has done is run it up MORE then Obama did in 6 out of the 8 years he was in office
Obama did have 3 years with the debt going up Less then 880 Billion dollars so far Trump hasn't come near them
in Obama's 6th fiscal year he had a debt of 326.5 BILLION dollars ( 326.5 BILLION DOLLARS )
and so far Trumps debt has gone up 1.36 Trillion dollars in his first fiscal year over 4 TIMES Obama's lowest fiscal year and up MORE in the first 5 months of his 2nd Fiscal year then Obama's 6th fiscal year. TOTAL)
and can you even imagine what it would have been IF Trump had to deal with a Recession as bad as the one Obama had to deal with
YES FACT is Trump has a first fiscal year debt HIGHER then 5 out of the 8 years that Obama was in office
have a nice evening
 
Mycroft said:
Tell you what...wait for me to talk about Trump before you start talking about Trump. When I'm talking about the Dems, you should talk about the Dems.

That way we can be talking about the same thing. Makes a conversation move along better, don't you think?
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Okay, here you go. Yes Dems and Reps area campaigning on the taxpayers dime. That’s politics.
 
Tbird19482 said:
Deficits go on the debt and Trump has run up the debt ( using CR's ) MORE in ONE year then Obama did in 5 of the 8 years he was in office and he is on his way to doing it again this fiscal year.
Obama's worst year was his FIRST year in office and he was dealing with the worst Recession EVER so why has Trump run the debt up almost as much in an economy that is in better shape then Obama's first fiscal year.
Again as per the Constitution the Incoming President does not take over the budget/ debt till Oct 1 of the year he takes office and on Oct 1 of 2009 till Oct 1 2010 Obama ran the debt up ( here is the US Treasury web site AGAIN https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=10&startDay=01&startYear=2007&endMonth=10&endDay=01&endYear=2008}
on Oct 1 of 2009 the debt was 11,920,519,164,319.42 and on Oct 1 of 2010 it was 13,610,847,585,810.09 that is 1,690,328,421,490.67 in his first year dealing with the worst recession EVER
and Trump has run it up 1,362,048,367,492.77 in his first Fiscal year ( and that is in what he called a GREAT Economy )
The ONLY years Obama ran it up MORE was his first year in office ( dealing with the Great Recession ) and his 7th year in office when he ran it up 1,422 Trillion dollars and Obama's 7th year was NOT that much more then Trumps first fiscal year.
2019's fiscal year will not be over till Oct 1 2019 and the debt has already gone up 421,050,159,978.96 ( all in 5 months and MORE then Obama's 6th Fiscal year TOTAL. ))
Now IF Trump keeps going like this he will have another Fiscal year where he runs up the debt MORE then Obama did in 6 out of the 8 years he was in office
Didn't Trump say he was going to bring down the deficit and debt?
all he has done is run it up MORE then Obama did in 6 out of the 8 years he was in office
Obama did have 3 years with the debt going up Less then 880 Billion dollars so far Trump hasn't come near them
in Obama's 6th fiscal year he had a debt of 326.5 BILLION dollars ( 326.5 BILLION DOLLARS )
and so far Trumps debt has gone up 1.36 Trillion dollars in his first fiscal year over 4 TIMES Obama's lowest fiscal year and up MORE in the first 5 months of his 2nd Fiscal year then Obama's 6th fiscal year. TOTAL)
and can you even imagine what it would have been IF Trump had to deal with a Recession as bad as the one Obama had to deal with
YES FACT is Trump has a first fiscal year debt HIGHER then 5 out of the 8 years that Obama was in office
have a nice evening
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It is an absolute waste of time dealing with you and I don't know whether it is old age or what but your understanding of the budget process and the difference between a submitted budget and an approved budget is absolutely representative of the ignorance of the left-wing in the Democratic party today. You have a good life because I don't really have time for you anymore

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Conservative said:
It is an absolute waste of time dealing with you and I don't know whether it is old age or what but your understanding of the budget process and the difference between a submitted budget and an approved budget is absolutely representative of the ignorance of the left-wing in the Democratic party today. You have a good life because I don't really have time for you anymore

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So all the CR's Trump has signed don't add to the deficit or the debt?
IT is a FACT The debt went UP MORE in Trumps first fiscal year then it did in at least 5 of the 8 years Obama was in office
and as YOU and Trump said it was a good economy
IT was a BAD economy when Obama was in office and a good economy when Trump was in yet the debt went up MORE then it did in 5/6 of the Years Obama was in
I see you can't answer the question does the deficit go on the debt or not?
it does and it is you who needs to go back and learn how Budgets and CR's work and if they add to the debt or not
the Deficit does matter because it adds to the debt
Have a nice night
 
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