Virgil Jones
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It seems a godawful mess. I don't think the party of the poor could ever pay its dues. What do you think?
It seems a godawful mess. I don't think the party of the poor could ever pay its dues. What do you think?
The only way that I would support reparations is if each individual could prove that an ancestor was a slave and that their ancestor being a slave has directly impacted their current lifestyle. No one alive today has experienced slavery or perpetrated the slavery of the old days. There are plenty of rich and middle class black folks that managed to bring themselves up from poverty. Every single one of them worked their asses off to do it, and they have proven that it can be done and the "evil white man is not able to stop them from doing so".
It's a juicy topic for candidates to push but it will never happen.
What does need to happen however, is FULL restoration of the Voting Rights Act.
There's much more, but that is where to start.
Reparations is a pipe dream. Social justice and continued support for remedial legislation aimed at correcting historic political injustice on the other hand, is upon us and it will be restored.
Full restoration of the voting rights act? Everyone has the same Right to Vote.
Reparations cannot be merely cash because that does not always translate into social power. What we want, as a society seeking justice, is proportional power representation. That is achieved by helping those previously disenfranchised to get a leg up, but cash alone cannot achieve that goal. Thus, we have Affirmative Action. Educational and employment opportunities are another means of achieving a socially just power distribution (that being, proportional).
We need to talk education, jobs, housing, justice system. Cash is flash in the pan. We need social infrastructure, social and human capital in the form of everything that constitutes power. Cash doesn't fix all that.
How about this:
There were many black families who were provably denied benefits that were open to White Americans. Most notably, the GI Bill. I think any black American who can show they had a grandfather or grandmother (or great-grandfather/great grandmother) who served during World War II and would have qualified for the GI Bill but was denied should be granted those same benefits for purposes of college enrollment, they will essentially inherit their grandfather's GI Bill Benefits in full. So long as they meet all other qualifications, I think that is one of the best routes forward. I would call it the G.I. Inheritance Bill.
How about this, ecofarm:
There were many black families who were provably denied benefits that were open to White Americans. Most notably and infamously, the GI Bill. I think any black American who can show they had a grandfather or grandmother (or great-grandfather/great grandmother) who served during World War II and would have qualified for the GI Bill but was denied being able to exercise their ability to access those benefits should be granted those same benefits for purposes of college enrollment. That way, the descendants of African American World War II veterans will essentially inherit their grandfather's GI Bill Benefits in full. So long as they meet all other qualifications, I think that is one of the best routes forward. I would call it the G.I. Inheritance Bill.
I think that's a reasonable step towards achieving proportional power representation. We needn't be random about social justice, we just need to see unfairness in the past and even the present has adversely affected minorities and proportional representation is natural and best for society.
I'm sure you agree that minorities are not lacking proportional power representation as a result of inferiority.
I'm not saying equal outcome for individuals, but equal outcome for groups makes sense. If we don't have equal outcome for groups, then something is not right with society because we know groups are of equivalent fundamental capability. Now, individual outcomes... that could be anything and members of every group will find the bottom and top of society.
Certainly not. Black people are by no means inherently inferior to anyone else. They have simply been the group most consistently and unjustly treated during our history.
I agree. From the beginning, on an individual level, the Federal, State and Local governments of the United States colluded and connived to push black Americans out of the halls of power. Through personal sacrifice, hard work, grit and determination, many black Americans still managed to climb the rungs of economic success. However, they were not given much in the way of helping hands, certainly not from the government. Indeed, many of the welfare benefits that were provided to black families started containing perverse incentives which helped erode the key means of individual economic success and the growth of intergenerational wealth: the united two-parent nuclear family.
It is by no means a coincidence that black Americans are at the utter nadir of earning power and wealth accumulation within the United States compared to other ethnic groups, when only 38% of black children grow up in two-parent homes. The economic, emotional and psychological pressure put on single parents which is in turn placed on children is exponentially greater than those put on two-parent families. That is not to say that two-parent households are all sunshine and rainbows. Just that they are better able to weather the storms, make financial plans and accumulate wealth far better than a single parent household can. Presently, one of the best indicators for determining whether a child will be damned to a life of intergenerational poverty is the single-parent household.
So, in my extremely conservative opinion, the only way to ameliorate long-term poverty, indignity and immiseration of black communities and to make sure that black Americans of the future are able to walk down the road to success un-hobbled starts with two core pillars. The first: access to higher education, through a massive education initiative like the one I previously suggested. The second, and even more important: creating an incentive structure aimed at reconstituting and encouraging the creation of two-parent households within black communities. This is a generational issue, keep in mind. And it cannot simply be through government incentives or flashing cash at people hoping they get married. But if it is tackled in a social manner, and if a sizable majority of black families were once again headed by two parents, I think we would see a proportional increase in wealth accumulation in the black community and a commensurate drop in crime and poverty. That is my two cents.
So, in my extremely conservative opinion, the only way to ameliorate long-term poverty, indignity and immiseration of black communities and to make sure that black Americans of the future are able to walk down the road to success un-hobbled starts with two core pillars. The first: access to higher education, through a massive education initiative like the one I previously suggested. The second, and even more important: creating an incentive structure aimed at reconstituting and encouraging the creation of two-parent households within black communities. This is a generational issue, keep in mind. And it cannot simply be through government incentives or flashing cash at people hoping they get married. But if it is tackled in a social manner, and if a sizable majority of black families were once again headed by two parents, I think we would see a proportional increase in wealth accumulation in the black community and a commensurate drop in crime and poverty. That is my two cents.
I think that's a reasonable step towards achieving proportional power representation. We needn't be random about social justice, we just need to see unfairness in the past and even the present has adversely affected minorities and proportional representation is natural and best for society.
I'm sure you agree that minorities are not lacking proportional power representation as a result of inferiority.
I'm not saying equal outcome for individuals, but equal outcome for groups makes sense. If we don't have equal outcome for groups, then something is not right with society because we know groups are of equivalent fundamental capability. Now, individual outcomes... that could be anything and members of every group will find the bottom and top of society.
I am going to assume that you know what the Voting Rights Act was and what it did.
If anybody who ever got welfare at any time since slavery stopped they should have to pay it back out of those reparationsDon't we already pay "reparations"? It's called the social safety net.