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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, if Trump didn't do it, it doesn't count. I figured as much.
    Trump has been in office two years and the only thing you see is a 17% increase in the deficit which had absolutely nothing to do with Trump policies or spending as he cut what he controlled and generated enough money to pay for his increased spending just no enough to offset interest rate hikes and entitlement spending increases. Congress refuses to return power to the states and Trump takes the blame. What a good little liberal you are

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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Trump has been in office two years and the only thing you see is a 17% increase in the deficit which had absolutely nothing to do with Trump policies or spending as he cut what he controlled and generated enough money to pay for his increased spending just no enough to offset interest rate hikes and entitlement spending increases. Congress refuses to return power to the states and Trump takes the blame. What a good little liberal you are
    I thought we were discussing Obama's tax cuts. How come you suddenly want to change the subject?


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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I thought we were discussing Obama's tax cuts. How come you suddenly want to change the subject?
    Cannot discuss what didn't happen, those so called tax cuts required specific action in order to create any benefit and people without money received no benefits

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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Cannot discuss what didn't happen, those so called tax cuts required specific action in order to create any benefit and people without money received no benefits
    I already showed you that it did happen.

    Now, how did "people without money" receive benefits from Trump's tax cuts?


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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I already showed you that it did happen.

    Now, how did "people without money" receive benefits from Trump's tax cuts?
    people that pay taxes are benefiting with each paycheck, maybe you ought to go back to work and see what your withholding is

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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    people that pay taxes are benefiting with each paycheck, maybe you ought to go back to work and see what your withholding is

    Oh, I paid less in taxes for 2018 than for 2017, so yes, I personally benefitted. That's not the issue. What you're trying to argue is that the tax cuts that were part of the economic stimulus under Obama don't count because they didn't benefit people with no money. Your words:


    Cannot discuss what didn't happen, those so called tax cuts required specific action in order to create any benefit and people without money received no benefits


    People without money got no benefits from Trump's tax cuts either. People with no money simply don't benefit from tax cuts of any sort.

    Not even when the tax cuts were passed by a Democratic Congress and signed into law by a Democratic President, as were the cuts that were a part of Obama's stimulus plan that lifted us out of the recession.


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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I paid less in taxes for 2018 than for 2017, so yes, I personally benefitted. That's not the issue. What you're trying to argue is that the tax cuts that were part of the economic stimulus under Obama don't count because they didn't benefit people with no money. Your words:






    People without money got no benefits from Trump's tax cuts either. People with no money simply don't benefit from tax cuts of any sort.

    Not even when the tax cuts were passed by a Democratic Congress and signed into law by a Democratic President, as were the cuts that were a part of Obama's stimulus plan that lifted us out of the recession.
    I don't see any reason to continue this, have a good one

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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't see any reason to continue this, have a good one
    It would be best for you to cease making hypocrisy look worse than it already does.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I paid less in taxes for 2018 than for 2017, so yes, I personally benefitted. That's not the issue. What you're trying to argue is that the tax cuts that were part of the economic stimulus under Obama don't count because they didn't benefit people with no money. Your words:






    People without money got no benefits from Trump's tax cuts either. People with no money simply don't benefit from tax cuts of any sort.

    Not even when the tax cuts were passed by a Democratic Congress and signed into law by a Democratic President, as were the cuts that were a part of Obama's stimulus plan that lifted us out of the recession.
    Seems that that the approximately 50% of income earners not paying any Federal Income taxes are indeed benefiting so why isn't that ever addressed by you and the rest of the pro big gov't liberals? Please explain why you support giving more tax dollars to the bureaucrats that helped create the 22 trillion dollar debt without assurances that they will reduce spending?

    In the absence of spending cuts, tax revenue growth to the state and local gov'ts as a result of more consumer spending benefits the coffers of the state and allow those states to take on their social responsibilities to the citizens and relieve the federal bureaucrats from that responsibility. Notice the radical left going ballistic over the Trump budget cuts of social programs showing that these people just like you don't know the role of the federal, state, and local governments

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    Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Seems that that the approximately 50% of income earners not paying any Federal Income taxes are indeed benefiting so why isn't that ever addressed by you and the rest of the pro big gov't liberals? Please explain why you support giving more tax dollars to the bureaucrats that helped create the 22 trillion dollar debt without assurances that they will reduce spending?

    In the absence of spending cuts, tax revenue growth to the state and local gov'ts as a result of more consumer spending benefits the coffers of the state and allow those states to take on their social responsibilities to the citizens and relieve the federal bureaucrats from that responsibility. Notice the radical left going ballistic over the Trump budget cuts of social programs showing that these people just like you don't know the role of the federal, state, and local governments
    I thought you were done with this discussion?

    How do the 50% not paying federal income taxes at all benefit from the rest of us getting a tax cut?

    Never did I say I wanted to give more tax dollars to the bureaucrats that helped create the 22 trillion dollar debt. Quite the opposite. I said that tax cuts without spending cuts would result in bigger debt.

    Sounds like you don't want to cut back government, but shift big government from the feds to the states. How would that help anyone?


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