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Nationl Debt Tops $22 Trillion

Conservative said:
Hardly true, but 7 interest rate hikes certainly affected the deficits

Interesting how it is acknowledged that Congress is going to continue to spend money so that being the case why would anyone take money away from the taxpayers to send them more money to spend? At least taxpayers are now keeping more of what they earn generating crying ass liberals who want higher taxes and more to spend
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I'm not sure what "crying ass liberals" want, but it seems to me that at least a lower deficit, if not a balanced budget, would be a good thing. The real conservatives would support a balanced budget, but then, real conservatives are in extremely short supply in Washington. Tax cuts are popular, and why not? Like you said, who doesn't want to keep more of their own money? Spending cuts, on the other hand, are pretty unpopular, and unlikely to be passed. Therefor, the likelihood is that the national debt will continue to increase, and eventually will result in the worst tax of all, inflation.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I'm not sure what "crying ass liberals" want, but it seems to me that at least a lower deficit, if not a balanced budget, would be a good thing. The real conservatives would support a balanced budget, but then, real conservatives are in extremely short supply in Washington. Tax cuts are popular, and why not? Like you said, who doesn't want to keep more of their own money? Spending cuts, on the other hand, are pretty unpopular, and unlikely to be passed. Therefor, the likelihood is that the national debt will continue to increase, and eventually will result in the worst tax of all, inflation.
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Well then with Democrats in control of the House I am sure spending cuts will be forthcoming

You don't seem to grasp reality, I support the American taxpayers keeping more of what they earn and since the bureaucrats in D.C. don't want to stop spending I have no problem with the tax cuts allowing people to keep more of what they earn. Your belief that Congress will stop spending with higher taxes is a pipe dream. No guarantee no tax increases
 
Conservative said:
Well then with Democrats in control of the House I am sure spending cuts will be forthcoming

You don't seem to grasp reality, I support the American taxpayers keeping more of what they earn and since the bureaucrats in D.C. don't want to stop spending I have no problem with the tax cuts allowing people to keep more of what they earn. Your belief that Congress will stop spending with higher taxes is a pipe dream. No guarantee no tax increases
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Never did I say that Congress would stop spending with higher taxes.

How about, no guarantee of decreased spending, no tax cuts? That seems to work as well.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Never did I say that Congress would stop spending with higher taxes.

How about, no guarantee of decreased spending, no tax cuts? That seems to work as well.
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A true conservative understands the value of people keeping more of what they earn and how that stimulates economic activity. We don't need a 4.4 trillion dollar budget and until that is addressed no tax increases and allow the people to keep more of what they earn. Too many people have no understanding as to the role of the federal, state, and local governments with total emphasis on federal revenue never state and local revenue, why is that?
 
Conservative said:
A true conservative understands the value of people keeping more of what they earn and how that stimulates economic activity. We don't need a 4.4 trillion dollar budget and until that is addressed no tax increases and allow the people to keep more of what they earn. Too many people have no understanding as to the role of the federal, state, and local governments with total emphasis on federal revenue never state and local revenue, why is that?
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True conservatives are extinct in Washington. Sure, it's good for people to keep more of what they earn. The problem is, since there are no conservatives in Washington, the government just keeps spending, then blaming the deficit on whichever party is in power.

That's because it's all about popularity, and spending cuts are not popular except with the party that is not currently in power.
 
Dittohead not! said:
True conservatives are extinct in Washington. Sure, it's good for people to keep more of what they earn. The problem is, since there are no conservatives in Washington, the government just keeps spending, then blaming the deficit on whichever party is in power.

That's because it's all about popularity, and spending cuts are not popular except with the party that is not currently in power.
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All that is fine a good, it makes for a wonderful sermon but the details kind of get in the way. Conservatives love to talk about spending as if there are humongous amounts of waste in government that will magically balance the budget without hurting anyone. Well as I have done for decades when conservatives suddenly become fiscally responsible every decade or so, I ask for details. The budget is on line. Tell us where all the massive whacking is going to take place. Hint, you will need to whack at least 800 billion this year alone. Go ahead fiscal conservative genius's, tell us where the cuts come from department by department.
 
Vadinho said:
All that is fine a good, it makes for a wonderful sermon but the details kind of get in the way. Conservatives love to talk about spending as if there are humongous amounts of waste in government that will magically balance the budget without hurting anyone. Well as I have done for decades when conservatives suddenly become fiscally responsible every decade or so, I ask for details. The budget is on line. Tell us where all the massive whacking is going to take place. Hint, you will need to whack at least 800 billion this year alone. Go ahead fiscal conservative genius's, tell us where the cuts come from department by department.
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For starts, we could cut back to, say for example, twice as much as the #2 spending country spends on the military. Then, we could refrain from starting any more wars.
 
Dittohead not! said:
For starts, we could cut back to, say for example, twice as much as the #2 spending country spends on the military. Then, we could refrain from starting any more wars.
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I agree but then remember when we had the peace dividend when the USSR fell? Clinton dropped the budget, Gore closed a ton of bases and the Republicans screamed bloody murder that our military was decimated.
 
Vadinho said:
I agree but then remember when we had the peace dividend when the USSR fell? Clinton dropped the budget, Gore closed a ton of bases and the Republicans screamed bloody murder that our military was decimated.
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I was a Republican when the USSR fell.. I was 100% sure that after it fell we would cut our military spending by at least 1/2... I believed the GOP was the fiscal conservative party, I was hopeful.

Boy was I wrong. The Republicans weren't fiscal conservatives then, or now.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I was a Republican when the USSR fell.. I was 100% sure that after it fell we would cut our military spending by at least 1/2... I believed the GOP was the fiscal conservative party, I was hopeful.

Boy was I wrong. The Republicans weren't fiscal conservatives then, or now.
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You bet. All that happened was that we had to find a new potential enemy even though most if not all our military was focused on a nuclear war or a tank invasion of Europe. The day after, all those Generals and all those bases and companies that fueled the industry knew they had to do something or they were out of business. So they searched around for a new enemy. 9-11 gave them that new enemy. Soon it will be China and then when that never happens, they will fear India or Nigeria or space aliens. It never ends because war is profitable, it gives us meaning, it feeds local economies, it gives some people purpose, honor and courage. We are a warring nation, no amount of spin will ever rid us of that fact.
 
Vadinho said:
I agree but then remember when we had the peace dividend when the USSR fell? Clinton dropped the budget, Gore closed a ton of bases and the Republicans screamed bloody murder that our military was decimated.
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Yes, I do remember that.

I also remember Bush II and his costly war against Iraq.

That's the sort of thing that needs to end if we're to cut back expenses of the federal government. If, on the other hand, we want to continue to spend nearly as much as the rest of the world combined on the military, then we need to be willing to pay for it.
 
Vadinho said:
You bet. All that happened was that we had to find a new potential enemy even though most if not all our military was focused on a nuclear war or a tank invasion of Europe. The day after, all those Generals and all those bases and companies that fueled the industry knew they had to do something or they were out of business. So they searched around for a new enemy. 9-11 gave them that new enemy. Soon it will be China and then when that never happens, they will fear India or Nigeria or space aliens. It never ends because war is profitable, it gives us meaning, it feeds local economies, it gives some people purpose, honor and courage. We are a warring nation, no amount of spin will ever rid us of that fact.
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The last great Republican president, Eisenhower warned us about the MIC... He was 100% right.

Funny thing is he was a general, a 5 star general, and was warning us about the MIC.. Kind of ironic I guess.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
The last great Republican president, Eisenhower warned us about the MIC... He was 100% right.

Funny thing is he was a general, a 5 star general, and was warning us about the MIC.. Kind of ironic I guess.
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Eisenhower knew about the MIC from the inside, but he was a patriot and willing to do the right thing for the country.

During his administration, the interstate highway system was built, and we helped to rebuild Europe with the Marshall Plan, while paying down the war debt.

What we need is an administration like that again.
 
Vadinho said:
All that is fine a good, it makes for a wonderful sermon but the details kind of get in the way. Conservatives love to talk about spending as if there are humongous amounts of waste in government that will magically balance the budget without hurting anyone. Well as I have done for decades when conservatives suddenly become fiscally responsible every decade or so, I ask for details. The budget is on line. Tell us where all the massive whacking is going to take place. Hint, you will need to whack at least 800 billion this year alone. Go ahead fiscal conservative genius's, tell us where the cuts come from department by department.
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We found out today -- cutting out $25 million for the Special Olympics. Obviously, there is massive waste and abuse in this program.
 
Vadinho said:
Of course, punch down to save money for the rich...it's the conservative way to happiness and Jesus!
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Except "the rich" pay most of the taxes. Minor detail.
 
Of course they do, they have all the money.
 
MTAtech said:
We found out today -- cutting out $25 million for the Special Olympics. Obviously, there is massive waste and abuse in this program.
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To put that into perspective: 25 million sounds like a lot, and it would be if anyone were to give me that amount out of the goodness of their heart.

But, 25 million divided among 100 million taxpayers is 25 cents each. Dumping the Special Olympics would save us each a quarter.
 
Dittohead not! said:
To put that into perspective: 25 million sounds like a lot, and it would be if anyone were to give me that amount out of the goodness of their heart.

But, 25 million divided among 100 million taxpayers is 25 cents each. Dumping the Special Olympics would save us each a quarter.
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That's my point too. $25 mil is a rounding error on a rounding error for the federal budget. Cutting all of it won't make a hill of beans savings. Moreover, it is a good program that even Republicans defend.
 
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