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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    There is a BIG difference between government aiding industry and government controlling and dictating to it. The government providing grants to aid the production of clean energy alternatives is altogether different from demanding an end to all fossil fuels in ten years. But liberals love being told what to do and how to live. I dont know why, but you do.
    What happens when the government tries to play nice is that whoever stands to lose out just buys enough votes, interference, and/or misinformation to get their way and impede progress.

    When auto companies worked to sink public transportation, was that your idea of "freedom"? When companies choose to increase their profit margins by polluting instead of being responsible, is that your idea of "freedom"?

    You don't have freedom. You just have a different boss, one you didn't even elect, and you don't even realize it.

    Take your libertarian talking points elsewhere. They are not relevant to this thread.
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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnfrmClevelan View Post
    What happens when the government tries to play nice is that whoever stands to lose out just buys enough votes, interference, and/or misinformation to get their way and impede progress.

    When auto companies worked to sink public transportation, was that your idea of "freedom"? When companies choose to increase their profit margins by polluting instead of being responsible, is that your idea of "freedom"?

    You don't have freedom. You just have a different boss, one you didn't even elect, and you don't even realize it.

    Take your libertarian talking points elsewhere. They are not relevant to this thread.
    They are relevant and I will post wherever I like. Control those totalitarian impulses of yours a bit.
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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    Reverse the massive tax cuts on the rich (and make them pay it for a change), reduce unnecessary military spending - especially lengthy foreign occupations; cut other forms of waste, stimulate the economy by raising minimum wage and getting more tax revenue, stop subsidizing dead industries and transfer those resources to up-and-comers instead. Look it's still going to be expensive, but so is running the country as it is. It's simply a matter of changing priorities.
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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    FACT ALERT: The United States actually imports more oil than we export. 33% of which comes from OPEC, by the way. So we are actually quite dependent on foreign oil. You are completely and absolutely wrong.
    Why don't you libs bone up before you speak.

    We are the largest producer of Oil and Natural Gas in the world, YES that is a fact. Thus if we wanted we don't have to buy oil or natural gas from foreign countries but there are many reasons that we would buy oil from foreign countries. One would be to keep our inventories up, if the price range is fairly equal then buy from them to keep our oil in the ground. And by shipping some to other countries could be we're getting a better price that would warrant selling some of our oil.

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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnfrmClevelan View Post
    Thanks for proving my point.
    No problem, glad we came to an understanding you don't have a fricken clue how to pay for these liberal utopian programs that sound great but aren't feasible. typical liberal spending someone else's money

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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    in fantasy land...

    "Overhauling transportation systems" to reduce emissions — including expanding electric car manufacturing, building "charging stations everywhere," and expanding high-speed rail to "a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary";-Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
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    Meanwhile back in the real world
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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Another deflection. One more chance: please point to a specific provision of the Green New Deal you take issue with.
    What part of private sector doing this don't you understand? why is this a federal responsibility? Any provision of the Green new deal isn't a taxpayer responsibility in a private sector economy, wind, solar or water. You don't seem to grasp the concept of our private sector economy

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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    when is AOC's birthday? I have the *perfect * gift...
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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Why don't you libs bone up before you speak.

    We are the largest producer of Oil and Natural Gas in the world, YES that is a fact. Thus if we wanted we don't have to buy oil or natural gas from foreign countries but there are many reasons that we would buy oil from foreign countries. One would be to keep our inventories up, if the price range is fairly equal then buy from them to keep our oil in the ground. And by shipping some to other countries could be we're getting a better price that would warrant selling some of our oil.

    United States remains the world’s top producer of petroleum and natural gas hydrocarbons - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
    Yes, we are the largest producer of oil and natural gas. We are still a net importer of oil though..that TOO is a fact. If we kept all the oil we exported, we would still need to import oil to meet demand.

    To put that in actual numbers for you, the U.S. produced roughly 14.33 million b/d of petroleum in 2017, while total petroleum consumption averaged about 19.96 million b/d.So the claim we do not depend on oil imports is patently false. You are simply wrong about the facts.
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    Re: Financing the Green New Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What part of private sector doing this don't you understand? why is this a federal responsibility? Any provision of the Green new deal isn't a taxpayer responsibility in a private sector economy, wind, solar or water. You don't seem to grasp the concept of our private sector economy
    What part of "specific provision" of the Green New Deal do you not understand?
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