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So, now we know - it was Paul Ryan

Paul Ryan was a feckless and ineffective House leader. He fell into lockstep with Trump after the election but was condemning and critical of him before he won. Paul Ryan cruised to national prominence based on the realization that there was no longer any immediate penalty for a Republican lying constantly, about everything.

It was easy for him to lie constantly when his agenda had no chance of passage. But Ryan kept on lying when trying to sell his replacement for ObamaCare, claiming it would "protect people with pre-existing conditions," while in reality it would do the opposite and snatch coverage from millions.

Ryan did get one big accomplishment done though, a giant deficit-exploding tax cuts for the rich. He'll go down in history as a man who enabled the criminal abuses of Donald Trump, totally abdicating Congress' responsibility to hold the executive branch to account, just so that the wealthiest people in the world could have even more money. It's a fitting legacy for this snaky bastard. Ryan said in his press conference, "I think we have achieved a heck of a lot." That's true and it was all for the benefit of the wealthy.
 
LMAO i said earlier eventually the fact that (enough) republicans didnt support the wall when they had the majority of congress and thats way the wall was built then either that sooner or later there would be a fall guy or some silly claim passing the buck.

Now magically that political theater can take place so many republicans support it because they know it aint happening . . . just another reason the state of politics is messed up

the reality is it didnt have support when republicans had control because as trump lays it out (national emergency and all about illegal immigration and drugs) its a completely retarded idea with no real logical rational support. Nobody has been able to soundly defend it. By itself its a complete waste and nothing but a political game piece.

The wall isnt getting built and thats a good thing......

whats funny is im not even against the idea of a wall or barriers. it just ranks waaaaaaaaaay down on the list if we are talking about addressing illegal immigration and drugs. Focusing on a wall is like putting a band-aid on a skinned knee when you have a bullet hole and a knife in you. A wall doesnt fix the "problem". If i snapped my fingers right now and a 30ft wall appeared coast to coast guess what . . .theres nothign that suggest any real impact would be made on illegal immigration or drug trafficking
 
Bullseye said:
Numerous comments on DP have asked why the GOP didn't seek border wall funding when they had full control of congress. Turns out Trump wanted it in the 2017 Omnibus Spending Bill but Speaker Paul Ryan talked him out of it in favor of increased military spend and promised Trump he'd get the funding through by other means. Of course as soon as he announced he was retiring he had no power to actually do it. Source
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Ok, so Pzul Ryan thought it wasn't a good idea. Was it not an emergency back then?
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO i said earlier eventually the fact that (enough) republicans didnt support the wall when they had the majority of congress and thats way the wall was built then either that sooner or later there would be a fall guy or some silly claim passing the buck.

Now magically that political theater can take place so many republicans support it because they know it aint happening . . . just another reason the state of politics is messed up

the reality is it didnt have support when republicans had control because as trump lays it out (national emergency and all about illegal immigration and drugs) its a completely retarded idea with no real logical rational support. Nobody has been able to soundly defend it. By itself its a complete waste and nothing but a political game piece.

The wall isnt getting built and thats a good thing......

whats funny is im not even against the idea of a wall or barriers. it just ranks waaaaaaaaaay down on the list if we are talking about addressing illegal immigration and drugs. Focusing on a wall is like putting a band-aid on a skinned knee when you have a bullet hole and a knife in you. A wall doesnt fix the "problem". If i snapped my fingers right now and a 30ft wall appeared coast to coast guess what . . .theres nothign that suggest any real impact would be made on illegal immigration or drug trafficking
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That's about my thought. I don't think a wall is "immoral" I think it's a colossal waste of money. There are a lot of things more effective and likely cheaper. But they don't have the theater value of a wall.
 
rocket88 said:
That's about my thought. I don't think a wall is "immoral" I think it's a colossal waste of money. There are a lot of things more effective and likely cheaper. But they don't have the theater value of a wall.
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exactly... if the majority of immigrants and drugs come other ways then secret southern border passage why focus on the wall . . it beyond stupid.
 
JMR said:
Care to explain this? Because Trump did indeed have the House and the Senate for his first two years.
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sigh...

I'll ask you a question that might lead you to use your own thinking ability:

What did Schumer say to Trump the day Trump pissed off Chuck and Nancy? You know...when they came to the WH and found a crowd of media cameras watching while they talked to the President? What did Schumer say about wall money passing the Senate?

After you go look that up, think about whether Trump "had the full Congress for the last two years".
 
AlbqOwl said:
I can write it because it is true. I can defend it with reason, logic, honest statistics, and testimony of those who are actually at the border trying to keep order, enforce our laws, and protect America and Americans.

Those who oppose the fence/wall write things like you just wrote. And if you had to defend your opposition to a physical barrier, you absolutely could not do it with logic, reason, or any kind of intellectually honest data or testimony.
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Wow.

God Bless you.
 
Bullseye said:
Numerous comments on DP have asked why the GOP didn't seek border wall funding when they had full control of congress. Turns out Trump wanted it in the 2017 Omnibus Spending Bill but Speaker Paul Ryan talked him out of it in favor of increased military spend and promised Trump he'd get the funding through by other means. Of course as soon as he announced he was retiring he had no power to actually do it. Source
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Ryan got to where he was by riding the fence on key issues. people wonder why the republicans did not get more done with control over both houses. Republicans did not have control over republicans who favored swinging deals with their misguided democrat pals in Congress. There is no harmony between light and darkness. Ryan may not have been aware of that to the extent he should have been.
 
vesper said:
I think that is a good idea even if it were just 5 years. I personally would like to see the Chamber of Commerce abolished. They in my opinion through their lobbying have corrupted more politicians than anything else. They offer huge sums of money to politicians in both parties for their votes on certain legislation that often sells out their own constituents.
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Yes, agreed. I remember Obama had, at least initially, a 5 year moratorium on lobbying for those that desired to work in his administration. I'm not sure if that held or was successful. But I'd like to see it, again.

And you are right about the Chamber of Commerce. I might also add the NRA to that list, too. It's sad that some of the institutions of my childhood, institutions that initially started-out representing the people, have over time become corrupted and in essence are lobbying arms for big-business or specialty product manufacturers.

And don't even get me going on Citzens Untited and dark money ...
 
vesper said:
I pretty much agree with your comments. You know term limits would eliminate much of this behavior. The people you elect would be more interested in getting done what they promised their constituents than becoming spineless to insure their coffers get filled by special interest groups for their next election.
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There are many pitfalls to term limits. People criticize politicians for basically being on the take from lobbyists, etc now BUT I was a retail manager for many moons and when you hire on a bunch of temp help for the 4th quarter it is pretty much a guarantee that a fair percentage of them will use their temporary positions for theft. When you know you only have a job for a finite amount of time, it encourages people to go on the take. Fact is, we need people who are experienced in world affairs and not replace them every 4-6 years with rookies where we have to start experience from square one all over again. And, most all of these people need two homes, one in their home states and one in expensive DC. We have new politicians now who have to shack up and sleep in their offices because they can't afford a second place to live in DC. This seems to beg for trouble all by itself. Term limits is a naive way of thinking you have solved some sort of problem. Sounds great on paper but in reality it may be worse than what we have now.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! How delightfully delusional.

No, what the democrats actually know is that the wall is useless as Trump has proposed it, based on a mnemnotic device created for Donnie on the campaign trail because he's to feeble to remember things.
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LOL! How delightfully delusional. Democrats have voted for and constructed many border barriers over many years and you guys never once used your arguments then. Only now that Trump is president and the resistance is in full force.
 
Bullseye said:
Numerous comments on DP have asked why the GOP didn't seek border wall funding when they had full control of congress. Turns out Trump wanted it in the 2017 Omnibus Spending Bill but Speaker Paul Ryan talked him out of it in favor of increased military spend and promised Trump he'd get the funding through by other means. Of course as soon as he announced he was retiring he had no power to actually do it. Source
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Too bad Fat Donald was such a piss poor deal maker and so lazy for two years in not securing his wall funding.

It is Trump's fault.

He failed to force the issue when he had a lock on D.C..

Show me the Pesos!
 
LouC said:
Too bad Fat Donald was such a piss poor deal maker and so lazy for two years in not securing his wall funding.

It is Trump's fault.

He failed to force the issue when he had a lock on D.C..

Show me the Pesos!
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Great Post! Your insightful diagnosis stuns me. What an amazing intellect.


PS: a one-seat majority in the Senate is hardly a "lock". But you knew that, right?
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL! How delightfully delusional. Democrats have voted for and constructed many border barriers over many years and you guys never once used your arguments then. Only now that Trump is president and the resistance is in full force.
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Which is utterly irrelevant to what Twump wants now. And won't get.
 
A lot of the problems over the last 10-11 years could be laid at Paul Ryan's feet. He was no conservative and definitely no friend to Americans.

Whether it was his obnoxious Ayn Rand-esque manifesto on austerity or it was his rubber stamping and go along to get along with Boehner and Obama....

HE was terrible. We are better off without him. As it relates to the GOP and to the country.
 
If Trump had really been serious he'd have demanded it, pushed for it and not let the GOP delay it.

It's easy to blame Paul Ryan but of course the wall was never his platform or promise: it was Trump's and he had the authority and mandate for a while there to at least try and deliver. He did not. Because the wall [RIP] was just a campaign prop and he took his supporters for a ride.
 
ChezC3 said:
A lot of the problems over the last 10-11 years could be laid at Paul Ryan's feet. He was no conservative and definitely no friend to Americans.

Whether it was his obnoxious Ayn Rand-esque manifesto on austerity or it was his rubber stamping and go along to get along with Boehner and Obama....

HE was terrible. We are better off without him. As it relates to the GOP and to the country.
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Yet you voted for him to be Vice-President....ok...sure....
 
Superfly said:
Regardless of who made the call, Trump had the full Congress for the last two years. He was the ****ing Commander in Chief. He could have made the call. Ryan and the rest of his ass-sniffers would have done whatever he told them to do.
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Uhhh...apparently you don't know what the "****ing Commander in Chief" title denotes. This post is clown shoes.
 
rocket88 said:
So why would there be a national emergency now?
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The world changes, circumstances change. Trump thought Ran would follow through? We didn't have caravans of thousands of refugees coming north, the current system is over-taxed. Just a few thoughts.
 
Bullseye said:
The world changes, circumstances change. Trump thought Ran would follow through? We didn't have caravans of thousands of refugees coming north, the current system is over-taxed. Just a few thoughts.
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Who knows? Refugees? Ryan? Could be anything.

Sure sounds like an emergency to me...
 
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