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This is Trump's economy, two years in

noonereal said:
Exactly, we need to make cuts in everything, especially the military and raise taxes.
This is what a true conservative advocates.
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I have never gotten over my opposition to wild government expansions at the expense of pointless tax hikes. I would prefer we shut down non-essential government departments and programs, and there are no doubt hundreds we could live without now just like we lived without before these programs were created, and get back to spending within the limits of the national income.
 
Kushinator said:
There is a technical definition of a recession. There are also lingering effects of a financial crisis. Homeowner equity, credit availability, net worth, savings, etc... all were critically impaired, and it took time for the country to rebuild it's balance sheet.



This is a glaring example of partisan ignorance. TARP didn't do anything for the economy. It was a means of recapitalizing banks... not a single penny from TARP went into the economy.



Job losses continued to mount even after the recession ended, which is a symptom of the severity of this downturn.



This is a meaningless statement. If a person loses a job in 2008, and gets a new job in 2009, it's a new job. You are simply trying to recreate definitions to suit your rabid partisan agenda. And it, like your analysis of our economy, is an utter failure.
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Conservative keeps saying that when Obama took office there were 146 million people employed when there was only 142 million employed
He can't comprehend the fact that there were 4 million people put back to work ( jobs created ) after Obama was put in office that lost their jobs under Bush.
yet you can see he likes to make trump look better then he is and Obama worse.
Fact is in Oct of 2009 the Unemployment rate went to over 10% and when Obama left office it was 4.7% that is over a 5% drop
and He and the trumpetts keep saying how well trump is doing when the Unemployment rate has only gone down NINE Tenths of ONE percent
I guess they don't understand that 5% or more is a lot better drop in the Unemployment rate then nine tenths of one percent.
all these facts came from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics
Have a nice day and good luck
 
Conservative said:
California has among the highest state and local taxes in the nation and still leads the nation in poverty, homelessness, has the worst quality of life, and among the highest income gap in the nation. The left wants to focus on dollars going back to red states but not problems facing those blue states. Today the Trump economy is benefiting all ACTUAL taxpayers
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maybe if all the states got back the same percentage of Federal dollars paid in to the Federal Government
more money would go back to the Blue states and they wouldn't be subsidizing red states and the Red states would have to raise their state taxes
Right now because of more money going back to the red states they can keep their states taxes artificially lower then Blue states
Like I said make it a standard percentage going back to all states then one state wouldn't be getting more back compared to what they pay in then another state does
ex Cal. pays in 100 million dollars and they get 60% back that would be 60 million going back to Cal
and Miss. only pays in 50 Million they would get back 30 Million and they would have to raise their states taxes in order to keep the same programs they have now
Make it an equal playing field for all states Not a pay a lot in in one state and give it to another lower taxes state
Have a nice day
 
marke said:
I have never gotten over my opposition to wild government expansions at the expense of pointless tax hikes. I would prefer we shut down non-essential government departments and programs, and there are no doubt hundreds we could live without now just like we lived without before these programs were created, and get back to spending within the limits of the national income.
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Yes then IF a Red state wants to keep a program they will have to fund it themselves and the higher taxes states wouldn't have to keep funding them
and with less money going to the federal government the Higher taxes states would keep more of their money and their economies would be doing better
Have a nice day
 
Tbird19482 said:
Yes then IF a Red state wants to keep a program they will have to fund it themselves and the higher taxes states wouldn't have to keep funding them
and with less money going to the federal government the Higher taxes states would keep more of their money and their economies would be doing better
Have a nice day
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Leftist democrats still think tax monies belong to leftist democrats and not to the American people.
 
Bullseye said:
Weekly jobless claims fall to the lowest value since 1969

But,"Trump!:twisted:" - amirite?
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I don't know if anybody brought this up but how how how do you not recognize that declining UE is an 8 year trend. And Bullseye, now that you acknowledge UE is low, don't you think it was foolish of republicans to balloon the deficit to help UE? It was already at a 25 year low when they cut them. Surely you can find the courage to acknowledge that? And then what was does it say that when UE was 9%, republicans stopped a jobs bill because of their concern for the deficits. don't worry, nobody expects you to have the courage to address that? Not one conservative had addressed the documented flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans concerning deficits.
 
Vern said:
I don't know if anybody brought this up but how how how do you not recognize that declining UE is an 8 year trend. And Bullseye, now that you acknowledge UE is low, don't you think it was foolish of republicans to balloon the deficit to help UE? It was already at a 25 year low when they cut them. Surely you can find the courage to acknowledge that? And then what was does it say that when UE was 9%, republicans stopped a jobs bill because of their concern for the deficits. don't worry, nobody expects you to have the courage to address that? Not one conservative had addressed the documented flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans concerning deficits.
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As usual Vern you ignore the data in context for in your world the bottom line is all that matters not the fact that Obama set records for part time for economic reasons employment that skewed the unemployment and employment rate in his favor. Lying seems to be a basic standard for you as results don't seem to resonate and are what you want them to be.

You see, Obama inherited a Democratic Congress and a white board for a budget as the Bush budget was rejected. Obama signed his stimulus program for SHOVEL READY JOBS in the middle of February 2009, he inherited 142 million employed and by the end of 2009 it was 138 million or 4 million jobs lost and included in those 138 million were over 8 million part time jobs. At the end of 2010 the employment was 139 million still down 3 million jobs and that included 9 million part time for economic reasons so Obama did a great job creating part time jobs. Want to thank Obama for giving us Trump!
 
Vern said:
I don't know if anybody brought this up but how how how do you not recognize that declining UE is an 8 year trend. And Bullseye, now that you acknowledge UE is low, don't you think it was foolish of republicans to balloon the deficit to help UE? It was already at a 25 year low when they cut them. Surely you can find the courage to acknowledge that? And then what was does it say that when UE was 9%, republicans stopped a jobs bill because of their concern for the deficits. don't worry, nobody expects you to have the courage to address that? Not one conservative had addressed the documented flaming lying hypocrisy of republicans concerning deficits.
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Here you go Vern, want to explain these numbers to us??

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2008 to 2018

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 4846 4902 4904 5220 5286 5540 5930 5851 6148 6690 7311 8029
2009 8046 8796 9145 8908 9113 9024 8891 9029 8847 8979 9114 9098
2010 8530 8936 9233 9178 8845 8577 8500 8800 9246 8837 8873 8935
2011 8470 8464 8645 8652 8576 8427 8281 8788 9166 8657 8447 8171
2012 8305 8238 7775 7913 8101 8072 8082 7974 8671 8203 8166 7943
2013 8151 8178 7722 7964 7937 8103 8099 7816 7764 7936 7718 7827
2014 7302 7304 7451 7516 7260 7425 7400 7169 7007 7031 6885 6817
2015 6820 6693 6653 6622 6643 6386 6234 6411 6025 5807 6159 6027
2016 5960 6021 6099 6027 6491 5751 5898 5977 5893 5955 5719 5554
2017 5776 5670 5500 5309 5268 5264 5236 5209 5148 4880 4851 4915
2018 4989 5160 5019 4985 4948 4743 4567 4379 4642 4621 4802
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In January 2010 there were 138 million Americans employed and of that number, 8.5 million were part time for economic reasons or people who couldn't find full time jobs in that booming Obama economy and Stimulus program
 
Conservative said:
Here you go Vern, want to explain these numbers to us??
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that's an easy one. Bush destroyed the economy and President Obama wasn't able to fix it fast enough for you. We don't even need to discuss republican efforts to undermine the economy and sabotage the recovery.
 
Vern said:
that's an easy one. Bush destroyed the economy and President Obama wasn't able to fix it fast enough for you. We don't even need to discuss republican efforts to undermine the economy and sabotage the recovery.
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That certainly is your opinion Vern but no matter how many times you spout that lie it never will be true. Obama had 8 years and generated the worst recovery in U.S. History and had a Democratic Congress with no budget to start his term. He got everything he wanted his first two years, bailed out teacher's unions and other public sector jobs never creating the promised jobs but creating a made up statistic of saved jobs. There is no verifiable source that counts saved jobs. So keep making those claims Vern and keep being seen as someone hoping beyond hope that his lies will be proven true
 
Rogue Valley said:
This is Trump's economy, two years in

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Agglomerated, Trumps policies have had a negative net-affect on the economy. Federal debt is up and the federal deficit is ballooning. Very little "trickle-down" from Trumps tax bonanza for the wealthy and corps.
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This is going to blow what is left of the radical brains, got to love it

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sta...-story-not-even-his-harshest-critics-can-deny
 
Vern said:
that's an easy one. Bush destroyed the economy and President Obama wasn't able to fix it fast enough for you. We don't even need to discuss republican efforts to undermine the economy and sabotage the recovery.
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Here is the facts on the Trump economy, Vern, which is the topic of this thread, It is a shame you have such hatred for Bush based upon your own partisan opinions

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sta...-story-not-even-his-harshest-critics-can-deny

Yes, Vern, an Opinion piece that has actual data in it, rather than attack the messenger attack the message
 
Conservative said:
Here is the facts on the Trump economy, Vern, which is the topic of this thread, It is a shame you have such hatred for Bush based upon your own partisan opinions

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sta...-story-not-even-his-harshest-critics-can-deny

Yes, Vern, an Opinion piece that has actual data in it, rather than attack the messenger attack the message
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oh Con, its always funny when you whine about "thread related" but the fox news editorial is comedy gold. Of course it has the obligatory shout out to AOC but this is priceless " and the president has every right to take a large measure of credit for it." As is this "A large part of these successes can be traced to the Trump-backed Tax Cuts and Jobs". those two alone will keep me chuckling for a long time.
 
Vern said:
oh Con, its always funny when you whine about "thread related" but the fox news editorial is comedy gold. Of course it has the obligatory shout out to AOC but this is priceless " and the president has every right to take a large measure of credit for it." As is this "A large part of these successes can be traced to the Trump-backed Tax Cuts and Jobs". those two alone will keep me chuckling for a long time.
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Yes, Vern, I am sure those 4.7 million people working in new jobs and the 1 million part time employees under Obama working full time now are happy to have the Trump economy
 
Rogue Valley said:
This is Trump's economy, two years in

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Agglomerated, Trumps policies have had a negative net-affect on the economy. Federal debt is up and the federal deficit is ballooning. Very little "trickle-down" from Trumps tax bonanza for the wealthy and corps.
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Though he received the trust of the voters of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which he needed for the win. He has done almost nothing for them. Those voters soundly rejected the Republicans in 2018, and seem very far out of reach for Republicans in 2020. Even without a recession in the next two years (which is a high probability) and even in the very unlikely event that the Mueller team finds nothing, Trump loses at the polls in the states that put him over last time around.

Trump's election and Sanders popularity, were fundamentally rooted in the idea that the economy is not working for everyone. Its working even less for everyone today. The price of that failure will be paid at the polls in 2020.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterg...as-real-economy-it-isnt-booming/#3e1def5060b7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...how-the-u-s-economy-isnt-as-good-as-it-seems/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...nomy-jobs-income-employment-column/782404002/
https://eand.co/the-economys-not-booming-capitalism-is-8a180c97e06d
 
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upsideguy said:
Though he received the trust of the voters of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which he needed for the win. He has done almost nothing for them. Those voters soundly rejected the Republicans in 2018, and seem very far out of reach for Republicans in 2020. Even without a recession in the next two years (which is a high probability) and even in the very unlikely event that the Mueller team finds nothing, Trump loses at the polls in the states that put him over last time around.

Trump's election and Sanders popularity, were fundamentally rooted in the idea that the economy is not working for everyone. Its working even less for everyone today. The price of that failure will be paid at the polls in 2020.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterg...as-real-economy-it-isnt-booming/#3e1def5060b7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...how-the-u-s-economy-isnt-as-good-as-it-seems/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...nomy-jobs-income-employment-column/782404002/
https://eand.co/the-economys-not-booming-capitalism-is-8a180c97e06d
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Aw, yes, the march to that liberal utopia that past liberal groups were unable to implement but this group along with you will. Such passion for socialism and that European style economy that has took so long to return after the recession ended.

Alarming statistics?? See a lot of PROJECTIONS and not a lot of official data. now if you care to post official data then we would have something to discuss but that isn't in your DNA. For some reason you have a great passion to destroy the economic model upon which this country was built, care to explain why?

Absolutely stunning attempt to divert from the actual results generated but none of those articles, all opinion pieces, do that. Your first article is August 22, 2018, USA article by Bernie Sanders, the last one September 11 all before record consumer spending reported, record charitable dollars given, record numbers of jobs created in the first two years of the Presidency.

All these opinion pieces posted by leftwing radicals who would benefit from the march to socialism but not the majority of the American people. those who cannot produce or compete want to legislate the rights of others do can and do
 
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