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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    Can you imagine the hissy fit he would throw if a porn star ever refused to spank him???
    Perhaps only slightly less upsetting for Trump than a Russian prostitute who emptied her bladder *before* Trump was ready for her to do so.
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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not going to do the work for you but the evidence is there as to the human and economic costs but you are too biased and partisan to waste a lot of time, Hundreds of billions of dollar cost to the Federal, State, and local taxpayers along with actual lives lost. Wonder if your attitude would change if one of those lives was a family member or better let your state and local governments along with the federal govt established a tax to pay for those costs
    hmmm.. show us the statistics.. show us the documentation. I'll start

    According to a 2010 report by the American Immigration Council, undocumented immigrants pay as much as $90 billion in taxes but receive just $5 billion in benefits. The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) estimated that in 2010 undocumented immigrants paid as much as $10.6 billion in state and local taxes alone.

    In fact, given IRS estimates that some 50-75 percent of undocumented immigrants pay taxes, we could actually reduce deficits by providing those immigrants a path to legal immigration and enabling them all to pay taxes. That’s right. By ensuring so many undocumented immigrants stay in the shadows, we significantly reduce the amount of available taxable income.
    Unauthorized workers are paying an estimated $13 billion a year in social security taxes and only getting around $1 billion back, according to a senior government statistician.

    Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration (SSA), told VICE News that an estimated 7 million people are currently working in the US illegally. Of those, he estimates that about 3.1 million are using fake or expired social security numbers, yet also paying automatic payroll taxes. Goss believes that these workers pay an annual net contribution of $12 billion to the Social Security Trust Fund.
    The SSA estimates that unauthorized workers have paid a whopping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade. Yet as these people are in the US illegally, it is unlikely that they will be able to benefit from their contributions later in life.
    Hmmm crime?

    The first study, published by the libertarian Cato Institute in February, examines criminal conviction data for 2015 provided by the Texas Department of Public Safety. It found that native-born residents were much more likely to be convicted of a crime than immigrants in the country legally or illegally.
    Another study, published in March in the journal Criminology, looked at population-level crime rates: Do places with higher percentages of undocumented immigrants have higher rates of crime? The answer, as the chart above shows, is a resounding no. States with larger shares of undocumented immigrants tended to have lower crime rates than states with smaller shares in the years 1990 through 2014. "Increases in the undocumented immigrant population within states are associated with significant decreases in the prevalence of violence," authors Michael T. Light and Ty Miller found.

    That's just a simple correlation, of course, and it's well documented that many factors beyond immigration can affect the crime rate. So Light and Miller ran a number of statistical analyses to more clearly isolate the effects of illegal immigration from those other factors. Among other things, they find that the relationship between high levels of illegal immigration and low levels of crime persists even after controlling for various economic and demographic factors such as age, urbanization, labor market conditions and incarceration rates.

    All told, Light and Miller sliced the data 57 ways to see whether there was anything they missed, but not one of their analyses showed any positive relationship between illegal immigration and crime. They concluded that not only does illegal immigration not increase crime, but it may actually contribute to the drop in overall crime rates observed in the United States in recent decades.
    Now.. you turn.. but I won't hold my breath.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Doesn't look like that in this forum for radicals like you throw a temper tantrum daily and on every anti Trump thread
    Who here is throwing a temper tantrum?
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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So Obama didn't build a wall to protect his house? Walls work but doesn't matter since people like you only give a damn about liberal power and open borders.
    Nope. He didn't.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I suspect that many repubicants are well paid (via completely legal campaign contributions, of course) to let the "job creators" use lower cost illegal immigrant labor. This is why universal mandatory E-Verify will never come to pass.
    What I've seen happening in Tucson is that "cheap Mexican labor" is only available to Mexicans and tends to be organized by Mexicans as well. One guy will get a decent gig in a restaurant or a construction crew and then he's the "jefe" and recruits others as needed. There are a number of places you can't even get a job if you're not Mexican.

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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Show us the statistics. Show us the data. Show us the documentation. Terrorists? Ah, 6 suspected terrorists ever.

    You might want to stop sleeping with the light on. Lack of sleep can cause confusion and paranoia.
    Listening to right wing media not only can but does cause delusions and paranoia, as proven daily by the Don himself...

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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    If trump wanted his idiotic wall he should have got it done while Republicans were in full control.


    Why didn't he? Because enough Republicans realized it is a stupid idea and just a waste of taxpayer dollars, and the great negotiator could not convince them or the American public otherwise. So the American public responded with a blue wave, trump lost and will never get his oh so very special wall.

    So now trump is throwing a hissy fit and punishing the country by abusing his authority and taking he government hostage.

    He should be aware we do not negotiate with terrorists or traitors!!!
    I hear this argument all the time its like your brain washed by stupid puppet masters. You can't get anything done through the senate unless you get a few (9?) democrats to agree to it. SO it doesn't matter if republicans control the house and have the presidency.
    Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal.

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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How many thousand mile long walls in the modern world work? Got some examples for that claim?

    The largest defense wall I have ever seen was in England around York, I was on top of it and both sides of it.

    Ironically we were there to train with English special forces, and had just spent a day learning the fastest and most efficient ways to climb or otherwise breach just such an obstruction...

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    Re: So the Meeting Didnít Go So Well

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    Very true, here in Wisconsin even .most farm kids will not do the work that migrant workers do on the dairy farms.

    And that will continue until either the public is okay with ten dollar a gallon milk, or enough government subsidies to pay workers enough to get spoiled Americans to work that hard...
    Id rather pay $10 dollars a gallon.
    Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal.

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