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Greenbeard said:
IIRC, every time I suggest we shift Medicare benes like you off the backs of federal taxpayers and onto the rolls of your state's Medicaid program, you throw a ****fit.
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Unfortunately for the country you and most liberals have no understanding of the taxes you pay or their purpose. FICA(Payroll) taxes fund SS and Medicare and as long as that tax exists SS and Medicare stay at the Federal Govt. level. You keep making up issues that don't exist never acknowledging the role of the state or local governments on social programs like welfare, unemployment, and yes even healthcare.

You are very poorly informed as your posts show
 
ludin said:
because medicaid sucks. none of the good hospitals or doctors or specialists in my area take it.
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Gee whiz, then I guess we better leave it to the feds instead of handing it over to the states after all.
 
Greenbeard said:
Gee whiz, then I guess we better leave it to the feds instead of handing it over to the states after all.
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nope. I prefer my good private healthcare that way i don't have to worry about anything.
i value the health of my family and therefore do not want LCD healthcare like you.
 
Conservative said:
Unfortunately for the country you and most liberals have no understanding of the taxes you pay or their purpose. FICA(Payroll) taxes fund SS and Medicare and as long as that tax exists SS and Medicare stay at the Federal Govt. level. You keep making up issues that don't exist never acknowledging the role of the state or local governments on social programs like welfare, unemployment, and yes even healthcare.

You are very poorly informed as your posts show
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I just find it amusing how quickly the "shifting things like social expenses back to the states and local governments" talking point flies out the window when it's your health expense shifting from the feds to the state. And you're not wrong! When it comes to health care, the choice between the federal government and the state of Texas is a no brainer.
 
ludin said:
nope. I prefer my good private healthcare that well i don't have to worry about anything.
i value the health of my family and therefore do not want LCD healthcare like you.
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Well we're not talking about you, are we? We're talking about Medicare.
 
Greenbeard said:
IIRC, every time I suggest we shift Medicare benes like you off the backs of federal taxpayers and onto the rolls of your state's Medicaid program, you throw a ****fit.
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It seems that a lie to a liberal is whatever that liberal wants it to be. The reality is the biggest lie and one that trumps any of those so called lies the left wants to claim against Trump is the Obama statement, "If you like your doctor and your plan you can keep it"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl55GgHr5E

I lost my doctor and lost my plan and that lie actually cost me money, name for us all any lie that Trump made that cost you and your family any money?
 
Conservative said:
Your comments on Medicare have been rebuked, are you mature enough to admit it?
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You've swayed me! I agree with you we should leave it to the feds, shifting it to the states would be a mistake.
 
Greenbeard said:
Well we're not talking about you, are we? We're talking about Medicare.
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The fact still remains i do not want LCD healthcare. Medicare system has massive flaws in it.
I know the cost for medicare my mother in law has it.

she spends a good chuck of change in additional insurance coverage just for her because
medicare doesn't cover everything.

She spend almost as much in additional coverage for herself as i do for my entire family.
 
ludin said:
The fact still remains i do not want LCD healthcare. Medicare system has massive flaws in it.
I know the cost for medicare my mother in law has it.

she spends a good chuck of change in additional insurance coverage just for her because
medicare doesn't cover everything.

She spend almost as much in additional coverage for herself as i do for my entire family.
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So shift her to the states? I honestly don't know why you've entered this part of the conversation or what your point is.
 
Greenbeard said:
You've swayed me! I agree with you we should leave it to the feds, shifting it to the states would be a mistake.
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Who is suggesting that Medicare be shifted to the states? FICA is collected to fund Medicare and that is a FEDERAL TAX
 
Conservative said:
Who is suggesting that Medicare be shifted to the states? FICA is collected to fund Medicare and that is a FEDERAL TAX
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General revenue pays for a larger percentage of Medicare than payroll tax revenue does. All the more reason we should stop cutting federal income taxes. Otherwise we'll have to start cutting back on Medicare benefits.
 
Greenbeard said:
General revenue pays for a larger percentage of Medicare than payroll tax revenue does. All the more reason we should stop cutting federal income taxes. Otherwise we'll have to start cutting back on Medicare benefits.
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And why exactly is that? Could it have anything to do with FICA taxes being used for other things rather than solely for Medicare? You certainly are a proponent of the unified budget which is why we have shortfalls in both SS and Medicare now. It truly is a shame of how easily it has been to indoctrinate so many people into believing that every dollar going to the federal govt. should go into the general fund and be used as the Congress and bureaucrats decide
 
Conservative said:
And why exactly is that?
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Because payroll taxes only finance (most of) Part A.

And it turns out old folks need more than just inpatient care, they see doctors and get outpatient services and take prescription drugs and use DME and on and on. Those services are not financed via payroll taxes. Hence the reliance on general revenue.
 
Greenbeard said:
Because payroll taxes only finance (most of) Part A.

And it turns out old folks need more than just inpatient care, they see doctors and get outpatient services and take prescription drugs and use DME and on and on. Those services are not financed via payroll taxes. Hence the reliance on general revenue.
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What is it in the liberal DNA that prevents people like you from reviewing the problem and demanding answers as to where the previous tax dollars went before asking for more spending?? You don't seem to comprehend what happened to billions of SS and Medicare dollars that were spent on programs other than SS and Medicare like the Vietnam War and always blame rising costs for the problem. It isn't rising costs that created the problem but abuses by the bureaucrats that you now support who spent the money delegated for SS and Medicare on other issues. Reliance on General revenue is the result and that is the problem you won't address
 
Conservative said:
It isn't rising costs that created the problem but abuses by the bureaucrats that you now support who spent the money delegated for SS and Medicare on other issues.
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Money is only "delegated" for Medicare Part A. There's a reason the trust fund for payroll taxes is called the hospital insurance trust fund. It goes toward paying for inpatient hospital services.

There are lots of medical expenses that don't fall under that umbrella. Like seeing a physician. Or filling a prescription. Nobody spent the money for those things, there isn't any dedicated money for those things. Most of Part B and Part D are paid for out of general revenue. And if we don't want to raise revenue to finance those benefits, then we probably have to stop paying for those things at some point.

But don't worry, I'm sure your state or local government can help you out. You might like Texas Medicaid even better.
 
Greenbeard said:
Money is only "delegated" for Medicare Part A. There's a reason the trust fund for payroll taxes is called the hospital insurance trust fund. It goes toward paying for inpatient hospital services.

There are lots of medical expenses that don't fall under that umbrella. Like seeing a physician. Or filling a prescription. Nobody spent the money for those things, there isn't any dedicated money for those things. Most of Part B and Part D are paid for out of general revenue. And if we don't want to raise revenue to finance those benefits, then we probably have to stop paying for those things at some point.

But don't worry, I'm sure your state or local government can help you out. You might like Texas Medicaid even better.
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Is there some reason you want to ignore FICA and its purpose PLUS the reality that the money was used in the general fund for items other than SS and Medicare? Your continued effort to ignore that is noted

As for Medicaid why would I ever use Medicaid after spending thousands and thousands of dollars over my working career on SS and Medicare and then being forced into Medicare? Cannot wait for people like you to be forced into a program you now support
 
Conservative said:
Is there some reason you want to ignore FICA and its purpose PLUS the reality that the money was used in the general fund for items other than SS and Medicare? Your continued effort to ignore that is noted
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I'm not ignoring it, I've said it multiple times now. It's even right in the statute: the Medicare component is for hospital insurance. The majority of health care spending, including spending on Medicare beneficiaries, is not on inpatient hospital care. So the payroll tax does not and is not designed to pay for the majority of Medicare's spending.

As for Medicaid why would I ever use Medicaid after spending thousands and thousands of dollars over my working career on SS and Medicare and then being forced into Medicare?
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Because it's starting to seem like the federal taxpayer might be done paying for you. When it comes to federal spending, the United States is basically a retirement community with a military. And I doubt we're going to scale back on that military. So if your anti-tax fervor is widely held, I'm guessing we'll be scaling back on the other part.
 
Greenbeard said:
I'm not ignoring it, I've said it multiple times now. It's even right in the statute: the Medicare component is for hospital insurance. The majority of health care spending, including spending on Medicare beneficiaries, is not on inpatient hospital care. So the payroll tax does not and is not designed to pay for the majority of Medicare's spending.



Because it's starting to seem like the federal taxpayer might be done paying for you. When it comes to federal spending, the United States is basically a retirement community with a military. And I doubt we're going to scale back on that military. So if your anti-tax fervor is widely held, I'm guessing we'll be scaling back on the other part.
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Here remains the problem, you want to ignore how the Medicare and SS money has been used in the past and have no way of knowing if any general fund money would have to be used if that money was still in the so called trust fund. Until you find out how much money was used for other purposes you don't have a clue and are making a fool of yourself with your claims

Let me remind you the federal taxpayers have no business paying for me as I contributed to the SS and Medicare fund along with my employer for over 35 years. It remains quite concerning that someone like you is so poorly informed on both the SS and Medicare programs and their funding as you continue to buy bureaucratic bull**** and total diversion from how they used the money in the past

As for the U.S. being an retirement community, here is another example of you having no idea what taxes you pay or their purpose along with the roles of the various gov't we have totally ignoring state and local responsibilities for social issues outside of SS and Medicare. It isn't anti tax fervor it is anti Federal gov't social engineering that has driven up the budget costs and thus the deficit. Promoting domestic welfare has now come to mean providing domestic welfare as bureaucrats have found a way to make people dependent and thus keep their power by creating career jobs
 
Greenbeard said:
So shift her to the states? I honestly don't know why you've entered this part of the conversation or what your point is.
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all you are is a recycled argument machine. you can't actually make an argument and then constantly deflect when people show you how flawed your argument really is.
I proved what your whole medicare/medicaid for everyone doesn't work but you are too blind to see it.
not my issue.
 
Conservative said:
Let me remind you the federal taxpayers have no business paying for me as I contributed to the SS and Medicare fund along with my employer for over 35 years.
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And that fund doesn't pay for most of the benefits you enjoy, it never did. Every see any kind of doctor? The trust fund doesn't pay for that.
 
Greenbeard said:
And that fund doesn't pay for most of the benefits you enjoy, it never did. Every see any kind of doctor? The trust fund doesn't pay for that.
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Again, explain how much money has been spent by the bureaucrats from SS and Medicare on issues other than SS and Medicare. Your opinion is biased and ignores the waste, fraud, and abuses of the past. Cannot wait until you get into Medicare and let's see how your opinion changes
 
ludin said:
all you are is a recycled argument machine. you can't actually make an argument and then constantly deflect when people show you how flawed your argument really is.
I proved what your whole medicare/medicaid for everyone doesn't work but you are too blind to see it.
not my issue.
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This thread has nothing to do with "medicare/medicaid for everyone." Nor has any of the conversation in it to date had anything to do with that subject. Maybe start at the beginning and try reading through it again.
 
Greenbeard said:
This thread has nothing to do with "medicare/medicaid for everyone." Nor has any of the conversation in it to date had anything to do with that subject. Maybe start at the beginning and try reading through it again.
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see your past arguments it will show that you are not correct.
 
ludin said:
see your past arguments it will show that you are not correct.
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Just stop. You didn't read what was being discussed, you don't know what you walked into, you've misunderstood the entire conversation, now you're acting like a fool. Bow out gracefully.
 
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