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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Obama's deficits came under Republican Congresses...
    Uh, only partially and they subsided quickly once gop got a foothold. 2009, and 2010 were full Dem controlled congresses and deficits far north of one trillion. 2011 and 2012 were split with Dems holding Senate.

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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Are you simply uninformed?

    In 2000, the Federal government ran a $243 billion surplus in 2000, a $128 billion surplus in 2001, and a $157 billion deficit in 2002.



    If so, you have no business making statements such as the ones i'm quoting.
    The discussion was about GOP and DEFICITS. Oh, and those surpluses ALSO were under GOP control of Congress. Oh, you do know that that a huge portion of each of those surpluses was because of Social Security surplus, right?

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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Uh, only partially and they subsided quickly once gop got a foothold. 2009, and 2010 were full Dem controlled congresses and deficits far north of one trillion. 2011 and 2012 were split with Dems holding Senate.
    Of course the Great Recession Bush handed off collapsed revenues and played a big role in those deficits, but I'm sure you will find a way to blame that on the Democrats as well. It's how you guys roll.

    What you were touting, the $160B deficit in 2007 under Bush, was in fact unsustainable because the revenues were rooted in the biggest bubble this country has seen in generations. And when bubbles burst, as they always do and did, revenues collapsed. So what's instructive to me is the "growth" fueled by the Bush II tax cuts was a bubble, in fact, and even with that massive bubble, we still couldn't balance the books at the Bush era tax rates.
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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Of course the Great Recession Bush handed off collapsed revenues and played a big role in those deficits, but I'm sure you will find a way to blame that on the Democrats as well. It's how you guys roll.
    He's got his ass handed to him on the budget 1,000 times, it's pointless to continue.
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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    The discussion was about GOP and DEFICITS.
    Ahhh, you are uncomfortable with math. Probably a good idea to steer clear of these discussions.

    Oh, and those surpluses ALSO were under GOP control of Congress.
    Just like the past 8 years of deficits??

    Oh, you do know that that a huge portion of each of those surpluses was because of Social Security surplus, right?
    You know that if you factor in the social security trust fund, there were still surpluses in 2000 and 2001.

    So... do yourself a favor and delete your account. There is no reason for you to be here.
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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Ahhh, you are uncomfortable with math. Probably a good idea to steer clear of these discussions.



    Just like the past 8 years of deficits??
    Except Clinton's policies, particularly in his second term moved to the center and he WORKED with the GOP Senate and House. Obama never did. Oh, and except for two years Obama had a Dem senate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator
    You know that if you factor in the social security trust fund, there were still surpluses in 2000 and 2001.
    Of course. How much did congress OR the president's policies affect FICA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator
    So... do yourself a favor and delete your account. There is no reason for you to be here.
    Classic lib BS.

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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Except Clinton's policies, particularly in his second term moved to the center and he WORKED with the GOP Senate and House. Obama never did. Oh, and except for two years Obama had a Dem senate.
    Your rationalization is not a justification for ignorance. Why not just admit you have been wrong?

    Of course. How much did congress OR the president's policies affect FICA?
    So you knew their were surpluses regardless of S.S. contribution to the Trust Fund, but made a statement that ignored this fact... only to agree with it later? I'm not surprised.

    Classic lib BS.
    If nothing you state ads value to the discussion, you're getting called out for lying, ignorance, etc... on a pretty consistent basis, and you're clearly not learning, why do you want to be here?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Oh, well, if the Daily Beast says it, you can take it to the bank. Oh, and by the way the lowest deficit in this century came under GWB - a mere $160 billion, yes billion with a "b".
    Except Clinton had four years of surpluses. There can be no smaller deficit than a surplus.
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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    The discussion was about GOP and DEFICITS. Oh, and those surpluses ALSO were under GOP control of Congress. Oh, you do know that that a huge portion of each of those surpluses was because of Social Security surplus, right?
    The "small" deficit under Bush also included Social Security receipts.
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    Re: 'Yeah, but I won't be here': Trump lays bare the GOP's hypocritical double standard around mount

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Except Clinton's policies, particularly in his second term moved to the center and he WORKED with the GOP Senate and House. Obama never did. Oh, and except for two years Obama had a Dem senate.

    Of course. How much did congress OR the president's policies affect FICA?

    Classic lib BS.
    OBRA 1993 which got zero GOP votes and was signed by Clinton removed the Medicare cap and increased the maximum amount of SS subject to tax from 50% to 85%.

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