• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump bear market

FWIW: I read online that Bond Yields are inverting which is a great indicator a recession is imminent.
 
99percenter said:
LOL. Market crashed again. Maybe the orange clown should just keep his mouth shut. It seems every time he talks the market crashes.
Click to expand...

As I recall the market was closed today to honor GHW Bush, but that is way too much to ask of you
 
99percenter said:
This is why you are a partisan hack and not a true conservative. Obama is one of the greatest presidents in US history. he ended the GBCRR. He lowered the bush $1.4 trillion deficit to $400 billion and we would have been close to paying it off if the orange clown didnt ruin it. He killed bin laden and decimated al qaeda and isis. He lowered gas prices. He raised prices of equities. If you want to see a failed president, look no further than this clown.

failure_george_bush_poster-p228177551990557741tdcp_400.jpg


He let terrorists kill 3000 americans. He failed to catch obl and pretty much surrendered to him. He gave poor peoples loans they couldnt afford and crashed the housing market. He crashed the stock market. he raised gas prices. When it all went to **** he bailed out wall st and did nothing for the middle class. He turned a surplus into a $1.4 trillion deficit. He let new orleans drown. He lost two wars. He founded isis.
Click to expand...

It is posts like this that shows partisan bull**** and someone out of touch with reality, totally ignorant of civics, history, and economics. Your revisionist history won't change history, feel very sorry for people like you, so poorly informed, educated and dependent on a President
 
Conservative said:
Genius isn't something that we will ever have to worry about with you
Click to expand...

So not going to accept you were wrong about markets being closed today? Not a surprise for a guy that lies in every single post.
 
99percenter said:
So not going to accept you were wrong about markets being closed today? Not a surprise for a guy that lies in every single post.
Click to expand...

No question about it, bea.gov, bls.gov, treasury.org all lie as they refute everything you post as a very conservative and factually prove the left wing to be nothing but liberal bull****. Not sure what it is about this ideology that creates people like you but the reality is the govt. isn't the answer to your personal responsibility issues
 
YTD, the Dow is down 2.72%.
 
MTAtech said:
YTD, the Dow is down 2.72%.
Click to expand...

yep. Trumpkins will say that it's not that bad. And once it becomes undeniably bad they will blame the democrats and obama. Happened in 07-08. First they said everything was fine. When it went to **** they blamed the democratic congress and clinton.
 
99percenter said:
yep. Trumpkins will say that it's not that bad. And once it becomes undeniably bad they will blame the democrats and obama. Happened in 07-08. First they said everything was fine. When it went to **** they blamed the democratic congress and clinton.
Click to expand...

When they should be blaming the FED, Fiat currency, and FRB.
 
Ellis_G said:
When they should be blaming the FED, Fiat currency, and FRB.
Click to expand...
We have had a fiat currency since 1933 and if memory holds, we have had prosperity through most of that period. Thus, fiat currency is not the problem. Prior to fiat currency, we backed paper currency with gold and silver, and had periods of massive inflation followed by massive deflation. There is NO evidence that that system was superior.

Blame the Fed for what, exactly? Just to remind all, the Fed has a mandate to balance inflation and unemployment. They regulate interest rates and the money supply to do it. When unemployment was high, they increased the money supply and brought interest rates down to as much as zero. As the economy improved, they slowly raised rates. Now, that inflation is starting, they plan to raise rates.

I also need to remind everyone that Trump denounced low interest rates by the Fed, saying it's feeding a bubble, when that was proper and now is denouncing raising interest rates when that is proper policy.
 
MTAtech said:
YTD, the Dow is down 2.72%.
Click to expand...

So what is the DOW vs when Trump took office in January 2017? Interesting how you pounce on anything negative regarding the economy and ignore anything positive. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who don't research, don't accept official data, and always buy negative spin? This is like a cult following and not a debate forum
 
Conservative said:
So what is the DOW vs when Trump took office in January 2017? Interesting how you pounce on anything negative regarding the economy and ignore anything positive. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who don't research, don't accept official data, and always buy negative spin? This is like a cult following and not a debate forum
Click to expand...
The Dow was up 25.08% in 2017. Averaging in the negative annual performance in 2018, the average of each of the two years was 11.195% -- which is lower than the +13.42% in 2016.

What's fascinating is that all the things that were supposed to propel stocks even further, such as the tax-cuts and regulation gutting, were duds. Yet, conservative fanaticism in bankrupt policies continues.
 
MTAtech said:
The Dow was up 25.08% in 2017. Averaging in the negative annual performance in 2018, the average of each of the two years was 11.195% -- which is lower than the +13.42% in 2016.

What's fascinating is that all the things that were supposed to propel stocks even further, such as the tax-cuts and regulation gutting, were duds. Yet, conservative fanaticism in bankrupt policies continues.
Click to expand...
So now you're trying to tell us you're concerned about corporate profits and the Dow? Do you realize that corporations paying more in wages, more in insurance benefits, more and pension benefits reduce their profit does their taxable income? Please your high pieocracy is on Full display because you really don't give a damn about corporate profits for all you care about is a massive central government in Nanny state to provide for you your personal responsibility issues

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
 
Conservative said:
So now you're trying to tell us you're concerned about corporate profits and the Dow? Do you realize that corporations paying more in wages, more in insurance benefits, more and pension benefits reduce their profit does their taxable income? Please your high pieocracy is on Full display because you really don't give a damn about corporate profits for all you care about is a massive central government in Nanny state to provide for you your personal responsibility issues
Click to expand...
1504583483604.gif
 
SDET said:
It's almost like you want the economy to fail.
Click to expand...

Actually it is like Trump wants it to fail. Trade wars always end badly. Anyone with a grasp of history would know this.
 
Conservative said:
So now you're trying to tell us you're concerned about corporate profits and the Dow? Do you realize that corporations paying more in wages, more in insurance benefits, more and pension benefits reduce their profit does their taxable income? Please your high pieocracy is on Full display because you really don't give a damn about corporate profits for all you care about is a massive central government in Nanny state to provide for you your personal responsibility issues

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

is that what you truly believe about.those on the left or are you just.angry and striking out?

Republicans talk a good game about the economy but reality is they just don't have a very good track record. Famous for.boom bust cycles.

Democrats on the other hand have a much better track record going.back all the way to those hoover.days. I know you will bring up Obama. in my opinion he did quite well starting with the dick and jr depression and bring us out of said depression. no matter how you spin it Obama's deficits shrank and belong to the republicans.
 
rickc said:
is that what you truly believe about.those on the left or are you just.angry and striking out?

Republicans talk a good game about the economy but reality is they just don't have a very good track record. Famous for.boom bust cycles.

Democrats on the other hand have a much better track record going.back all the way to those hoover.days. I know you will bring up Obama. in my opinion he did quite well starting with the dick and jr depression and bring us out of said depression. no matter how you spin it Obama's deficits shrank and belong to the republicans.
Click to expand...

Yep, let's forget the 4.7 million jobs created since January 2017, the 1 million part time for economic reason jobs Obama created that are now working full time under Trump, the record amount of state and local tax revenue along with record charitable contributions, and the 3+% GDP annual GDP Growth for the first time since 2005 and focus on a stock market that has only increased from 19k to 24k in 2 years. You people are truly something else. keep diverting

Obama deficits shrank and he only added 9.3 trillion to the debt, thank you Obama because 9.3 trillion isn't very much, right liberals?
 
Conservative said:
Yep, let's forget the 4.7 million jobs created since January 2017, the 1 million part time for economic reason jobs Obama created that are now working full time under Trump, the record amount of state and local tax revenue along with record charitable contributions, and the 3+% GDP annual GDP Growth for the first time since 2005 and focus on a stock market that has only increased from 19k to 24k in 2 years. You people are truly something else. keep diverting

Obama deficits shrank and he only added 9.3 trillion to the debt, thank you Obama because 9.3 trillion isn't very much, right liberals?
Click to expand...

Let's talk about that job creation in 2017 and 2018. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the job creation during 2017 and 2018 that you tout, was rather lack-luster -- being outperformed by several years under Obama. 2017 had the worst job growth since 2012. 2018 is nothing spectacular either.
 
MTAtech said:
1504583483604.gif
Click to expand...

Normal post from you when you cannot respond to the facts provide. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you? hope you are well compensated for letting the left making a fool out of you
 
Conservative said:
Normal post from you when you cannot respond to the facts provide. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you? hope you are well compensated for letting the left making a fool out of you
Click to expand...
Let me remind you that post #167 was about the Dow Jones Industrial Average, and this thread is about stock prices. Your response in #167 is indeed moving the goalpost because you lost the argument at hand.
 
Conservative said:
Yep, let's forget the 4.7 million jobs created since January 2017
Click to expand...

For some reason, you refuse to acknowledge Total Nonfarm Payrolls as a measurement for employment... even though it has been (slowly, on dozens of occasions) explained to you why it is confusing and far less accurate to do so.

Using TNFP, 4.2 million jobs were created since January 2017. From January 2015 to January 2017, 5.2 million jobs were created, and not once did you recognize such growth. You are a partisan hack of the highest degree. Hence, nobody has any respect for you or your opinions.

the 1 million part time for economic reason jobs Obama created
Click to expand...

Obama didn't create part time jobs for economic reasons. You are lying and desperate.

the 3+% GDP annual GDP Growth for the first time since 2005
Click to expand...

Why do you continue to push this lie, even after it has been exposed as such? There were three separate occasions where GDP growth. The most recent one is observable in Q3 2018.

c987437a5e.jpg


focus on a stock market that has only increased from 19k to 24k in 2 years.
Click to expand...

Well, if you invested in at the end of 2017 with the hope of the Trump tax cuts boosting equity valuations, it probably hasn't worked out for you! Who would have thought that corporate tax cuts wouldn't provide long term gains in valuations?

Obama deficits shrank and he only added 9.3 trillion to the debt, thank you Obama because 9.3 trillion isn't very much, right liberals?
Click to expand...

I thought you attribute deficits and debt to the Republican Congress?:lol:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom