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House Passes $3.8 Trillion More in Tax Cuts

Conservative said:
If you truly cared about costs you would solve the true problem that drives up those costs, waste, fraud, and abuse.
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I do support tackling that problem. And the law that's doing it. Per CMS:
The federal government has made important strides in reducing fraud, waste and improper payments across the government. The Affordable Care Act provided additional resources and tools to enable the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) to expand its efforts to prevent fraud, waste and improper payments. The same innovative tools are being used to further enhance collaboration with our State and law enforcement partners in detecting and preventing fraud.

Using tools provided under the ACA, CMS has used a multifaceted approach, ranging from provider screening to the use of predictive modeling technology similar to that used by credit card companies that has saved nearly $60 billion during 2013-15. This equates to an average savings of $12.40 for each dollar spent on these program integrity efforts.
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The real question is why people like you want to repeal those provisions.

Dual eligible means what to you? Although two entirely different programs with different rules prove to us all that what you are touting regarding Medicare has nothing to do with Medicaid expansion under ACA?
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Do you know anything about any of this? The ACA Medicaid expansion population is exclusively people under the age of 65 who aren't eligible for Medicare Part A or Part B. Here you go, here's the ACA's Medicaid expansion:

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Greenbeard said:
I do support tackling that problem. And the law that's doing it. Per CMS:


The real question is why people like you want to repeal those provisions.



Do you know anything about any of this? The ACA Medicaid expansion population is exclusively people under the age of 65 who aren't eligible for Medicare Part A or Part B. Here you go, here's the ACA's Medicaid expansion:

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Here's what I know, we have a 21 trillion dollar debt, trillions of unfunded liabilities in Medicare and SS and you still believe the federal bureaucrats are the answer to all social problems. I asked if you were in Medicare and you didn't answer. You support solving the problem by giving the bureaucrats more money with no assurance that the problem will be solved. In your world spending in the name of compassion is more important than requiring compassionate results.

Sorry but the federal bureaucrats are the problem, not the solution and the past results show that
 
Conservative said:
Here's what I know, we have a 21 trillion dollar debt, trillions of unfunded liabilities in Medicare and SS and you still believe the federal bureaucrats are the answer to all social problems.
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All the more puzzling that Medicare spending dropping on an inflation-adjusted per-beneficiary is so uninteresting to you. All without cutting a single benefit or person. And while tackling the waste, fraud, and abuse you think is the biggest problem in the program.

And yet "conservatives" are hellbent on reversing this progress.
 
Greenbeard said:
All the more puzzling that Medicare spending dropping on an inflation-adjusted per-beneficiary is so uninteresting to you. All without cutting a single benefit or person. And while tackling the waste, fraud, and abuse you think is the biggest problem in the program.

And yet "conservatives" are hellbent on reversing this progress.
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The roller coaster ride of Medicare is uninteresting to me as a Recipient I HATE THE DAMN PROGRAM!! I was forced into it after contributing for 35 years but as usual you so called slightly liberal big govt. nanny state supporters still don't get it and never will. The federal bureaucracy cannot run anything well, return the programs to the states by sending block grants back and let the local communities with term limits administer the program.

The history of Medicare, SS, and all federal spending is legendary except to radical liberals who never let actual results get in the way of their own ideology. You want the federal bureaucrats to handle your healthcare? I prefer my state and local communities where I have control.

Yours is the pure definition of insanity, continue to do the same things over and over again, throw in something you call reform or tweaking, and get the same results.
 
Conservative said:
Here's what I know, we have a 21 trillion dollar debt, trillions of unfunded liabilities in Medicare and SS and you still believe the federal bureaucrats are the answer to all social problems. I asked if you were in Medicare and you didn't answer. You support solving the problem by giving the bureaucrats more money with no assurance that the problem will be solved. In your world spending in the name of compassion is more important than requiring compassionate results.

Sorry but the federal bureaucrats are the problem, not the solution and the past results show that
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Ironic - A 21 trillion debt that is being fueled by the skyrocketing Republican deficits, and is primarily the result of their historical deficits. And then some supposed health plan that the Republican-controlled three branches of Government couldn't come up with, after b****ing and moaning about incessantly in the campaigns. BTW - where is this balanced budget that Trump promised?
 
marke said:
Democrats long for a return to the heady high taxation days of Obama stimulus spending. So many democrat insiders and players made so much unearned money in those wild, drunken, dope-crazed, sex-filled raucous days.
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Yep here is what the left wants to ignore

Obama 842 billion stimulus program still led to 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficit and an 18.9 trillion dollar economy up from the 14.7 trillion dollar economy he inherited.

GW Bush economic growth including the recession of 2008 was 4.5 TRILLION Dollars, Obama with that 842 billion stimulus, govt. spending, created 4.2 trillion in GDP Growth in 8 years

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Conservative said:
So where did the 15 years of revenue go? When you look at the actual budget of the U.S. do you see SS and Medicare in that budget? Why is SS filled with IOU's where did all the contributions go? Doesn't make a lot of sense to have IOU's and not the cash, does it?
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We choose to borrow to fund the government. Borrowing from our own citizens is better than borrowing from foreigners so it makes total sense to borrow the cash flowing into the Treasury.
 
manofknowledge said:
We choose to borrow to fund the government. Borrowing from our own citizens is better than borrowing from foreigners so it makes total sense to borrow the cash flowing into the Treasury.
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Define borrowing and how is borrowing for our own citizens better than borrowing from foreigners as both create debt service and thus add to the deficits? Fact a large percentage of our debt is held by foreign countries.
 
Conservative said:
Define borrowing and how is borrowing for our own citizens better than borrowing from foreigners as both create debt service and thus add to the deficits? Fact a large percentage of our debt is held by foreign countries.
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A Treasury Bond is a loan document. Borrowing from our own citizens is better than borrowing from foreigners precisely because the debt service stays in the country and circulates through our economy.
 
manofknowledge said:
A Treasury Bond is a loan document. Borrowing from our own citizens is better than borrowing from foreigners precisely because the debt service stays in the country and circulates through our economy.
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The problem remains, those bonds have to be converted to Cash so where does the money come from to convert those bonds? Also why don't you do some research and find out how much of our debt is held by foreign countries. I have but it will benefit you to find out
 
Conservative said:
The problem remains, those bonds have to be converted to Cash so where does the money come from to convert those bonds? Also why don't you do some research and find out how much of our debt is held by foreign countries. I have but it will benefit you to find out
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I already know that 40% of the debt is held by foreigners. So what. The cash to convert the bonds comes from the Treasury just like the bonds do. You do know the Treasury has cash?
 
manofknowledge said:
I already know that 40% of the debt is held by foreigners. So what. The cash to convert the bonds comes from the Treasury just like the bonds do. You do know the Treasury has cash?
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OMG, where does Treasury get their cash??
 
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