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The Rich are Robbing the Poor Blind

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...by stealing their future.

.@BetoORourke: "People looking back at this moment will not be able to believe that a country with $21 trillion in debt, with the greatest levels of income disparity that we've seen since the Gilded Age, would find as its solution $2 trillion in tax breaks for the rich."

https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1043310319861264384
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It's really disgusting to see what this country has become.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid spending in 2018

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said Wednesday that congressional Republicans will aim next year to reduce spending on both federal health care and anti-poverty programs, citing the need to reduce America's deficit.

“We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said during an appearance on Ross Kaminsky's talk radio show. "... Frankly, it's the health care entitlements that are the big drivers of our debt, so we spend more time on the health care entitlements — because that's really where the problem lies, fiscally speaking.”
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So, while senators and their betters live to 90 and beyond, the plebes will all begin dropping dead by 60 again. That's one way to control costs. I guess.

Of course, demanding that the rich begin to pay their fair share is out of the question. They insist that getting richer is their right. And, none of the Republican politicians have the stones to deny them that...nor are they motivated to do so.
 
calamity said:
...by stealing their future.



It's really disgusting to see what this country has become.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid spending in 2018



So, while senators and their betters live to 90 and beyond, the plebes will all begin dropping dead by 60 again. That's one way to control costs. I guess.

Of course, demanding that the rich begin to pay their fair share is out of the question. They insist that getting richer is their right. And, none of the Republican politicians have the stones to deny them that...nor are they motivated to do so.
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When the Evangelical Christians choose a leader of the country who is nothing but a flimflam man with a history of scamming desperate people out of their last dollars by driving them deep into credit card debt, I sadly can't see anything changing in this regard. Peer reviewed research published in numerous journals shows all Trump needs to do is show support for White Supremacists, and much of his base will be happy, even while he steals the future from their children.

Why Black Lung Disease Is Deadlier Than Ever Before
As President Trump prepares to send miners back to work, a near-obsolete illness is once again ravaging coal country

Update, February 8, 2017: Since this story was written, NIOSH has published new results in the Journal of the American Medical Association documenting the largest cluster yet of advanced black lung cases. In just three clinics that treat miners in Virginia, Kentucky and West Virginia, 416 new cases of black lung were reported.

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But Trump and family and friends makes their millions:

Trump will personally save up to $15m under tax bill, analysis finds
 
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Hmm... is your definition of robbery simply not getting a 'fair share' of what someone else earned? Why rely on government to take what is rightfully yours?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... is your definition of robbery simply not getting a 'fair share' of what someone else earned? Why rely on government to take what is rightfully yours?
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It's not rightfully theirs. But, you kind of have to be paying attention to understand that.

Did you ever play Monopoly as a kid? If you did, you would have a solid understanding of what happens to the poor as the rich get ever richer.
 
Consumer capitalism is ending so the enormous middle class that was created in the past 60-80 years is no longer needed. This is how you turn off the taps of wealth and revert back to a two-tier society with a much smaller middle class, like it was before. The whole thing is planned and is pretty obvious if you understand economics. It was initiated in the 2008 recession and the next wave will be in the coming couple of years. The massive transfers of public wealth to private hands can only be intentional and a result of this shift.

It's not the government that really controls the economy, it's the private financial institutions and their barons. They initiate the wealth transfers and it's their aristocratic/plutocratic governors who instruct them to do so. Non-fiat money has to be circulated for a consumer economy to thrive otherwise it can't possibly sustain itself. However our entire economy is run on fiat now, as the wealthy convert more and more fiat into real capital before the crash. The writing is on the wall. I believe this is not accidental (i.e. just opportunism), but by design.
 
calamity said:
It's not rightfully theirs. But, you kind of have to be paying attention to understand that.

Did you ever play Monopoly as a kid? If you did, you would have a solid understanding of what happens to the poor as the rich get ever richer.
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Are you kidding me? The fact that you wish that the federal income tax code was different does not mean that those who follow that law are cheating the poor out of their 'rightful' handouts. Do you, personally, pay more to the US treasury each year to help the poor or do you only wish that others would be forced to?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What, exactly, does that have to do with changes in the federal income tax code? Simply because you introduce some off topic point does not mean that I must address it.
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I'm pretty sure I'm 100% dead on topic: "The rich are robbing the poor blind".

Trump, "the rich" (agreed?), is robbing "the poor" (the victims of his flimflam operation, agreed?) blind (by driving them deep into credit card debt, agreed?):

$25 million settlement finalized in Trump University lawsuit


We could also look at Trump and family and friends are making millions, while the poor and middle class are forcing their children to pay the bills:

Trump will personally save up to $15m under tax bill, analysis finds
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Are you kidding me? The fact that you wish that the federal income tax code was different does not mean that those who follow that law are cheating the poor out of their 'rightful' handouts. Do you, personally, pay more to the US treasury each year to help the poor or do you only wish that others would be forced to?
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I've been paying into medicare since 1979, as have millions of other Americans. So, yes. The rich are stealing from me and all the millions of other people.
 
calamity said:
I've been paying into medicare since 1979, as have millions of other Americans. So, yes. The rich are stealing from me and all the millions of other people.
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Has you Medicare been cut? If so, by how much?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Has you Medicare been cut? If so, by how much?
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I'm still busy paying into it. :roll:

But, do continue groveling for your betters. It's fun to see.
 
calamity said:
...by stealing their future.



It's really disgusting to see what this country has become.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid spending in 2018



So, while senators and their betters live to 90 and beyond, the plebes will all begin dropping dead by 60 again. That's one way to control costs. I guess.

Of course, demanding that the rich begin to pay their fair share is out of the question. They insist that getting richer is their right. And, none of the Republican politicians have the stones to deny them that...nor are they motivated to do so.
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WaPo thinks there crap is worth paying for. I don't. So I can't read the article. But from what I read elsewhere, that statement is from 2017 and applies to 2018 goals.

But speaking of fair share, I presume you mean the top 10%, which pay over half the taxes.

It makes one wonder how much the 50% who pay less than nothing are stealing from the nation's future.
 
calamity said:
I'm still busy paying into it. :roll:

But, do continue groveling for your betters. It's fun to see.
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Do continue telling us about the cuts that you have not experienced.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Do continue telling us about the cuts that you have not experienced.
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Uh, you could--you know--read the article in the op and then join the discussion. Try it sometime.
 
calamity said:
I've been paying into medicare since 1979, as have millions of other Americans. So, yes. The rich are stealing from me and all the millions of other people.
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I can't make your connection. You've been paying into Medicare and SS since 1979. OK. You have. But how is that benefiting the rich, who also have been paying the same or more and get the same? Are they receiving a cut of the payments?

If you have complaint, it seems to me that it's the government stealing your money and doling it out as they see fit.
 
calamity said:
Uh, you could--you know--read the article in the op and then join the discussion. Try it sometime.
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The OP link is a 2017 prediction of what Ryan says that he will do in 2018. Perhaps a link to what was actually done would warrant discussion.

By Jeff Stein December 6, 2017
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said Wednesday that congressional Republicans will aim next year to reduce spending on both federal health care and anti-poverty programs, citing the need to reduce America's deficit.
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calamity said:
...by stealing their future.



It's really disgusting to see what this country has become.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid spending in 2018



So, while senators and their betters live to 90 and beyond, the plebes will all begin dropping dead by 60 again. That's one way to control costs. I guess.

Of course, demanding that the rich begin to pay their fair share is out of the question. They insist that getting richer is their right. And, none of the Republican politicians have the stones to deny them that...nor are they motivated to do so.
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and some of the poor actually vote for this and defend it. wait until they see the fruit.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... is your definition of robbery simply not getting a 'fair share' of what someone else earned? Why rely on government to take what is rightfully yours?
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No, robbery on this context is the suppressed earning power of middle income America. You might want to read up on the subject, it effects you too, but your politics keep you blind to that fact.
 
jet57 said:
No, robbery on this context is the suppressed earning power of middle income America. You might want to read up on the subject, it effects you too, but your politics keep you blind to that fact.
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My earning power is not the least bit suppressed by the rich - they pay me quite well, actually, often more than my bill.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
My earning power is not the least bit suppressed by the rich - they pay me quite well, actually, often more than my bill.
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Which explains the groveling
 
ttwtt78640 said:
My earning power is not the least bit suppressed by the rich - they pay me quite well, actually, often more than my bill.
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But, they'll only pay you so much - right? Because you're not the only game in town.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... is your definition of robbery simply not getting a 'fair share' of what someone else earned? Why rely on government to take what is rightfully yours?
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That depends on what you think the government is there for: is it there for the benefit of the people, or is it there for the benefit of businesses?

This is one of the few countries where a large chunk of the electorate, right or wrong, would answer that "what is good for businesses is good for America, and therefore good for the people." And under some circumstances, it does look that way; we were on top of the economic world in the mid-20th century, and labor, being in high demand, did pretty well. Companies paid us enough to live well, they paid for our health insurance, and some of them were philanthropic.

But those days are gone. What remains is an oligarchy, and enough suckers that still believe that businesses will again save the day, if only we deregulate/lower taxes/erect tariffs/etc.

The only thing that makes Americans say that "taxation is theft" (or words to that effect) is nostalgia. Europe, especially post WWII, saw things from a different angle, and didn't build their societies around the business world. It's not an illegitimate way to view the role of government at all. I'd say it's the better way.
 
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