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AmazonGo & Mass Unemployment

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Amazon Go opens first Chicago location of its cashierless convenience store

Amazon’s cashierless stores are designed to spare time-crunched shoppers from waiting in the checkout line. But when Chicago’s first Amazon Go store opened Monday morning, most shoppers were taking their time to browse the selection of grab-and-go food items and get used to the idea of picking up their purchases and leaving without formally paying.
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Critics fear the technology is an attempt to run stores with fewer employees. Gianna Puerini, vice president of Amazon Go, said getting rid of traditional checkout wasn’t about eliminating workers, but rather getting rid of part of the bricks-and-mortar shopping experience most customers wouldn’t miss — particularly the busy professionals working near its store in the Loop.

Amazon is considering opening as many as 3,000 cashierless stores by 2021

I've walked past this store yesterday on my lunch break. (There was too long of a queue of curious tourists to enter the store.) Though Amazon explicitly denies this above, I can absolutely see this technology as well as self-service kiosks as paths to severely reduce or eliminate cashiers. What's not mentioned is that cashiers are the second most common job in the United States, after sales clerks, coming in at around 3.5 million Americans.

The Chicago Amazon Go store is also a couple blocks from a completely un-staffed Bank of America location. Should you require the services of a banker – say to open a checking account – there are three video conferencing rooms that immediately connect you to a remote banker. I'm not a BoA customer so I have no idea of those bankers are USA-based, or say located in a lower cost region like Mexico or South America.

Number of American tellers: 500,000

Or have you seen the autonomous car technology that is currently in it's infancy?

Number of American taxi drivers: 250,000
Number of American truckers: 3.5 million

It definitely makes you think of the severe challenges we'll be faced with over the next few decades in keeping people employed at livable wages. In previous iterations of technological advances, the improvements made existing human workers more effective at their jobs and the markets compensated by finding new outlets for unskilled labor. Here ... I'm not that confident. There's a stark difference between an employee become more productive, and therefore letting her colleague go; and the situation where both employees are being outright replaced.

I, for one, hope that economists and policy makers make economic experimenting a priority over the next few decades. Ideas like Universal Basic Income (UBI) sound promising to me. Ideas like 'make work' jobs or government programs like FDR's CCC less so.

Edit: Drat wrong forum -- Mods: Can this be moved to the General Political Discussion?
 
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But, but, Trump said the forever corporate tax breaks would result in companies hiring more people.
 
But, but, Trump said the forever corporate tax breaks would result in companies hiring more people.

The largest American corporations were already flush with cash at the onset of the tax break. They've just used the additional money to perform stock buy-backs and shareholder distributions.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/17/investing/stock-buybacks-tax-cuts/index.html

S&P 500 companies rewarded shareholders with $384 billion worth of buybacks during the first half of 2018, according to a Goldman Sachs report published Friday. That big bonanza for Wall Street is up 48% from last year and reflects spiking profitability thanks to corporate tax cuts and the strong US economy.

But that doesn't mean companies aren't spending on job-creating investments, like new equipment, research projects and factories. Business spending is up 19% — it's just that buybacks are growing much faster.

In fact, Goldman Sachs said that buybacks are garnering the largest share of cash spending by S&P 500 firms. It's a milestone because capital spending had represented the single largest use of cash by corporations in 19 of the past 20 years.
 
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But, but, Trump said the forever corporate tax breaks would result in companies hiring more people.

To be fair, Trump hates Jeff Bezos. Maybe he'll tweet about this article tonight.
 
The largest American corporations were already flush with cash at the onset of the tax break. They've just used the additional money to perform stock buy-backs and shareholder distributions.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/17/investing/stock-buybacks-tax-cuts/index.html

I'm aware of that. Just regurgitating the Trump/GOP talking-points for why the corporate tax breaks were supposedly good for the American worker.

Anyone with a brain knew they were selling a bunch of hooey.
 
Ideas like Universal Basic Income (UBI) sound promising to me.

I agree, both with problem description and I think, inevitably, the above...
 
I wouldn't call this "infancy":
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You can reserve them now, UPS already has IIRC.

The technology exists, but nearly every first-hand account I've ever read say it's still pretty crappy at this stage. ("Drives like my blind grandmother!") ... I'm quite comfortable in saying or believing that we have 5-10 years until it becomes a threat.
 
Amazon Go opens first Chicago location of its cashierless convenience store



Amazon is considering opening as many as 3,000 cashierless stores by 2021

I've walked past this store yesterday on my lunch break. (There was too long of a queue of curious tourists to enter the store.) Though Amazon explicitly denies this above, I can absolutely see this technology as well as self-service kiosks as paths to severely reduce or eliminate cashiers. What's not mentioned is that cashiers are the second most common job in the United States, after sales clerks, coming in at around 3.5 million Americans.

The Chicago Amazon Go store is also a couple blocks from a completely un-staffed Bank of America location. Should you require the services of a banker – say to open a checking account – there are three video conferencing rooms that immediately connect you to a remote banker. I'm not a BoA customer so I have no idea of those bankers are USA-based, or say located in a lower cost region like Mexico or South America.

Number of American tellers: 500,000

Or have you seen the autonomous car technology that is currently in it's infancy?

Number of American taxi drivers: 250,000
Number of American truckers: 3.5 million

It definitely makes you think of the severe challenges we'll be faced with over the next few decades in keeping people employed at livable wages. In previous iterations of technological advances, the improvements made existing human workers more effective at their jobs and the markets compensated by finding new outlets for unskilled labor. Here ... I'm not that confident. There's a stark difference between an employee become more productive, and therefore letting her colleague go; and the situation where both employees are being outright replaced.

I, for one, hope that economists and policy makers make economic experimenting a priority over the next few decades. Ideas like Universal Basic Income (UBI) sound promising to me. Ideas like 'make work' jobs or government programs like FDR's CCC less so.

Edit: Drat wrong forum -- Mods: Can this be moved to the General Political Discussion?

Fifteen dollars an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; don't worry, socialism can always bailout capitalism.
 
Fifteen dollars an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; don't worry, socialism can always bailout capitalism.

It never has in history, it cannot stand on its own legs without wealth created by capitalism.
 
The technology exists, but nearly every first-hand account I've ever read say it's still pretty crappy at this stage. ("Drives like my blind grandmother!") ... I'm quite comfortable in saying or believing that we have 5-10 years until it becomes a threat.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ups-pre-orders-125-tesla-semi-electric-trucks/

That's a pretty big investment to tie up for 5-10 years.

The tier 2 automotive company I work for is making parts for autonomous vehicles on one of it's lines as I type this.
 
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