Should Americans that Want the Wall Built Pay More Income Tax To Fund the Wall?

concernedpuma said:

The wall isn't a folly. It is a practical means for, or at least a honest attempt at, halting illegal immigration. Surely, you aren't suggesting that the NO WALL option is more effective. If the President's idea for a wall isn't a complete success, at least he is trying. What other President(either party) would you point to, that has done more?.
Regards,
CP

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The wall is an solution looking for a problem.

1) When illegals entering our country are summed with those leaving … it's a net zero solution.
2) Illegals pay more in taxes than they remove in benefits.
3) Illegals are doing work that needs done and goes wanting otherwise.

There's a long list of reasons why illegals aren't the "problem" tRump want's them to be; try google if you don't believe me.

The certainly aren't a 20 Billion dollar wall problem. Which is why you don't find other presidents that have done more, which btw, so far, tRump has done nothing but break up family's cost money and accomplished … nothing substantive.

StuPedaso said:

The wall is an solution looking for a problem.

1) When illegals entering our country are summed with those leaving … it's a net zero solution.
2) Illegals pay more in taxes than they remove in benefits.
3) Illegals are doing work that needs done and goes wanting otherwise.

There's a long list of reasons why illegals aren't the "problem" tRump want's them to be; try google if you don't believe me.

The certainly aren't a 20 Billion dollar wall problem. Which is why you don't find other presidents that have done more, which btw, so far, tRump has done nothing but break up family's cost money and accomplished … nothing substantive.

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I respectfully disagree by point....
1) When illegals entering our country are summed with those leaving … it's a net zero solution.
That is a angelic, presumed, and unprovable point. You understand that the definition of Illegal immigrant means that any legal system to evaluate those numbers is necessarily corrupt.

2) Illegals pay more in taxes than they remove in benefits.
Without SS numbers, where would you fid those numbers. So far as I know, there isn't a line on Federal income tax forms for reporting taxes withheld from illegal immigrants.

3) Illegals are doing work that needs done and goes wanting otherwise.
This one hurts to the heart. The idea that America would allow people into our country, only to do the most objectionable jobs, is awful. Any legal immigrant that enters our country should be allowed to compete for upper level positions. This leftist argument of illegal immigrants being our garbage collectors is hideous. Pay garbage collector's what the job is worth and you'll fill the jobs.
By the way, Respect is a two way street, right? It is President Trump. I Believe you wrote tRump in error.
Regards,
CP

concernedpuma said:

I respectfully disagree by point....
1) When illegals entering our country are summed with those leaving … it's a net zero solution.
That is a angelic, presumed, and unprovable point. You understand that the definition of Illegal immigrant means that any legal system to evaluate those numbers is necessarily corrupt.

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we are experiencing a net outflow of illegal, undocumented workers from America back to Mexico
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/apr/26/ron-kind/yes-experiencing-net-outflow-illegal-undocumented-/

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concernedpuma said:

2) Illegals pay more in taxes than they remove in benefits.
Without SS numbers, where would you fid those numbers. So far as I know, there isn't a line on Federal income tax forms for reporting taxes withheld from illegal immigrants.

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Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in federal taxes each year

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes

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concernedpuma said:

3) Illegals are doing work that needs done and goes wanting otherwise.
This one hurts to the heart. The idea that America would allow people into our country, only to do the most objectionable jobs, is awful. Any legal immigrant that enters our country should be allowed to compete for upper level positions.

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It isn't a "leftist or rightest argument", it's a simple fact and it's been that way going back to the 1800's.

concernedpuma said:

This leftist argument of illegal immigrants being our garbage collectors is hideous. Pay garbage collector's what the job is worth and you'll fill the jobs.

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Most garbage collectors are municipal or unionized, that job isn't the problem. But, back to the subject, the wall would keep out people that WANT to do our gardening, plaster our houses, clean our houses and harvest and cook our food. They are skilled at those jobs and do a great job of it. Not only don't "most" Americans want to do those jobs, they don't know how.

HumblePi said:

There have already been several different fundraisers where contributors can donate their own money to fund the building of the wall. 'Buy A Brick For the Wall', 'Border Wall Bricks' and 'Bricks for Trump' are only a few, there's tons of them online trying to grab money from unsuspecting Trump supporters who believe this money will actually go directly to Trump to build the wall. So, a word to the wise, be cautious there.

My question, and I'm serious here, is whether or not Republican supporters of Trump and the wall want it so badly that they would be willing to have their income taxed at a higher rate each week with the express intention that this increase be deposited directly into a government piggy bank in order to fund the wall?

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Yes.

Here's the thing...

If you consider the construction of a wall along our southern border to fall under "national defense", appropriations should be in a defense bill, but that's not the rationale being used to justify building the wall.

If you consider the construction of a wall along our southern border to fall under "immigration" which it does, then appropriations should be in an immigration reform bill, but how do you justify appropriations here except as a "construction project"? Hence, that leaves appropriations for a "jobs bill".

The only way appropriations for the border wall would come under a "jobs bill" is Congress would have to view its construction as part of the "general welfare" and "public interest/works project". Unfortunately, (if memory serves me correctly) Congress has already passed a jobs bill under a Trump presidency.

If none of the above is deemed suitable or appropriate to appropriate funds from Congress to built the wall, then yes, supporters of the wall can break out their checkbooks, empty their wallets or swip their debit/credit cards to fund the wall.

StuPedaso said:

It isn't a "leftist or rightest argument", it's a simple fact and it's been that way going back to the 1800's.



Most garbage collectors are municipal or unionized, that job isn't the problem. But, back to the subject, the wall would keep out people that WANT to do our gardening, plaster our houses, clean our houses and harvest and cook our food. They are skilled at those jobs and do a great job of it. Not only don't "most" Americans want to do those jobs, they don't know how.

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Item 1... did you miss this part.... There are no perfect statistics when it comes to illegal immigration — it’s inherently impossible to track accurately.
I had already told you that.

I might have gone further in your site direction, but your direction was clear and politicalized.
Please don't send me to sites that confirm what you want to posit. Rather, find some neutral sites from which we can both learn.
And exactly where did this come from...
Most garbage collectors are municipal or unionized(not so. SIC), that job isn't the problem. But, back to the subject, the wall would keep out people that WANT to do our gardening, plaster our houses, clean our houses and harvest and cook our food. They are skilled at those jobs and do a great job of it. Not only don't "most" Americans want to do those jobs, they don't know how.[/QUOTE]
Quote? From whom?
Regards,
CP


Regards,
CP

I’m not going back and forth with you on this. Your minds made up and so is mine. The difference is I’ve worked with illegals a good portion of my lif. Yes they’ve been doing Ag and domestic work since a long time before I was born. Everything I read and my own experience indicates illegal immigration from Mexico is on the decline.

So, sorry to tell you but tRumps FOLLY is a solution without a problem. :2wave:

StuPedaso said:

I’m not going back and forth with you on this. Your minds made up and so is mine. The difference is I’ve worked with illegals a good portion of my lif. Yes they’ve been doing Ag and domestic work since a long time before I was born. Everything I read and my own experience indicates illegal immigration from Mexico is on the decline.

So, sorry to tell you but tRumps FOLLY is a solution without a problem. :2wave:

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I respect your decision to disengage on this topic. As you wrote, your opinions and mine are cast. Just a parting reminder, it is President Trump, not tRump.
Regards,
CP