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[W:1422] Federal Deficit Soars

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Despite Strong Economy, Federal Deficit Soars

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8/3/18

On a muggy morning this week, a group of bankers and investment managers met at The Hay-Adams Hotel in Washington, D.C. They got an update from the Treasury Department about government cash flows and, according to minutes of the meeting, the picture wasn't pretty. Corporate tax receipts are down for the year, while government spending is up. Even with a fast-growing economy, the Treasury Department expects to borrow more than $750 billion to pay its bills during the last six months of this year. "The federal budget deficit is ballooning, skyrocketing, soaring, whichever way you want to describe it," said longtime fiscal watchdog Stan Collender, who blogs about federal finances as "The Budget Guy." "You've got a kind of perfect storm here," Collender said. "You've got more spending. You've got less revenue. And the deficit is just getting bigger and bigger, to the point where it will be at least a trillion dollars every year during the Trump administration and beyond." Even the White House's own rosy forecast acknowledges that the deficit will exceed 5 percent of the overall economy next year — a level it has previously reached only after deep recessions when unemployment topped 10 percent. Today, the economy is near full employment. But the government is still acting like a spendthrift family, piling up credit card bills even though times are good. "It's close to unprecedented," Collender said. "When the economy is doing well, which it's obviously doing and has done for a decade, you would want a fiscal policy that would get the deficit to go down, not up."

But policymakers in Washington have gone in precisely the opposite direction. Earlier this year, Congress boosted spending on both the military and domestic programs. And then there is the tax cut, which the president bragged about at a campaign rally this week. "We passed the biggest tax cuts and reform in American history. Biggest cuts in history," Trump told supporters in Tampa, Fla. "Let me be 100 percent clear about one thing: The tax cuts are never going to pay for themselves," said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. "They can grow the economy, but not enough to come anywhere close to offsetting the cost of them." Like a family that has maxed out its credit cards, policymakers may have less room to maneuver the next time they're confronted with an actual crisis, as a result of the government's mounting debt load. "Last time we had a recession, our debt was half the level it is today, relative to the economy," MacGuineas said. "That meant we had a lot of fiscal tools to help respond. But as our debt gets higher, our ability to respond to a recession or another kind of crisis is definitely much more difficult." The growing deficit also means higher borrowing costs. So far this fiscal year, growth in Social Security, Medicare and defense spending have all been eclipsed by rising interest on the debt.

Due to the Trump/GOP tax-cut-giveaway of 2017, the wealthy are getting richer and the US Treasury is forced to borrow increasing amounts to stay afloat.

Under current law, the federal government will spend more on Interest than it does on Defense by 2024.

Related: How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion
 
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He is going to bankrupt us!!!!

STOP HIM


IMPEACH
 
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Despite Strong Economy, Federal Deficit Soars

lovely-america-is-the-land-of-opportunity-quote-what-is-the-american-dream-history-quotes.jpg




Due to the Trump/GOP tax-cut-giveaway of 2017, the wealthy are getting richer and the US Treasury is forced to borrow increasing amounts to stay afloat.

Under current law, the federal government will spend more on Interest than it does on Defense by 2024.

Related: How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion

All this "progress"--and there has not been much of it so far this year to speak of--has been financed by the Republican government. Amazing how some people are so willing to accept massive deficits when the Republicans do it!
 
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All this "progress"--and there has not been much of it so far this year to speak of--has been financed by the Republican government. Amazing how some people are so willing to accept massive deficits when the Republicans do it!

The Republican Party used to stand for fiscal responsibility. Now both parties spend, spend, spend, but Trump is really spending.
 
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The Republican Party used to stand for fiscal responsibility. Now both parties spend, spend, spend, but Trump is really spending.

When we have a Republican president, the deficit goes up. When we have a Democratic president, the deficit goes down.

This simple fact is one of the single most difficult facts for the Right to accept. They will twist, turn, and twiddle with the numbers to show that when you add a positive number, the result goes down, but no spin of theirs can change the facts.
 
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Yep, who knew that congress critters spending more than they dare ask for in taxation could ever be a problem?
 
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The Republican Party used to stand for fiscal responsibility. Now both parties spend, spend, spend, but Trump is really spending.

Yep, the party for a bigger federal government having the congressional majority is acting much like the party for a huge federal government having the congressional majority. So long as the current voters don't seem to mind then why worry about passing (ever more?) additional national debt on to future generations?

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151
 
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Yep, the party for a bigger federal government having the congressional majority is acting much like the party for a huge federal government having the congressional majority. So long as the current voters don't seem to mind then why worry about passing (ever more?) additional national debt on to future generations?

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

I was wrong. I was confusing deficit with debt. Actually Clinton and Obama are the only recent presidents that reduced the national deficit.
 
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He is going to bankrupt us!!!!

STOP HIM


IMPEACH

Hmm... do your really believe the congress critters who passed the 'budget' and tax cuts that caused the huge deficit are likely to try to blame (impeach) Trump for simply approving of (signing into law) their nonsense?
 
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I was wrong. I was confusing deficit with debt. Actually Clinton and Obama are the only recent presidents that reduced the national deficit.

Yep, and that happened with which party having a congressional majority?
 
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Re: the OP -

Was there ever any doubt?

And when the next economic downturn occurs, that debt service is going to bite us in the ass as our revenue receipts fall.
 
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Who cares about who decreased the deficit. Has either party seriously put a dent into the national debt? No. So who cares? It's just a pissing contest. Both parties are controlled by those who profit from the debt, not those who pay it.
 
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Re: the OP -

Was there ever any doubt?

And when the next economic downturn occurs, that debt service is going to bite us in the ass as our revenue receipts fall.

Has it mattered ever since we've become a purely fiat currency? Japan is at 250% debt to GDP. They have an inflation rate of 0.7% and their 10-year yields 0.11%.
 
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Has it mattered ever since we've become a purely fiat currency? Japan is at 250% debt to GDP. They have an inflation rate of 0.7% and their 10-year yields 0.11%.
It matters in as much as we have to service that debt as a percentage of expenditures, yes.
 
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It matters in as much as we have to service that debt as a percentage of expenditures, yes.

Bad credit only matters when nobody will lend you any more - see Greece.
 
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It matters in as much as we have to service that debt as a percentage of expenditures, yes.

I get the thought, but it doesn't really seem to work that way in practice. People have been predicting that Japan would default for decades now. At what point are they just wrong?
 
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Despite Strong Economy, Federal Deficit Soars

lovely-america-is-the-land-of-opportunity-quote-what-is-the-american-dream-history-quotes.jpg




Due to the Trump/GOP tax-cut-giveaway of 2017, the wealthy are getting richer and the US Treasury is forced to borrow increasing amounts to stay afloat.

Under current law, the federal government will spend more on Interest than it does on Defense by 2024.

Related: How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion

Just a note to add. Russia sold its' US Treasuries to the tune of 70+ billion dollars or synonomously called the debt in on Russian loans to the USA. US Treasuries are loans. Some debtors, when faced with insurmountable debt, play out the string. You know, like Madoff, just keep borrowing more until the fraudulent nature of the collaterol becomes obvious. Now, all the USA owes is the "full faith and credit" of the US Treasury, and I'm not sure that means anything can be collected in a collapse. Trump's specialty, don't ya' know? This year's interest on our debt about $500 billion. That's a liability. No problem. "Privatize the assets (give collaterol with value to the wealthy 1/10th of 1%), and socialize the liabilities (give the debt to the 99.9%) and you, me and Grandma are the 99.9%. Have a nice day.
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Bad credit only matters when nobody will lend you any more - see Greece.

Exactly, and debt to GDP doesn't seem to bear any relationship to when people will stop lending money.
 
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Despite Strong Economy, Federal Deficit Soars

lovely-america-is-the-land-of-opportunity-quote-what-is-the-american-dream-history-quotes.jpg




Due to the Trump/GOP tax-cut-giveaway of 2017, the wealthy are getting richer and the US Treasury is forced to borrow increasing amounts to stay afloat.

Under current law, the federal government will spend more on Interest than it does on Defense by 2024.

Related: How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion

Oh hey, check it out ya'll; Deficits are Bad again. :)
 
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Despite Strong Economy, Federal Deficit Soars

lovely-america-is-the-land-of-opportunity-quote-what-is-the-american-dream-history-quotes.jpg




Due to the Trump/GOP tax-cut-giveaway of 2017, the wealthy are getting richer and the US Treasury is forced to borrow increasing amounts to stay afloat.

Under current law, the federal government will spend more on Interest than it does on Defense by 2024.

Related: How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion

Tax cut economics is worthless if it doesn't cover spending.
 
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Oh hey, check it out ya'll; Deficits are Bad again. :)

Deficits are neither good nor bad. They are a tool, and like all tools, can be misused.
 
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Oh hey, check it out ya'll; Deficits are Bad again. :)

The interest payments to service our increasing loans is growing at a breakneck rate.

When the next bubble bursts, we're pretty much ****ed. They'll be no revenue cushion to soften the blow.
 
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when a republican is in the white house deficits don't matter. the reason is all that money is being borrowed to enrich the rich. Goes all the.way back to Reagan. He started it. when he took office the national debt was less than 1 trillion. when he left it was over 3 trillion. every republican president since has doubled down on deficit.spending.

when democrats are in the white house they might spend some money that helps.the middle/working.class. Republicans have worked very hard to keep that class down. they can't let anything happen that might get their foot off our neck.

Republican's? fiscal conservatives? what a joke.

not to mention all the.way back to hoover the.economy, the stock market and the middle class have.always done better when a Democrat is in the white house.
 
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