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GOP tax cut not why economy is booming

You do realize people go in there just to keep you going, because they know it's all you've got. If it weren't for GW Bush, you would have a career here.

so just to be clear, you're not going to go into the thread and whine at the people who post "it just cant be one person's fault." Not surprised. Anyhoo, you should try to read it sometime. You'll see conservatives (and conservative like posters) wishing the thread would go away. Just like you, they don't like facts.
 
"Oh, American. I have already debunked and destroyed your entire reason for being, and still, con, you persist. I can understand that conservatives are idiots, but you, you're a special one. Let me repeat this, and try to read it slowly. I've linked a dictionary for you to help you understand the multiple syllable words..."

Did I get that ^ right? Did I at least capture the essence?

you forgot to use "anyhoo".
 
So, let me get this straight -I'm supposed the scut work wading through a four year old thread in which the last post was six months ago to prove what YOU CLAIM. . Not me that needs educating, Vern.

Well first off, reading the thread would be good practice. Who knows, you might just learn something. And some people enjoy seeing conservative (and conservative like posters) flailing about foolishly. But you kinda have to read it to see the constant refrain of "doom is coming". But since reading aint your thing, here's a good one.

QE ended a while back as it was forced to do. It got replaced with printing money which also has a limited shelf life.
We are at the end of this and have done nothing but make the crash more painful.
Dont you think there is a reason BO doesnt care anymore ?

You really should read it to see the anger directed at me celebrating the Great Obama Bull Market.
 
Well first off, reading the thread would be good practice. Who knows, you might just learn something. And some people enjoy seeing conservative (and conservative like posters) flailing about foolishly. But you kinda have to read it to see the constant refrain of "doom is coming". But since reading aint your thing, here's a good one.
Sure, whatever you say. :roll:


vern said:
You really should read it to see the anger directed at me celebrating the Great Obama Bull Market.
Obama "bull market"? Just imagine what it might have done if didn't have to drag the Obamanomics boat anchor for eight years.
 
Obama "bull market"? Just imagine what it might have done if didn't have to drag the Obamanomics boat anchor for eight years.

silly narratives like that is probably why conservative (and conservative like posters) got so angry in the thread. you'd fit right in. Of course that was back in the day when conservative (and conservative like posters) still believed republicans were going to "fix" the deficit. Get ready for more inconvenient reality.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/history-shows-stocks-gdp-outperform-under-democrats
 
I'm pretty sure that if you look into it you'll find that the United States is one of the wealthiest (if not THE wealthiest) nations on the planet.

Yes, no other nation was wealthy enough to accrue $21 trill in debt! :lol:

Thx :)
 
GOP tax cut not why economy is booming

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Postcard size tax returns. Yet another blatant lie by the GOP. The two clowns in back can hardly suppress a laugh.



Trump is saying right now that if North Korea denuclearizes, he will make North Korea very, very rich. Why not make Middle America very, very rich Mr. Trump instead of the already ultra-wealthy and your wealthy GOP donors?

Your tax cut bamboozle certainly hasn't made anyone I know take off for Disneyland or Vegas because they are now very, very rich.

We should have been asking for a grant or two, and a decent line of credit from the World Bank, for reunification.
 
GOP tax cut not why economy is booming


Postcard size tax returns. Yet another blatant lie by the GOP. The two clowns in back can hardly suppress a laugh.[/ZE]



Trump is saying right now that if North Korea denuclearizes, he will make North Korea very, very rich. Why not make Middle America very, very rich Mr. Trump instead of the already ultra-wealthy and your wealthy GOP donors?

Your tax cut bamboozle certainly hasn't made anyone I know take off for Disneyland or Vegas because they are now very, very rich.


Hes not making anyone rich, that only comes from work. And even if he cut the tax rate to 0 for middle america, they still wouldnt be rich, because they dont pay very much in the first place. And they dont possess the skills or capital to get rich (and they would waste what they have on Disney and Vegas).
 
Trump is benefiting from the tail end of an economic expansion that began the eleventh month of Obama's first year in office. Since Trump's inauguration the unemployment rate has declined 0.7%. That is nice, but it is nothing to get excited about.

US Unemployment Rate by Month
 
Trump is benefiting from the tail end of an economic expansion that began the eleventh month of Obama's first year in office. Since Trump's inauguration the unemployment rate has declined 0.7%. That is nice, but it is nothing to get excited about.
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US Unemployment Rate by Month

Keep trying to prop up failure, Obama's record is there for all to actually see but you are blinded by your own ideology. Obama's economy was so good he created part time jobs, never had GDP over 3%, lost the House in 2010-2012 and the Congress in 2014-2016, added 9.3 trillion to the debt and left Trump with a 1.@% GDP growth and 9.4% U-6 unemployment rate. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty a you are showing?? Rather than buying rhetoric how about posting actual results in CONTEXT to support your claims?

Think this had anything to do with the job employment numbers?

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands

Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2008 to 2018

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 4846 4902 4904 5220 5286 5540 5930 5851 6148 6690 7311 8029
2009 8046 8796 9145 8908 9113 9024 8891 9029 8847 8979 9114 9098
2010 8530 8936 9233 9178 8845 8577 8500 8800 9246 8837 8873 8935
2011 8470 8464 8645 8652 8576 8427 8281 8788 9166 8657 8447 8171
2012 8305 8238 7775 7913 8101 8072 8082 7974 8671 8203 8166 7943
2013 8151 8178 7722 7964 7937 8103 8099 7816 7764 7936 7718 7827
2014 7302 7304 7451 7516 7260 7425 7400 7169 7007 7031 6885 6817
2015 6820 6693 6653 6622 6643 6386 6234 6411 6025 5807 6159 6027
2016 5960 6021 6099 6027 6491 5751 5898 5977 5893 5955 5719 5554
2017 5776 5670 5500 5309 5268 5264 5236 5209 5148 4880 4851 4915
2018 4989 5160 5019 4985 4948
 
Good News: The Booming Trump Economy Looks 'Unstoppable'



In the face of persistent fears that the world could be facing a trade war and a synchronized slowdown, the U.S. economy enters June with a good deal of momentum.

Friday's data provided convincing evidence that domestic growth remains intact even if other developed economies are slowing. A better-than-expected nonfarm payrolls report coupled with a convincing uptick in manufacturing and construction activity showed that the second half approaches with a tail wind blowing.

"The fundamentals all look very solid right now," said Gus Faucher, chief economist at PNC. "You've got job growth and wage gains that are supporting consumer spending, and tax cuts as well. There's a little bit of a drag from higher energy prices, but the positives far outweigh that. Business incentives are in good shape."

The day started off with the payrolls report showing a gain of 223,000 in May, well above market expectations of 188,000, and the unemployment rate hitting an 18-year low of 3.8 percent.

Then, the ISM manufacturing index registered a 58.7 reading — representing the percentage of businesses that report expanding conditions — that also topped Wall Street estimates. Finally, the construction spending report showed a monthly gain of 1.8 percent, a full point higher than expectations.

Put together, the data helped fuel expectations that first-quarter growth of 2.2 percent will be the low-water point of 2018.
Already, the Atlanta Fed's GDPNow tracker sees the second quarter rising by 4.8 percent:shock:
Department of Labor: "For the first time on record, the number of American job openings exceeds the number of job seekers.



https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/the-us-economy-suddenly-looks-like-its-unstoppable.html

Right now the spinmeisters at DNC are busy trying to come up with ways to show how this is all terrible news or credit goes to Obama. :lamo
 
Keep trying to prop up failure, Obama's record is there for all to actually see but you are blinded by your own ideology. Obama's economy was so good he created part time jobs, never had GDP over 3%, lost the House in 2010-2012 and the Congress in 2014-2016, added 9.3 trillion to the debt and left Trump with a 1.@% GDP growth and 9.4% U-6 unemployment rate. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty a you are showing?? Rather than buying rhetoric how about posting actual results in CONTEXT to support your claims?

Think this had anything to do with the job employment numbers?

Actually, I was off by 0.3%. When Trump was inaugurated the unemployment rate was 4.8%. At the end of May 2018 it was 3.8%.

The unemployment has been declining fairly steadily since November 2009.

National Employment Monthly Update
 
Actually, I was off by 0.3%. When Trump was inaugurated the unemployment rate was 4.8%. At the end of May 2018 it was 3.8%.

The unemployment has been declining fairly steadily since November 2009.

National Employment Monthly Update
As I have stated over and over again context matters do you realize what generates the unemployment rate. That rate is skewed by the underemployed. The U6 is the better and should be the official rate to judge economic performance.

The u-6 rate under Obama average 13.3% any left Trump with a 9.4% rate. It is now 7.6%

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As I have stated over and over again context matters do you realize what generates the unemployment rate. That rate is skewed by the underemployed. The U6 is the better and should be the official rate to judge economic performance.

The u-6 rate under Obama average 13.3% any left Trump with a 9.4% rate. It is now 7.6%

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My statistics come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. There is no reason to suppose that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has calculated the unemployment rate differently since the inauguration of Trump.
 
My statistics come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. There is no reason to suppose that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has calculated the unemployment rate differently since the inauguration of Trump.

Never said the BLS data was wrong, just incomplete unless of course you believe a part time employee for economic reasons is the same as a full time employee. If so then we have a serious problem. You see, that is what Obama created and that will always skew the official unemployment data which is why the U-6 is correct and the measurement of how good the economic performance is regarding jobs.

I continue to post that data but it doesn't resonate because that isn't what you want to believe. WHY?? Why is the U-3 rate so much better for you to use vs. the U-6?? Do you know the difference?? If not why don't you find out?
 
As I have stated over and over again context matters do you realize what generates the unemployment rate. That rate is skewed by the underemployed. The U6 is the better and should be the official rate to judge economic performance.

The u-6 rate under Obama average 13.3% any left Trump with a 9.4% rate. It is now 7.6%

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"Averaged?" That's not how this works.

U-6 has been dropping since 2009 too. It's a continuation that has nothing to do with Swampy's policies.

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"Averaged?" That's not how this works.

U-6 has been dropping since 2009 too. It's a continuation that has nothing to do with Swampy's policies.

fredgraph.png


So 9.4% is acceptable to you at a cost of 9.3 trillion to the debt and never getting back to pre recession levels?? Just goes to show how you accept poor performance when a liberal is in the WH

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS13327709
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (seas) Total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of all civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers
Labor force status: Aggregated totals unemployed
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over
Percent/rates: Unemployed and mrg attached and pt for econ reas as percent of labor force plus marg attached
Years: 2008 to 2018

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 9.2 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.7 10.1 10.5 10.8 11.0 11.8 12.6 13.6
2009 14.2 15.2 15.8 15.9 16.5 16.5 16.4 16.7 16.7 17.1 17.1 17.1
2010 16.7 17.0 17.1 17.1 16.6 16.4 16.4 16.5 16.8 16.6 16.9 16.6
2011 16.2 16.0 15.9 16.1 15.8 16.1 15.9 16.1 16.4 15.8 15.5 15.2
2012 15.2 15.0 14.5 14.6 14.7 14.8 14.8 14.6 14.8 14.4 14.4 14.4
2013 14.6 14.4 13.8 14.0 13.8 14.2 13.8 13.6 13.5 13.6 13.1 13.1
2014 12.7 12.7 12.7 12.3 12.1 12.0 12.1 11.9 11.7 11.5 11.4 11.2
2015 11.3 11.0 10.9 10.9 10.8 10.4 10.3 10.2 10.0 9.8 9.9 9.9
2016 9.9 9.7 9.8 9.8 9.8 9.5 9.7 9.6 9.7 9.6 9.3 9.1
2017 9.4 9.2 8.8 8.6 8.4 8.5 8.5 8.6 8.3 8.0 8.0 8.1
2018 8.2 8.2 8.0 7.8 7.6
 
So 9.4% is acceptable to you at a cost of 9.3 trillion to the debt and never getting back to pre recession levels?? Just goes to show how you accept poor performance when a liberal is in the WH
You are merely displaying your partisanship. U6 dropped in a near straight-line since 2009. Had Obama been allowed to have a 3rd term, U6 would have have fallen to what it is now. Crediting Swampy for the current unemployment rate is like giving the rooster credit for the sun rising.
 
Politically it doesn't really matter if the tax cuts aren't responsible for the continued progress of the economy. Republicans will be able to use it as long as things are good, and it should be helpful to them in the upcoming races.
 
You are merely displaying your partisanship. U6 dropped in a near straight-line since 2009. Had Obama been allowed to have a 3rd term, U6 would have have fallen to what it is now. Crediting Swampy for the current unemployment rate is like giving the rooster credit for the sun rising.

So then it is irrelevant to you that after 8 years Obama was never able to get to pre recession levels on the U-6 and all that matters to you is that it dropped over that period of time? What is it today?? No wonder you need a big massive central govt. as you would never survive in the private sector accepting those kind of results at the costs he created.

Unlike you and the rest of the radicals actual results matter not how you feel. Improvement never getting back to pre recession levels after 8 years in office are exactly the results that led to his loss of Congress in 14-16 and the Democrats losing the WH. it will be the Trump record that will expand GOP Control in November
 
Politically it doesn't really matter if the tax cuts aren't responsible for the continued progress of the economy. Republicans will be able to use it as long as things are good, and it should be helpful to them in the upcoming races.

Exactly and it does appear that the left has no clue as to the components of GDP and what percentage they contribute but what is more important is the affect of tax cuts on take home pay and the individual bank account.
 
So then it is irrelevant to you that after 8 years Obama was never able to get to pre recession levels on the U-6 and all that matters to you is that it dropped over that period of time? What is it today?? No wonder you need a big massive central govt. as you would never survive in the private sector accepting those kind of results at the costs he created.

Unlike you and the rest of the radicals actual results matter not how you feel. Improvement never getting back to pre recession levels after 8 years in office are exactly the results that led to his loss of Congress in 14-16 and the Democrats losing the WH. it will be the Trump record that will expand GOP Control in November
The damage done by the Bush depression was severe -- so severe that it look years to undo the damage. Only a reckless partisan (raise your hand Con) could expect that level of unwinding to occur quickly. The evidence that UE was dropping precipitously comes from Mitt Romney's mouth. Romney said that if he won in 2012, after his first term ended in 2016, he'd bring UE down to 6%. Obama had it down to 4.4% in that time.
 
Never said the BLS data was wrong, just incomplete unless of course you believe a part time employee for economic reasons is the same as a full time employee. If so then we have a serious problem. You see, that is what Obama created and that will always skew the official unemployment data which is why the U-6 is correct and the measurement of how good the economic performance is regarding jobs.

I continue to post that data but it doesn't resonate because that isn't what you want to believe. WHY?? Why is the U-3 rate so much better for you to use vs. the U-6?? Do you know the difference?? If not why don't you find out?

Let's look at the big picture. George W. Bush inherited a growing economy from Bill Clinton. He left Barack Obama with the greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression. Obama inherited that and left Trump with a growing economy that has continued to grow. Will it continue to grow?

So far Trump's economic policies have consisted of tax cuts that have gone mainly to corporations and rich people, and reductions in environmental regulations. Corporations have spent the vast majority of their tax cuts in stock buy backs, not raising salaries for employees.

The time to cut taxes is when the per capita gross domestic product is shrinking. The time to raise taxes is when it is growing. Republicans complained about deficit spending under Obama. Nevertheless:

"The federal government finished fiscal 2017 with a budget deficit of $666 billion, an increase of $80 billion over the previous year."
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-ends-fiscal-2017-with-666-billion-budget-deficit-2017-10-20

Economists are predicting ever greater deficits as a result of Trump's tax cuts. Why is it that Republicans only care about deficit spending when a Democrat is president?

In an interview with Bob Woodward Trump claimed that he could pay off the national debt in eight years with "better trade deals."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-debt-in-eight-years/?utm_term=.69d624c3bbce

Do you think that is remotely possible? What does that tell you about Trump's understanding of economics? By "better trade deals" Trump means higher tariffs. The immediate effect of higher tariffs will be higher consumer prices. These will be soon be followed by higher tariffs by our trade partners on what Americans are good at producing, like food. Trump did well in agricultural areas. Is that likely to continue when farmers have more difficulty in selling their produce abroad?
 
The damage done by the Bush depression was severe -- so severe that it look years to undo the damage. Only a reckless partisan (raise your hand Con) could expect that level of unwinding to occur quickly. The evidence that UE was dropping precipitously comes from Mitt Romney's mouth. Romney said that if he won in 2012, after his first term ended in 2016, he'd bring UE down to 6%. Obama had it down to 4.4% in that time.

Right and the Democratic Congress had nothing to do with it OR the WORST RECOVERY in history?? how about answering the question what is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty and inability to admit when you are wrong??

Only a leftist believes that the Obama results were acceptable, the electorate didn't agree. Romney isn't President, Romney wasn't elected President, and Obama lost the Congress in 2014, how do you explain it? Again, 4.4% U-3 and 9.4% U-6, what is the difference?? Which one truly matters? Maybe you ought to talk to the 3+ million more Americans working today or the 1 million more full time employees coming from the Part time group making it 4 million full time NEW taxpayers. I suggest you take some courses before spouting any more rhetoric, this is embarrassing
 
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