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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

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    So let me know when states set up the Medicaid program? States have a choice and if they participate they still play by federal rules and because it was a federal established program federal tax dollars support it. My state opted out of Medicaid expansion.
    Face facts.. states CHOOSE whether they want to be in the Medicaid program. Which means that yep.. they play by the rules.. because they choose to play. Your state still participates in Medicaid.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

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    Goodbye and good luck. Your post is wrong, and I'm not going to waste time (again) explaining why.
    good luck to you.. your post is completely wrong.. and its obvious to anyone that understands taxes why your post is wrong.
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Face facts.. states CHOOSE whether they want to be in the Medicaid program. Which means that yep.. they play by the rules.. because they choose to play. Your state still participates in Medicaid.
    Facts are indeed facts, MEDICAID WAS CREATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVT.!! Federal programs are funded by federal taxpayer dollars

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    good luck to you.. your post is completely wrong.. and its obvious to anyone that understands taxes why your post is wrong.
    There certainly is nothing conservative in anything you post especially on this issue. State and Federal Taxes being a deduction from Federal Income taxes reduces the federal tax liability and is something taxpayers in TX cannot do since there is no State Income Taxes here. Amazing how many liberals promote this deduction while calling for those evil rich people to pay more.

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Think Carefully Before Cutting Off Subsidies to Red States - Bloomberg


    https://www.bloomberg.com/.../think-...es-to-red-stat...



    Feb 5, 2018 - But many red states get a lot more back from the federal government than they pay in to the system. ... And why do they take a lot of money out?
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There certainly is nothing conservative in anything you post especially on this issue. State and Federal Taxes being a deduction from Federal Income taxes reduces the federal tax liability and is something taxpayers in TX cannot do since there is no State Income Taxes here. Amazing how many liberals promote this deduction while calling for those evil rich people to pay more.
    Yep.. it reduces the federal tax liability. And so according to you.. you think that its a conservative idea to take MORE money away from states... to take care of their own.. and instead its a conservative idea for the states to have to send more money to a federal government? Hmmm... lets see so according to you.. Conservatives believe that federal taxes should be increased and more money taken away from states? Hmmm.. you might want to check on that.
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

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    Think Carefully Before Cutting Off Subsidies to Red States - Bloomberg


    https://www.bloomberg.com/.../think-...es-to-red-stat...





    Feb 5, 2018 - But many red states get a lot more back from the federal government than they pay in to the system. ... And why do they take a lot of money out?
    Hmmm.. you might want to read the article.. it supports my position. not yours.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Yep.. it reduces the federal tax liability. And so according to you.. you think that its a conservative idea to take MORE money away from states... to take care of their own.. and instead its a conservative idea for the states to have to send more money to a federal government? Hmmm... lets see so according to you.. Conservatives believe that federal taxes should be increased and more money taken away from states? Hmmm.. you might want to check on that.
    No, it is putting a price tag on liberalism in the states and would stop people like you from claiming that Blue states subsidize Red states. It isn't about states sending anything it is about states charging their citizens more taxes knowing those taxes are deductible.

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Hmmm.. you might want to read the article.. it supports my position. not yours.
    Unable to open link but there is no fairness in the tax code that allows high taxed blue states to deduct high state and local income taxes from their federal income taxes vs. Red states that don't have state or local income taxes. This reduces the blue state tax payers liability thus giving Blue state taxpayers larger deductions off their federal return vs. Red States

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Hmmm.. you might want to read the article.. it supports my position. not yours.
    And that's your basic mistake. Federal payments are part of federal programs, not subsidies to states. They would be (and are) paid anywhere. From the link:


    Why money comes back to your state is a little more complicated. Pew has helpfully broken down federal transfers into five categories:

    • Retirement benefits
    • Non-retirement benefits
    • Grants (mostly transportation, education, housing and Medicaid)
    • Government contracts for goods and services
    • Salaries and wages

    Most of the transfers do not come from “red state welfare” like agricultural subsidies. They derive from Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, food stamps, welfare, the maintenance of the national highway system, the purchase of goods and services for the federal government, and the operation of federal facilities and lands.
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