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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

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    No what you are totally apparently incapable of understand is what the federal dollars going to the states funds and it isn't a subsidy if it funds a federal mandate. Further when you deduct state and local taxes from your federal returns you are hiding the true cost of liberal social programs in your state and red states with lower state and local taxes are paying a higher effective rate than the blue states.

    My point on California isn't that their federal dollars aren't deserving just that they are being ignored. A lot of blue states then are subsidizing California as well but I don't hear that.

    Do you know what a deduction is? When you pay your federal return you are deducting your state and local taxes which for a blue state is significant and that lowers the taxes paid. Seems like logic and common sense doesn't resonate with you
    You just can't keep your story straight can you? I thought your entire lame point was that we only have a federal spending problem, yet now you are addressing federal taxation.
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

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    No what you are totally apparently incapable of understand is what the federal dollars going to the states funds and it isn't a subsidy if it funds a federal mandate. Further when you deduct state and local taxes from your federal returns you are hiding the true cost of liberal social programs in your state and red states with lower state and local taxes are paying a higher effective rate than the blue states.

    My point on California isn't that their federal dollars aren't deserving just that they are being ignored. A lot of blue states then are subsidizing California as well but I don't hear that.

    Do you know what a deduction is? When you pay your federal return you are deducting your state and local taxes which for a blue state is significant and that lowers the taxes paid. Seems like logic and common sense doesn't resonate with you
    Yawn.. you keep saying that.. and I have debunked your statements multiple times. For example.. Medicaid.. is not a federal mandate.. states choose whether they want to participate in Medicaid. the same with many other programs and grants.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Which remains, as before, irrelevant.
    not if you are arguing that red states are subsidizing blue states it isn;t.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    not if you are arguing that red states are subsidizing blue states it isn;t.
    Taxpayers in states (mostly red) with low state/local taxes were subsidizing taxpayers and state/local governments in states (mostly blue) with high state/local taxes. That subsidy was capped in 2017.
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You just can't keep your story straight can you? I thought your entire lame point was that we only have a federal spending problem, yet now you are addressing federal taxation.
    My story is and always has been straight, you seem to have a comprehension problem, there are two issues here, one is federal spending, and second is blue states claiming they are subsidizing red states when the reality is by deducting state and local taxes which are higher in blue states the reverse is true. That is quite different than spending, that is what liberals seem to always do shirk their own tax responsibility while calling on others to increase theirs.

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Yawn.. you keep saying that.. and I have debunked your statements multiple times. For example.. Medicaid.. is not a federal mandate.. states choose whether they want to participate in Medicaid. the same with many other programs and grants.
    So let me know when states set up the Medicaid program? States have a choice and if they participate they still play by federal rules and because it was a federal established program federal tax dollars support it. My state opted out of Medicaid expansion.

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Taxpayers in states (mostly red) with low state/local taxes were subsidizing taxpayers and state/local governments in states (mostly blue) with high state/local taxes.
    I don't think some posters here understand what a deduction is and how a deduction reduces taxable income. As we both have stated Blue states are high taxed states and by deducting their taxes from their federal returns they are reducing their taxable income thus paying less in federal taxes because of the higher state and local taxes. You are absolutely correct but the left is incapable of admitting when wrong

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    My story is and always has been straight, you seem to have a comprehension problem, there are two issues here, one is federal spending, and second is blue states claiming they are subsidizing red states when the reality is by deducting state and local taxes which are higher in blue states the reverse is true. That is quite different than spending, that is what liberals seem to always do shirk their own tax responsibility while calling on others to increase theirs.
    The SALT federal tax deduction should be treated just like the medical care expense deduction is now - only the portion of such expenses which exceed 10% of AGI is deductible.
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Taxpayers in states (mostly red) with low state/local taxes were subsidizing taxpayers and state/local governments in states (mostly blue) with high state/local taxes. That subsidy was capped in 2017.
    Nope.. Blue states were subsidizing the low state taxes in mostly red states by sending more federal money to the federal government AND taking care of local issues (ie sent in more money to the federal government than they got back).

    Red states now can enjoy MORE subsidizing of their states.. as blue states have to kick in even more federal money to support their state (since they take in more federal money than they send out.. which is what subsidizes their low tax rates) because of the cap put in place by the GOP.,.. which surprise surprise.. benefits red states at the expense of blue states.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Nope.. Blue states were subsidizing the low state taxes in mostly red states by sending more federal money to the federal government AND taking care of local issues (ie sent in more money to the federal government than they got back).

    Red states now can enjoy MORE subsidizing of their states.. as blue states have to kick in even more federal money to support their state (since they take in more federal money than they send out.. which is what subsidizes their low tax rates) because of the cap put in place by the GOP.,.. which surprise surprise.. benefits red states at the expense of blue states.
    Goodbye and good luck. Your post is wrong, and I'm not going to waste time (again) explaining why.
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