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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    great.. show me some objective evidence that shows me that "Californians themselves say they have all the answers"..

    You realize your whole argument is predicated on your assumptions that are not based in fact. I have to deal with a lot of Californians.. and they tend to be on my "annoying" list but even I know that they don't " think they have all the answers".

    Quite frankly.. right now.. its the right wing that thinks they have all the answers.. and ironically double down when they are shown they are wrong. Unfortunately.. you seem to be falling into that trap as well.

    Yep.. I have read the economics boards on here.. and while you are right.. there are some liberals that think everything will be rainbows when minimum wage is a "living wage" whatever that is... on the flip side you have right wingers spraying nonsense of how giving a business a tax cut is necessarily going to translate into a wage increase.. and how deficits matter when a democrat is in power.. but not when a republican is.. or that tax cuts increase revenue when clearly they don't.



    Well first you have to realize that poor and middle class folks also pay high state income taxes in these states.. so its not "just one percenters".. Secondly.. to me as a conservative it makes sense. Doesn;t it make more sense to tax for local problems.. ie. state.. rather than send MORE money to the federal government and pay for all that inefficiency to come back to your state?

    That's the reality.. its makes sense as a conservative to not tax state taxes again.. it makes sense to not double tax people... So why the heck are YOU for it?



    No offense dude.. but you are arguing against an outlook that really doesn;t exist in the majority of Californians.
    It is pretty obvious that all of California's liberal policies don't work. Now they're trying to get together and do single payer healthcare at the state level. Even Jerry Brown doesn't think that will work (even with the world's sixth largest economy), but it doesn't stop liberals from thinking they have all the answers. Hell, not even Bernie Sanders did single payer in Vermont. I would like to think that somewhere, deep down inside, liberals realize that their policies don't work, but I have seen nothing to convince me that they have any idea. Talk about doubling down, whenever liberal policies don't work, their response to that is that they just didn't do enough of whatever it was that totally failed. Hell, Norway just tried basic income and it utterly failed but we have those here on DP and in the US (particularly Hawaii) who think it should be tried, even though it was tried elsewhere and utterly failed. Surely the US would have different results because, remember, we have all that fiat money and we can print it up like no tomorrow and don't ever have to repay our debt so surely basic income would work here.

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    It is pretty obvious that all of California's liberal policies don't work. Now they're trying to get together and do single payer healthcare at the state level. Even Jerry Brown doesn't think that will work (even with the world's sixth largest economy), but it doesn't stop liberals from thinking they have all the answers. Hell, not even Bernie Sanders did single payer in Vermont. I would like to think that somewhere, deep down inside, liberals realize that their policies don't work, but I have seen nothing to convince me that they have any idea. Talk about doubling down, whenever liberal policies don't work, their response to that is that they just didn't do enough of whatever it was that totally failed. Hell, Norway just tried basic income and it utterly failed but we have those here on DP and in the US (particularly Hawaii) who think it should be tried, even though it was tried elsewhere and utterly failed. Surely the US would have different results because, remember, we have all that fiat money and we can print it up like no tomorrow and don't ever have to repay our debt so surely basic income would work here.
    Interesting. ALL of californias liberal policies don't work? They have an economy that is an envy of most of the world.. not just other states. They rank high in education particularly college level education. they rank high in business environment, they still have a growing population.

    Look.. single payer may not be the answer. But I give them credit for trying to solve the healthcare issues in their state. they already rank pretty high in healthcare across the nation.. and they are trying to get better. Single payer does work in other countries. its just depends on what people in California want. That's really the question... not if single payer will work.. but if Californians will accept the downsides of single payer.. with the upsides of single payer.

    Now.. compare that to what republicans have done about healthcare. Remember "repeal and replace"... how well has that gone Moderate right? 9 years now of bashing obamacare... claiming repealing and replacing it with better... and what have republicans produced? Exactly nothing. In fact.. what republicans have done is continued obamacare but removed some of the ways to pay for it!!!..

    if you want to sling mud around.. there is more than enough that sticks to republicans as well as liberal democrats.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    if you want to sling mud around.. there is more than enough that sticks to republicans as well as liberal democrats.
    Totally agree. I'm just saying that liberals don't have all the answers like they think they do.

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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Totally agree. I'm just saying that liberals don't have all the answers like they think they do.
    Right.. you are making an erroneous assumption that liberal think they have all the answers.

    Sir.. be honest with yourself. I asked you to provide any objective evidence that shows that liberals think they "have all the answers".. and you couldn't provide it.

    We have enough of the partisanship in this country.
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    Re: The End of the Federal Tax Subsidy for Blue States

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Right.. you are making an erroneous assumption that liberal think they have all the answers.

    Sir.. be honest with yourself. I asked you to provide any objective evidence that shows that liberals think they "have all the answers".. and you couldn't provide it.

    We have enough of the partisanship in this country.
    It seems like you have limited time to read and post here on DP. Perhaps you have forgotten all the rabid lefties on here who spew liberal policies as if they have all the answers. I'm not talking about a post here and there. The site is loaded with this crap. As far as out there in the real world, (I'll pick on California) they are a high taxed state with high state income taxes, sales taxes, local taxes, and they have a high minimum wage with several cities instituting "living wages" of $15 per hour. What it has gotten them is virtually nothing. They have high wealth inequality, many poor who get government assistance, and a large homeless population. It seems like your best argument is, "yeah but imagine what it would be like if we didn't have all of these high taxes and living wages". And, they have a broken state budget and yet fight for single payer healthcare while even Jerry Brown says they can't afford it. They also are so stupid that they fought to put an initiative on the ballot this November for breaking the state into three states, even though they know it will fail at the ballot by a large margin, and even if it actually passed, could never become reality.
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