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GOP tax cut: Revenuse grow, rich pay more

danielpalos said:
1) so, you have nothing.

2) There is no unemployment under Capitalism, Only underpayment.
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1) Wrong, I work thus I get paid for doing so.

2) Exactly, you are getting the paycheck that you deserve for your efforts - none.
 
danielpalos said:
You don't have to. Just quit your day job and go on unemployment, hypothetically, if you have a problem with it.
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How, exactly, is that plan working for you? I have no problem with the idea that I get paid only for the work that I do and, in the case of Social Security retirement benefits, have done.
 
danielpalos said:
no hiring bonus? Capitalists don't have to care when they make enough and Labor is Forced to work.
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You are not forced to work and I am not forced to support you for choosing not to work - which is quite fair to both of us. Try telling your mother to give you a raise to at least $14/hour for not working.
 
danielpalos said:
You don't have to. Just quit your day job and go on unemployment, hypothetically, if you have a problem with it.
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Since I am self-employed that may be quite difficult for me and since you are (long term?) unemployed that may be quite difficult for you.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You are not forced to work and I am not forced to support you for choosing not to work - which is quite fair to both of us. Try telling your mother to give you a raise to at least $14/hour for not working.
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the reality is, Congress has the power Tax your money, if we have Any social problems in our Republic.

I am merely being, more market friendly.
 
danielpalos said:
Progress is being made. And, You have no argument.
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I do have a paycheck, in fact, I generally get several within a typical week. It is you that, so far, has the losing argument - folks simply refuse to pay you $14/hour not to work even in far-left CA.
 
danielpalos said:
the reality is, Congress has the power Tax your money, if we have Any social problems in our Republic.

I am merely being, more market friendly.
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Yep, by helping your mother spend her money. Imagine, if every son chose your path, how great this nation could be.
 
solving simple poverty is what I am discussing. The right wing only has a work or die ethic.

The right wing seems to believe, equal protection of the law is not worth it, for the poor.
 
danielpalos said:
i am working on solutions, not excuses.

what is your excuse. for only having excuses instead of good arguments?
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I would hardly count advocating forced income redistribution to anyone that simply elects not to work to be a solution. I need no excuse for working to support myself.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I would hardly count advocating forced income redistribution to anyone that simply elects not to work to be a solution. I need no excuse for working to support myself.
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You can't provide a job for everybody; why is there Any homelessness in Right to Work States? You have No Solution, only obsolete dogma from last millennium.
 
danielpalos said:
solving simple poverty is what I am discussing. The right wing only has a work or die ethic.

The right wing seems to believe, equal protection of the law is not worth it, for the poor.
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The left wing (or at least your version of it) has only a gimme what I want (thus claim to need) ethic. How, exactly, are those that you would have give to you expected to fund that effort? Taxing the wages of (all?) workers, simply to allow others the option not to bother working, is not a sound basis for any society.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The left wing (or at least your version of it) has only a gimme what I want (thus claim to need) ethic. How, exactly, are those that you would have give to you expected to fund that effort? Taxing the wages of (all?) workers, simply to allow others the option not to bother working, is not a sound basis for any society.
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That is your special pleading. What we have now, is not working.

The left has a solution. The right wing doesn't like Because the poor may benefit, not any economic canard.
 
danielpalos said:
You can't provide a job for everybody; why is there Any homelessness in Right to Work States? You have No Solution, only obsolete dogma from last millennium.
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I provide plenty of jobs - for those supplying each good/service that I purchase with my paychecks. I, as well as most, fight poverty by working (supplying the demands of others). In turn, my demand (the spending of my paychecks) creates an opportunity for others to earn a paycheck by supplying me the goods/services that I seek.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I provide plenty of jobs - for those supplying each good/service that I purchase with my paychecks. I, as well as most, fight poverty by working (supplying the demands of others). In turn, my demand (the spending of my paychecks) creates an opportunity for others to earn a paycheck by supplying me the goods/services that I seek.
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only in right wing, feel good, fantasy. Capitalism's allegedly natural rate of unemployment exists merely for Capitalists, not Labor's, bottom line.

Socialism calls it, capitalism's natural rate of inefficiency, and we have a solution for it. Full employment of resources is the economic goal.

the right wing merely likes to, "hate on the poor".
 
danielpalos said:
That is your special pleading. What we have now, is not working.

The left has a solution. The right wing doesn't like Because the poor may benefit, not any economic canard.
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Nope, you are the one simply pleading (for a share of the wages earned by others). What I do, offering my skilled labor in exchange for a paycheck, is definitely working to fight poverty as evidenced by the popularity of that means of self support within our society.
 
Conservative said:
Aw, yes the class envy card! Interesting how I have never been envious of what someone else earned and learned to celebrate success. I controlled my own destiny but that seems to be a lost art with you and others. I did not support TARP and believe in tough love, something the left totally ignores except when it comes to the rich. Tough love should be used on those abusing the system at the bottom just like the top
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A thought on this post. I HAVE envied what others earned, but it never occurred to me that policies that would reduce their expendable income would improve my own in any way. To achieve what others have achieved with the resulting monetary reward for their achievements have encouraged me to find legal and productive ways to improve my own circumstances. And for the most part I usually was able to do that.

There are some universal truths I have picked up along the way and incorporated into my own philosophy:

1. You cannot help the poor by making the rich poorer. And you will inevitably hurt the poor by trying to do so.

2. The poor will always be with us--even though we are all equal under the law (or are supposed to be), different people have different vision, ability, talent, vision, intuition, ethics, stamina, patience, integrity, values, ambition, and work ethic. The choices we make with those attributes will usually determine our level of success as we define success. (Everyone does not have the same definition of success.)

3. In a successful country, the poor will be less poor than in less successful countries.

4. The honorable person who has made the choices to be successful and therefore be in a position to give good gifts/advantages to his/her children should never be ashamed of that. Nor should the children be ashamed that they have successful parents who gave them opportunities they might not have otherwise had. Both should only be ashamed when their success is used for evil instead of good and/or when they do not benefit society but rather drain from it.

5. And per my sig line, we treat the poor badly when we make them so comfortable in poverty, we remove their incentive and/or make them afraid to escape from it. We serve them best when we lead or drive them out of it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, you are the one simply pleading (for a share of the wages earned by others). What I do, offering my skilled labor in exchange for a paycheck, is definitely working to fight poverty as evidenced by the popularity of that means of self support within our society.
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I am advocating for simplifying our social safety net to lower our tax burden; means tested welfare is simply more expensive than unemployment compensation.
 
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