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GOP tax cut: Revenuse grow, rich pay more

jaeger19 said:
I have already addressed this issue..

Why should the federal government allow for deductions from federal income tax law for state and local tax laws that cover state and local expenses?

the same reason that I can deduct my business expenses from my federal taxes.

Now.. you justify why the federal government should get MORE of the individuals money and more money should be taken out of that individuals state.. and given to the federal government. Justify that liberal!
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Here's the bottom line, Federal Govt. is no longer going to allow deductions for state and local taxes per the change in tax law. that affects red and blue states so if you want more spendable income get your state to lower their taxes since you will no lower be able to deduct them.
 
Conservative said:
Here's the bottom line, Federal Govt. is no longer going to allow deductions for state and local taxes per the change in tax law. that affects red and blue states so if you want more spendable income get your state to lower their taxes since you will no lower be able to deduct them.
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Right.. here is the bottom line.. the federal government is now going to take more of the individuals money.. there is going to be less money for states to do what they need.. and there is going to be more state welfare.. with states (mostly red) sucking harder on the federal government teat.

how liberal of you. and so if I want more spendable income.... I have to take more money away from my state.. so that I can give it to the federal government. :doh..

Apparently.. you don't think individuals and states know what to do with their money.. so it should go to the federal government!.. :roll:
 
jaeger19 said:
Right.. here is the bottom line.. the federal government is now going to take more of the individuals money.. there is going to be less money for states to do what they need.. and there is going to be more state welfare.. with states (mostly red) sucking harder on the federal government teat.

how liberal of you. and so if I want more spendable income.... I have to take more money away from my state.. so that I can give it to the federal government. :doh..

Apparently.. you don't think individuals and states know what to do with their money.. so it should go to the federal government!.. :roll:
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You are no longer going to get a deduction for state and local expenses. What is it about liberalism that thinks the federal taxpayers should fund your state initiatives and expenses?
 
Conservative said:
You are no longer going to get a deduction for state and local expenses. What is it about liberalism that thinks the federal taxpayers should fund your state initiatives and expenses?
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I don't know.. you are the one that's promoting the federal taxpayer fund my state expenses.. since I live in a red state and we are a net RECIPIENT of federal money..

So.. go ahead liberal.. explain why the federal government, by taxing wealthy blue states, who are net tax PAYERS.. should then redistribute that money to red states who are net tax receivers. ..
 
jaeger19 said:
I don't know.. you are the one that's promoting the federal taxpayer fund my state expenses.. since I live in a red state and we are a net RECIPIENT of federal money..

So.. go ahead liberal.. explain why the federal government, by taxing wealthy blue states, who are net tax PAYERS.. should then redistribute that money to red states who are net tax receivers. ..
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That's because you don't know what taxes you pay or their purpose nor do you know what a deduction is
 
Conservative said:
You are no longer going to get a deduction for state and local expenses. What is it about liberalism that thinks the federal taxpayers should fund your state initiatives and expenses?
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Blue States were already, donor States. Why do, allegedly low tax red States, need with even more tax breaks?
 
Conservative said:
That's because you don't know what taxes you pay or their purpose nor do you know what a deduction is
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I know exactly what taxes I pay and what their purpose is.. and I know what a deduction is.

YOU are the one that has demonstrated you don't understand it.

Explain again. why you support the federal government taxing wealthy blue states who are net tax payers.. and redistributing that money to red states that are net tax receivers.
 
jaeger19 said:
I know exactly what taxes I pay and what their purpose is.. and I know what a deduction is.

YOU are the one that has demonstrated you don't understand it.

Explain again. why you support the federal government taxing wealthy blue states who are net tax payers.. and redistributing that money to red states that are net tax receivers.
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No, apparently you don't as state taxes supporting state and local programs are being deducted from your FEDERAL TAX LIABILITY per FEDERAL TAX LAWS that are now being changed. Has absolutely nothing to do with Red States or Blue states, just your total and complete ignorance of the issue
 
Conservative said:
No, apparently you don't as state taxes supporting state and local programs are being deducted from your FEDERAL TAX LIABILITY per FEDERAL TAX LAWS that are now being changed. Has absolutely nothing to do with Red States or Blue states, just your total and complete ignorance of the issue
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I already stated that Con... in fact.. I had to point it out to you.. since you thought state expenses were being deducted from federal taxes.

and yes.. it has a lot to do with blue states and red states. In fact. it now increases what the individual will now pay to the federal government versus their own state. Why do you want to see tax dollars be taken away from the states to go to the federal government.. and then to states that are net welfare states?
 
jaeger19 said:
I already stated that Con... in fact.. I had to point it out to you.. since you thought state expenses were being deducted from federal taxes.

and yes.. it has a lot to do with blue states and red states. In fact. it now increases what the individual will now pay to the federal government versus their own state. Why do you want to see tax dollars be taken away from the states to go to the federal government.. and then to states that are net welfare states?
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What the hell do you think state taxes fund???????? Really, I fear for the kids of Tennessee
 
Conservative said:
Here's the bottom line, Federal Govt. is no longer going to allow deductions for state and local taxes per the change in tax law. that affects red and blue states so if you want more spendable income get your state to lower their taxes since you will no lower be able to deduct them.
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So, the feds are going to engage in double taxation, and the conservatives are all OK with that because the taxpayers in low taxed states will lose less than those in states with higher taxes.

Conservatives???? Really??
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, the feds are going to engage in double taxation, and the conservatives are all OK with that because the taxpayers in low taxed states will lose less than those in states with higher taxes.

Conservatives???? Really??
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Double taxation? What the hell ae you talking about? What Federal tax dollars are going to the Red states that don't go to the blue states? You really don't have a clue what taxes you pay or their purpose, do you? Is that an example of a SF education? Do you have any idea what your state taxes fund? What state taxes do you deduct from your federal income taxes?
 
Conservative said:
Double taxation? What the hell ae you talking about? What Federal tax dollars are going to the Red states that don't go to the blue states? You really don't have a clue what taxes you pay or their purpose, do you? Is that an example of a SF education? Do you have any idea what your state taxes fund? What state taxes do you deduct from your federal income taxes?
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Double taxation yes.

BEFORE
Earn a dollar, get taxed by state for the dollar and taxed by feds for one dollar, except that the taxes paid to the state are deductible.

AFTER
Earn a dollar, get taxed by state for the dollar and taxed by feds for one dollar -- I'm being taxed by the Feds for money I already handed over to the state. e.g. double taxation.
 
MTAtech said:
Double taxation yes.

BEFORE
Earn a dollar, get taxed by state for the dollar and taxed by feds for one dollar, except that the taxes paid to the state are deductible.

AFTER
Earn a dollar, get taxed by state for the dollar and taxed by feds for one dollar -- I'm being taxed by the Feds for money I already handed over to the state. e.g. double taxation.
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Keep proving over and over again that you have no idea what taxes you pay or their purpose. that is a perfect example of the liberal education system today. Your state taxes fund STATE expenses,, what does that have to do with Federal Taxes
 
Conservative said:
Double taxation? What the hell ae you talking about? What Federal tax dollars are going to the Red states that don't go to the blue states? You really don't have a clue what taxes you pay or their purpose, do you? Is that an example of a SF education? Do you have any idea what your state taxes fund? What state taxes do you deduct from your federal income taxes?
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Double taxation: Paying federal taxes on money you had to pay for state taxes is double taxation. You're paying taxes on money spent to pay taxes.

What makes you think I don't know what taxes I pay, or for what purpose? Federal taxes are to fund the federal government, state taxes go to the state of California. Both tax and spend way too much. You liberals seem to think that's OK.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Double taxation: Paying federal taxes on money you had to pay for state taxes is double taxation. You're paying taxes on money spent to pay taxes.

What makes you think I don't know what taxes I pay, or for what purpose? Federal taxes are to fund the federal government, state taxes go to the state of California. Both tax and spend way too much. You liberals seem to think that's OK.
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That is truly liberal logic, who should pay for YOUR state and local taxes that cover state and local services? You don't like what you are paying in California and what they cover, MOVE. Federal Taxes are a different issue but you still have the opportunity to move. Please tell me this is an act? How is this double taxation? I don't live in California therefore I don't pay California taxes nor should I at the state level. Why should my federal funds pay for your state and local expenses?
 
Conservative said:
What the hell do you think state taxes fund???????? Really, I fear for the kids of Tennessee
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Already answered.. things like Medicaid, Education, roads, transportation, etc.

Yep.. I fear for the kids of Tennessee to.

Tennessee is No. 39 overall for the subcategory of “quality of education and attainment gap,” thanks in part to its No. 35 ranking for “average university quality.” But the state only mustered a No. 43 ranking for both the subcategory “education attainment rank” and the survey as a whole
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Dittohead not! said:
So, the feds are going to engage in double taxation, and the conservatives are all OK with that because the taxpayers in low taxed states will lose less than those in states with higher taxes.

Conservatives???? Really??
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Oh no.. so now you really blew his mind. There is no way that he is going to understand why you call it double taxation. There is no way he is going to understand that first the state will tax your income.. and have you pay state income tax.. and that because that income tax is NOT now deducted from your gross income.. that same income is going to be taxed one more time under the federal tax code.
 
jaeger19 said:
Already answered.. things like Medicaid, Education, roads, transportation, etc.

Yep.. I fear for the kids of Tennessee to.
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So you think your state taxpayers should be funding those issues? Red states and blue states pay the same rates so what is your issue? You think that the federal taxpayers should fund your state and local expenses? if it is a federal program and Medicaid is a joint program, education is for school testing and mandatory programs, roads are the inter-state highways, and transportation is mass transit programs paid for by the Federal govt. but not used by everyone else. Please educate yourself on what you pay and their purpose
 
jaeger19 said:
Oh no.. so now you really blew his mind. There is no way that he is going to understand why you call it double taxation. There is no way he is going to understand that first the state will tax your income.. and have you pay state income tax.. and that because that income tax is NOT now deducted from your gross income.. that same income is going to be taxed one more time under the federal tax code.
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I am sorry but the IQ of a liberal has to be among the lowest on record. The state taxes your income to fund state and local programs, the Federal govt. then taxes your income for federal operating expenses. You don't seem to grasp the difference. If you don't live in the state you don't pay their state taxes nor should you but that is what you want deducted from your federal return. Higher state and local taxes because of your choice in govt.
 
Conservative said:
I am sorry but the IQ of a liberal has to be among the lowest on record. The state taxes your income to fund state and local programs, the Federal govt. then taxes your income for federal operating expenses. You don't seem to grasp the difference. If you don't live in the state you don't pay their state taxes nor should you but that is what you want deducted from your federal return. Higher state and local taxes because of your choice in govt.
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OK, I'll try one more time: Yes, the state taxes your income to fund state and local programs, such things as state highways, schools (in some states), public colleges and universities, all that comes from state taxes.

The feds tax your income for such things as interstate highways, airports, the military, mainly the latter.

Where double taxation comes in is this: Say you make 100 grand, then pay out 10 grand for state taxes.
Then, the feds, instead of taxing the 90 grand you actually got, taxes the ten grand you didn't get as well. They're taxing the same money twice, which is the rationale for deducting state and local taxes in the first place.

Since liberals love taxes and big government, supporting the idea of double taxation must be a liberal idea, right?
 
Dittohead not! said:
OK, I'll try one more time: Yes, the state taxes your income to fund state and local programs, such things as state highways, schools (in some states), public colleges and universities, all that comes from state taxes.

The feds tax your income for such things as interstate highways, airports, the military, mainly the latter.

Where double taxation comes in is this: Say you make 100 grand, then pay out 10 grand for state taxes.
Then, the feds, instead of taxing the 90 grand you actually got, taxes the ten grand you didn't get as well. They're taxing the same money twice, which is the rationale for deducting state and local taxes in the first place.

Since liberals love taxes and big government, supporting the idea of double taxation must be a liberal idea, right?
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You may be on to something. It also smacks of classic prog "soak the rich" mantras. Funny how a lot of Dem legislators in high-tax states are now looking for ways to easy the bite on their rich progressive supporters.
 
Conservative said:
So you think your state taxpayers should be funding those issues? Red states and blue states pay the same rates so what is your issue? You think that the federal taxpayers should fund your state and local expenses? if it is a federal program and Medicaid is a joint program, education is for school testing and mandatory programs, roads are the inter-state highways, and transportation is mass transit programs paid for by the Federal govt. but not used by everyone else. Please educate yourself on what you pay and their purpose
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Honestly.. just about every thing you said was either wrong.. or I have already addressed. You obviously have no clue what you pay and their purpose. Heck.. you were claiming that states deducted their expenses.. and that income taxes were based on assets...

You need to stop.
 
Dittohead not! said:
OK, I'll try one more time: Yes, the state taxes your income to fund state and local programs, such things as state highways, schools (in some states), public colleges and universities, all that comes from state taxes.

The feds tax your income for such things as interstate highways, airports, the military, mainly the latter.

Where double taxation comes in is this: Say you make 100 grand, then pay out 10 grand for state taxes.
Then, the feds, instead of taxing the 90 grand you actually got, taxes the ten grand you didn't get as well. They're taxing the same money twice, which is the rationale for deducting state and local taxes in the first place.

Since liberals love taxes and big government, supporting the idea of double taxation must be a liberal idea, right?
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that noise you just heard was Conservative's mind imploding. :mrgreen:
 
Dittohead not! said:
OK, I'll try one more time: Yes, the state taxes your income to fund state and local programs, such things as state highways, schools (in some states), public colleges and universities, all that comes from state taxes.

The feds tax your income for such things as interstate highways, airports, the military, mainly the latter.

Where double taxation comes in is this: Say you make 100 grand, then pay out 10 grand for state taxes.
Then, the feds, instead of taxing the 90 grand you actually got, taxes the ten grand you didn't get as well. They're taxing the same money twice, which is the rationale for deducting state and local taxes in the first place.

Since liberals love taxes and big government, supporting the idea of double taxation must be a liberal idea, right?
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If someone pays double taxation don't they pay for the same thing twice? What exactly is being paid for twice?
 
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