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Just look at these Democrats destroying their state.....oh wait.

MTAtech said:
Like most of our ancestors and my grandparents specifically.

After a generation, their children were doctors, lawyers and business people. Immigrants largely contribute to America.
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Were your grandparents illegal immigrants? I am willing to bet not... That's the key word here....... Your grandparents were of a different generation, a generation of doers not takers.
 
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Sabre said:
Were your grandparents illegal immigrants? I am willing to bet not... That's the key word here....... Your grandparents were of a different generation, a generation of doers not takers.
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Yes, they're taking out jobs, and our welfare!

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Dittohead not! said:
Yes, they're taking out jobs, and our welfare!

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I know that WAS meant as facetious but you accidently swerved into a truth. Over 10.7 million living on the states dole creates a big burden on those who have to pay for them, housing, food medical all paid for out of the pockets of citizens. Not a bad realization for a lib.
 
Conservative said:
How do you reconcile such a strong economy with the fact that the state ranks at the bottom in quality of life with among the highest taxes and cost of living in the nation? All this great economic news and still the highest number in poverty and homeless in the nation. Cherry pick much data??
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States can't control cost of property. Can't control rich people and foreign investors buying property for cash, fixing them up and jacking up the price. There is limited space in many of those cities, which is why things are so expensive. What can states do to control property values? Yeah, property values are low in rural areas because there are not jobs there, nothing to do, and many people dont' want to live there
 
Sabre said:
I know that WAS meant as facetious but you accidently swerved into a truth. Over 10.7 million living on the states dole creates a big burden on those who have to pay for them, housing, food medical all paid for out of the pockets of citizens. Not a bad realization for a lib.
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If you really believe that there are 10.7 million illegal aliens in California all living on the dole, then you do have a point. The point comes from right wing nutter websites, but it's a point nevertheless. 10.7 million would be more than a fourth of the entire population of the state, BTW.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
States can't control cost of property. Can't control rich people and foreign investors buying property for cash, fixing them up and jacking up the price. There is limited space in many of those cities, which is why things are so expensive. What can states do to control property values? Yeah, property values are low in rural areas because there are not jobs there, nothing to do, and many people dont' want to live there
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OMG, do you know what the costs of living entail? OMG, liberals love having people like you. Jobs are low in rural areas? more liberal propaganda and the entitlement mentality that you apparently have. Poverty is related to cost of living and taxes play an important role
 
MTAtech said:
Like most of our ancestors and my grandparents specifically.

After a generation, their children were doctors, lawyers and business people. Immigrants largely contribute to America.
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Why is this strawman always brought into the debate on immigration. Nobody is tallking about ending immigration, only controlling it.
An overwhelming majority of people support that. So why does this nonsense always pop up?
 
bmr528 said:
Here's a look from the inside out:

Tammy Bruce: California chaos -- Unchallenged liberalism leaves homelessness, drug abuse, garbage in its wake | Fox News From a article by the LA Times no less..

excerpt from the SFGate Website Article.

In San Francisco, about 7,500 people are homeless according to the last count, but this number is elusive and some believe the number is between 10,000 and 12,000. The city spent $275 million on homelessness and supportive housing in the fiscal year that ended at the end of June—that's a $241 million jump from the year before. The city has budgeted $305 million for the 2017-18 fiscal year. Some of this money has gone to building more shelters. In the Civic Center and Dogpatch neighborhoods, two new Navigation Centers—one-stop shelters aimed at moving people into permanent housing —added 500 more beds.

Lets say 12,000 are homeless in San Fran. The city spent 275 million $$ the last fiscal year, That's right at 23,000$$ per homeless person..

And guess what,, There is still 12,000 homeless people in SF. And they are very aggressive pan handlers.

and lets not forget the SF toilet bowl..

https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2017/10/17/san-franciscos-human-poop-map-shows-city-deep-doo-doo/

All this negativity will start to affect tourism, and that is big $$ for the west coast cities..
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So the previous year they spent $34 Million. That's $2,800 per homeless person. Building shelters costs money, and it isn't something that evaporates after it shelters one person. If they spent an additional $500,000,000 over a few years building shelters that house 12,000 homeless each year for say, 25 years ... that's less than $1,000 per homeless person per year.
 
danielpalos said:
Social services cost fourteen an hour, by capital comparison, that is why.

The point is, that cost of living adjustment helps labor, help capitalists also get richer faster.
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Riiight. Increasing the costs without increasing output always makes the owner richer.
( Sm MF head)

where do you come up with this sh$t? Marx?
 
KLATTU said:
Riiight. Increasing the costs without increasing output always makes the owner richer.
( Sm MF head)

where do you come up with this sh$t? Marx?
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lol. Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages. It really is an Individual problem, not an Institutional problem.

I am on the left; I have no problem losing low wage jobs.
 
danielpalos said:
lol. Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages. It really is an Individual problem, not an Institutional problem.

I am on the left; I have no problem losing low wage jobs.
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And do you know why he did that? Because he increased value( aka output) by reducing turnover.
but that what what worked for HIS compnaty-it's not universal . Moreover, that was HIS decision to make ,not some vote pandering liberal politician likely knows nothing about running a businees.( think Obama)
 
KLATTU said:
And do you know why he did that? Because he increased value( aka output) by reducing turnover.
but that what what worked for HIS compnaty-it's not universal . Moreover, that was HIS decision to make ,not some vote pandering liberal politician likely knows nothing about running a businees.( think Obama)
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If Capitalists can Only make it on Cheap Labor; it should be eliminated in favor of automation.
 
danielpalos said:
If Capitalists can Only make it on Cheap Labor; it should be eliminated in favor of automation.
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Yea and who runs the robots? the government?
How many companies woul go under if they had to dramatically increase their labor costs Plenty.
( unless you believe in some type of fantasy where every business owner is drowning in cash)

Then instead of all these people getting paid "'sh!tty" wages , they get paid even sh!ttier wages. As in none. and the Govt has to pick up the whole tab.

Come on ,think things through before you parrot lw groaners.

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KLATTU said:
Yea and who runs the robots? the government?
How many companies woul go under if they had to dramatically increase their labor costs Plenty.
( unless you believe in some type of fantasy where every business owner is drowning in cash)

Then instead of all these people getting paid "'sh!tty" wages , they get paid even sh!ttier wages. As in none. and the Govt has to pick up the whole tab.

Come on ,think things through before you parrot lw groaners.

LAFF
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still with the same canard? we don't care if we lose low wage jobs.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If you really believe that there are 10.7 million illegal aliens in California all living on the dole, then you do have a point. The point comes from right wing nutter websites, but it's a point nevertheless. 10.7 million would be more than a fourth of the entire population of the state, BTW.
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I see you are another one who if they do not like the information - attacks the source. I know it was probably too long for many to read but even a lib should appreciate a non-partisan report -
The Migration Policy Institute is an independent, nonpartisan, nonprofit think tank in Washington, DC dedicated to analysis of the movement of people worldwide.
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Yep, we are about 40m in population right now, so you should realize that one fourth of the state consisting of illegal aliens (from many countries) is contributing factor in the decline.
 
KLATTU said:
Why is this strawman always brought into the debate on immigration. Nobody is tallking about ending immigration, only controlling it.
An overwhelming majority of people support that. So why does this nonsense always pop up?
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Poll: most Americans aren’t noticing a tax cut in their paychecks

A Politico/Morning Consult poll released on Wednesday found that 25 percent of registered voters say they have noticed an increase in their paycheck under the new tax law; 51 percent say they haven’t seen any change, and 24 percent aren’t sure.
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[h=1]Polls: After GOP Tax Bill Went Into Effect, It Became Less Popular[/h]
IIn February, the Trump tax cuts took effect, a large majority of Americans saw their take-home pay increase — and Democrats reassumed a nearly double-digit lead in the generic ballot, the president’s approval rating tumbled, and, according to two new polls, support for the tax law fell.
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Sabre said:
I see you are another one who if they do not like the information - attacks the source. I know it was probably too long for many to read but even a lib should appreciate a non-partisan report -


Yep, we are about 40m in population right now, so you should realize that one fourth of the state consisting of illegal aliens (from many countries) is contributing factor in the decline.
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And the Migration Policy Institute says that over a quarter of the population of California consists of illegal aliens? Really?
 
Dittohead not! said:
And the Migration Policy Institute says that over a quarter of the population of California consists of illegal aliens? Really?
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Well I could not find a left wing report on it, they are busy with their sanctuary cities and state, but I thought you at least gave a cursory glance at the report.

In 2016, the top five U.S. states by number of immigrants were California (10.7 million), Texas (4.7 million), New York (4.5 million), Florida (4.2 million), and New Jersey (2 million).
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You see, the figure is likely low because it is based on 2016. Surely you did not think that figure was achieved in a year or two. I don't know how long you have lived here but I have been here for 54 years and I remember when the weekly illegal boarder crossings from just our southern boarder was between 2,000 and 2,500. But they come across from Canada or enter on visas and never renew or leave the country, they get lost in the wind. Now with California being a sanctuary state they are coming from all over the US, because our libs in government have put out a welcome mat for them to do so. Are were saturated? you bet......
 
MrWonka said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jerry-...llion-budget-surplus-in-california-1515624022

It's been so funny over the years watching conservatives desperately try and claim that California is a disaster thanks to liberal policies. Turns out California did struggle for a while there, but that was under Republican Governor Arnold Schwartzenegger. Today, however, after 7 years of full democratic control California is once again flying high with an incredibly strong economy and more money than they know what to do with.
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How's that mag train coming out. Or the unfunded retirement plans again?
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12...-bury-taxpayers-cities-counties-in-more-debt/
 
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Sabre said:
Well I could not find a left wing report on it, they are busy with their sanctuary cities and state, but I thought you at least gave a cursory glance at the report.



You see, the figure is likely low because it is based on 2016. Surely you did not think that figure was achieved in a year or two. I don't know how long you have lived here but I have been here for 54 years and I remember when the weekly illegal boarder crossings from just our southern boarder was between 2,000 and 2,500. But they come across from Canada or enter on visas and never renew or leave the country, they get lost in the wind. Now with California being a sanctuary state they are coming from all over the US, because our libs in government have put out a welcome mat for them to do so. Are were saturated? you bet......
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I can buy the idea that a quarter of California's population is made up of immigrants.

The claim was that there were that many illegals here. That simply isn't accurate, whether it comes from a "left wing" source or not.
 
Dittohead not! said:
And the Migration Policy Institute says that over a quarter of the population of California consists of illegal aliens? Really?
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All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. With a federal id. all foreign nationals could be treated as documented Persons exercising their natural rights in our Republic.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I can buy the idea that a quarter of California's population is made up of immigrants.

The claim was that there were that many illegals here. That simply isn't accurate, whether it comes from a "left wing" source or not.
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OK, I gave you the sources saying that is true, what are your sources to say "That simply isn't accurate", or is that just your opinion?

From my time living here I can add up just about that total coming across our southern boarder alone, but there are many more that just that, as I clearly stated.

Is it the term illegal you have trouble with? which is a correct term, but perhaps the liberal term "undocumented" would be more to your liking? No matter the term, no matter where from it's the same, illegal.
 
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